possibly laying an egg?

yeah, I was horrifies at first, cause poor fluff has been cut open and whatnot... but yeah, the cut was nicely done and she just looks so hilarious without feathers :P

she's moving around quite normally, climbing and even flying... less than normal, but we will try to get her to calm down and not be as hyperactive as she was till now, as weird as it is but it's the perfect chance and time to do this too...

she did adopt a few new sounds while at the vet that I've never heard before but I don't really mind then as they are quieter than her normal calls for attention :)

she's been mostly eating and sleeping the whole day...
 
Regarding Sunny's diet: have you tried Harrisons "High potency Fine"? These are the pellets Cytrynka likes the most, and these (Harrison's) are recommended by many experienced parronts here. I've tried other Harrison's (high potency coarse, adults) but she likes the HighPotency fine most.
To my untrained eye, the wound seem very nice and clean so hopefully Sunny will fully recover in the blink of an eye.
Does she still take the meds? Do you have to clean her wound with some agents to prevent any infection?
And please do your best to get Sunny's cage "paranoidally clean" during her recovery, to minimize the risk of infection.
 
she's been all cuddles and fluff this morning, is now sliding up and down a piece of cardboard lol :p but she is also trying to get under my shirt (she loved to sleep in there) and I'm not letting her... I just worry a bit that she'll start doing something that might make her do stupid things again


.... and this raises an interesting question: if the "shirt diving" is also dangerous, in terms of hormonal issues/egg laying.
Cytrynka loves diving under my shirt, and keeps sitting there for long time (half an hour, maybe longer, and wants it few times a day).

Do parrots consider such a place also as "Nest"? It's not quiet and calm, but it's dark and warm and cozy. Does it raise a risk of egg-laying?
 
haven't tried Harrisons yet, but now it's on my next order list :)

the vet said that the shots he uses last for a week so she doesn't need any more meds but if there's anything I can always give him a call and take her to get looked at :) also recommended to not let her bathe for a few days... not sure what I should think of that though... anyone knows anything more about this?

well I always try my hardest to keep her out of my shirts, but she is a persistent little bugger... now I'll keep her on a strict 'no hiding under shirt' rule, she hates it but she'll just have to get used to it...
 
Thats the usual advice with any fresh wounds: do not get them wet the first days when the healing-process is still kicking in.


Usually scabs are the perfect way (next to the sutures- that keep the edges of the wound together) to close a wound and pretty much like the intact skin protects against outside 'intruders' (bacteria, fungi etc.).
If you soak the scabs you weaken the cohesion as wel as the defense it brings.
 
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thank you :D

but still I can't wait for the day I can finally let her go under running water to wash her feathers, she stinks of desinfectant (luckily the smell is getting very weak now... I absolutelly hate this smell... and I love sniffing my bird haha so yeah...)

just hope she doesn't go sit in her water bowl or something o_O
 
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thank you :D

but still I can't wait for the day I can finally let her go under running water to wash her feathers, she stinks of desinfectant (luckily the smell is getting very weak now... I absolutelly hate this smell... and I love sniffing my bird haha so yeah...)

just hope she doesn't go sit in her water bowl or something o_O


To quote the classic: "I Love the Smell of Sun Conure in the Morning" :) I also like to sniff my birb, but we're not alone in that ;)



If you're afraid that she will bathe in her bowl, you can temporarily replace the water bowl with the bird's water dispenser.
 
Can you please update us on how is your Sunny recovering after the surgery? I can't see any worrisome posts, so assume she's sound?
 
Sunny is doing fine, I still can't believe how quickly she bounced back after something huge like this... she's still napping quite more than she normally was and also eating like a pig (thus pooping the whole house full), but she's still healing and it will take a few more weeks till she really does heal fully... we almost have out hyperactive ball of diva back haha, every day she has more energy and is more adventurous again (so more demanding lol)

the stitches look good but need to stay in for a few more days, I'll betaking her for a check-up next week :) in mid to end february she's also getting the Suprelorin implants to shut down her hormones, it maybe seem s a bit of an overkill after just one egg, but she had to have a surgery and I am NOT risking it again!

we're doing everything that we can to prevent any further hormonal behaviour... absolutelly no petting apart from the head and neck, no hiding anywhere, even my shirts (she loved to sleep in there and let me cary her around while looking out at the neckline... though she did manage to sneak in there today, oh man did she look victorious lol), not lertting her sit under arms or whatever similar... she is getting veggies every day and I got her a cuttlebone, ordered natural pellets and a mineral block too so I can do less of those colourfull pellets... no more sleeping hut, no paper to shred, no cardboard in any form...

it's hard not to have poke her or pet her all the time, but I don't care... mum is still sulking and asking things over and over and over and over again... cause you know ''but she looks soooooo cute peeping out of her hut, why are you cruel'', so yeah, it's been harder retraining mum than it was the bird :31:

EllenD has been a huge help this week thank you so so so much :heart: I know I kind of flooded your inbox and you had your own birdies to take care off, sorry :40:
also thank you everyone who commented for the huge support and warm thoughts, it was so very much easier to go through this with people who understand :orange:
 
No problem, I'm just glad this had a happy ending and she's doing so well. And you're committed to keeping her healthy and happy and doing everything you need to do to keep this from happening again...

I forgot to answer one of your questions in a PM, about how long they usually have to be on the hormone-therapy to keep them from producing more Follicles/Eggs...That's a tough question to answer, because each bird is different, and sometimes there is no rhyme or reason as to why a bird suddenly starts or stops producing eggs...Your Sunny is a great example of this, as you said she hadn't laid an egg in her first 7 years of life, and you never had the "Happy Hut" cause any hormonal-behavior before. Then suddenly BAM!!!, a huge egg that gets stuck in her Oviduct...Although the field of Avian Behavioral Medicine has advanced leaps and bounds in the last decade and we are starting to better understand why captive parrots display Feather-Destructive Behaviors, Self-Mutilation, chronic hormonal-behaviors, chronic Follicle and Egg production, etc., there is still not an "overall understanding" or an "overall remedy" that will help ALL birds. It's a case-by-case basis, and you kind of have to take your cues from each individual bird and go from there...

**What I can tell you is that some females birds NEVER lay an egg or really display any hormonal-behaviors at all, regardless of external-stimuli being all over the place...BUT, what I can tell you is true in probably 100% of the female birds I've seen is that once they do display hormonal-behavior or lay their first egg, it's then that they typically never stop again without medical and behavioral/environmental intervention...So while your Sunny was fine with her "Happy Hut" and it didn't cause any issues for the first 7-years of her life, now that she has started producing Follicles and Eggs and has started displaying hormonal-behavior, it's now extremely important that the "Hut" is permanently gone, along with all other external-stimuli that induce hormonal-behavior...So all of the steps that you're taking now to better her diet, her environment, and to remove any and all external stimuli that could trigger her reproductive system to remain active are all very necessary.

I kind of have a theory about female birds and their hormones/egg production just based on what I've seen with so many different female birds/parrots in the Rescue. Observing them all and not knowing any of them personally or knowing anything about their attitudes, tendencies, behaviors, etc. makes me very non-biased and I have no preconceived notions about them...And what I think is that a female bird's reproductive system can lay dormant for a very long time, and then SOMETHING triggers it to become active. And then once a female bird's reproductive system becomes active, it's going to stay active (or "switched-on") until it's "switched-off"...And while it's "switched-on", all of the external stimuli, food, and behaviors that we commonly say "cause hormonal behavior" will all continue to do so, even if they never did before their reproductive system was "switched-on"...And if you're lucky enough to some day in the future get their reproductive system to "switch-off", then it will stay off again until whatever it is that "switched it on" happens again...And while it's "switched-off" all of those common, external stimuli that we say influence hormonal behavior, such as nests, huts, tents (small, dark places), warm, mushy foods, being off of a "Natural Light Schedule", petting them under the wings and on their bellies/back, etc. will NOT cause any type of hormonal behavior, not until their reproductive system is again "switched back on", if that ever happens again...Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't...And of course the key to this whole thing is figuring out what the hell it is that causes their reproductive systems to be "switched on and off"...I guess the question really is "Where is the reproductive system's switch?", and the answer to that is going to be unique to each individual bird. That's what we need figure out...

And this theory is completely supported by both the sex-hormone levels and the patterns in which they rise and fall when tested repetitively, and most-of-all supported by their regular, plain-film X-Rays...I forgot to ask you about Sunny's X-Rays and whether or not they indicated that her reproductive system is overactive right now or not...If a female bird's reproductive system is extremely active, their bones actually look like they are literally "glowing" on a regular X-Ray. You can tell right away if the bird is "switched-on" or not by looking at their X-Ray.

Anyway, that's just my theory. As far as answering your question about the Deslorelin/Suprelorelin Implants, you're correct that it usually takes about a month after they are implanted for you to actually see a difference in their behaviors because they it's at that point that they completely "switch-off" her reproductive system, and then probably another month after that for ALL of the sex-hormones that were already released into her body to dissipate so she has none at all in her system. But you should notice a difference in her behavior after about a month of having the implants in. For example, after a month of having the implants in she may stop trying to get under your shirt...For a lot of hormonal female birds, after the first month any aggression/biting they have been showing stops, any masturbating stops, any plucking around their vents and on their abdomen stops, etc.

****As far as whether or not she'll need to be on the hormone therapy for the rest of her life or not is just dependent on her. What is very important is that her living environment is changed, her diet is changed, the way she's interacted with/handled/petted changes, etc. and that she lives that way, without any external, dietary, or behavioral stimuli for quite a while BEFORE you ever think about stopping the implants. That way if and when you do decide to stop the implants, there will be nothing in her life or environment that will cause her reproductive system to be "switched-on" again. I have not been using the Deslorelin/Suprelorelin implants long enough that I've ever taken a bird off of them before, so I can't really give you any type of percentages of how many birds start being hormonal again after they come-off the implants. They just haven't been around/been used in birds for that long a period of time to be able to know that yet. With the Depot Provera and the Lupron injections, they never really worked that well to begin with, so I would take any of the published data about their outcomes with a grain of salt. They just do not work well, at least not in birds.
 
yeah, the sudden switch is what confuses me... it's not that she has never been hormonal, she did have her month twice a year, but it has never been this bad and the hut was never a problem, she was never territorial, never plucked (not even this time), never regurgitated... she was more nippy, bit sometimes and just more hyperactive and screamed more and louder... till now she also never masturbated on anyone or anything... till this december... ugh...

right now she seems to have calmed down, isn't trying to hide under things, doesn't bite at all, no head-down-butt-up behavour... but yeah, she's still healing and had quite a way to go till fully healed...

EllenD, what dosage implants do you normally use? the 4.7 are said to work sooner and last less, the 9.4 work a bit slower in the beginning and work for a longer period, as far as I managed to read on a few sites... do you have experiences in both? how many times per year do you use them on the birds yourself?

I did post an x-ray pic a page back or so, but it was a pic taken of the computer screen, no idea if it blurs the image a bit, but are you able to see from that?


right now she's sitting on my head and eating a Nutriberry... it will be very fun to get all that out of my hair :34: :36:
 
update:

we were at the vet again today... he let the stitches in cause they should fall out in a few days,, also when he had her in the towel on her back, she kicked and wiggled like crazy so he couldn't really do much, I just worry a bit that he might have grabbed her neck a bit too much, she has been a bit hoarse since we got back home... told me there was no second egg and that the wound healed nicely...

when he let her go she hid under my neck and stuck to me like glue, could barely get her off to stuff her back into the travel cage... she's also been sticking like glue to me since we got back home... no idea what's up with that... :confused:
 
Aww she wants mommy to reassure her. Glad she feels better and no more eggs. Vet visits no fun for anyone!!
 
I'm pretty sure the vet knows how can he hold your conure to not hurt her. He have already proven his experience with the flawless surgery.
And about Sunny sticking to you.. you've heard the name "Velcro bird"? She's a Conure. Cytrynka always sticks to me like glue, and I take it for granted, as part of her Conure-self. I love her for that!
 
well she was kicking and moving like crazy though.... but I think I'm just a bit too panicky about the whole thing and the bird and.... ugh... don't mind me too much, I'll see shadows everywhere till I know she has the second dose of those implants in and they work like they need to...

she did not stick to me like this for not even 5 minutes in the last 2 weeks so it just seemed a bit weird... but I guess I just got used to her doing things on her own now and not being glued to me all the time like she used to before this whole thing... I'm aware I have a conure, no worries :p

I did hear about Velcro birds, but I can't say I understand the word fully...

today was so tiring for her, she begged to go to sleep an hour earlier than normal and we already started putting her to bed a whole hour earlier than before... poor baby, 2 hours in the car an 1 hour at the vet is so hard... :D
 
"Velcro bird" = sticks to you like the "velcro tape":


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As for the kicking and moving like crazy -- that's normal. She's healthy and energetic, so she does not like to be crimped by a stranger.


She's a Conure, she loves you so she wants to be with you all the time, as close as possible. You two have a great bond!
 
oooooh ,that thing is a velcto tape!!! I never knew the english word, I don't even know the propper word in my own language, we just call it hedgehog tape :D

thanks :heart: she better be healthy from now on... ;)
 
"Velcro bird" = sticks to you like the "velcro tape":


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As for the kicking and moving like crazy -- that's normal. She's healthy and energetic, so she does not like to be crimped by a stranger.


She's a Conure, she loves you so she wants to be with you all the time, as close as possible. You two have a great bond!

Laughing laughing at your pictures too funny! My GCC Ta-dah is a Velcro bird, or a symbiotic parasite lol!!
 
stranger: ''So what kind of pet do you have?''
me: ''oh, a fluffy symbiotic parasite. Her name is Sunny, she loves banana and lives in my shirt.''
:D :D

ahahahahahahahaha :18:
 
stranger: ''So what kind of pet do you have?''
me: ''oh, a fluffy symbiotic parasite. Her name is Sunny, she loves banana and lives in my shirt.''


Don't forget to add to the stranger, that it can bite hard if in bad mood! :D
 

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