possibly laying an egg?

[EllenD]

Yes, her cage looks great. And putting the perch in the same spot as the "hut" was for her to sleep on is a very good idea, all of my birds have a particular spot that they always sleep on, even in their small sleeping-cages they always sleep in one, particular spot. She'll be just fine without the "hut", and so much better-off. Don't be surprised if you see a very good change in her hormonal-activity as well after a time; it's amazing how many people spend months to years actually battling their bird's hormones, not understanding why they are always aggressive or why their females are always broody and laying eggs year-round, they try everything under the sun that they can think of and find online to try and nothing works...Then they remove the "hut" or the tent or the bed or the box that has been in their cage all along and within a month or so "BAM!", the egg-laying and/or the aggression stops. It's just how birds think: Small, Dark, Warm place=NEST!

I'm glad you removed the Hut, it's just not worth the risk at all, not in any way.

 

[SunnyGirl]

we never really had any problem and she was never so hormonal as this time... in all 7 years... but yeah, apparently it's time to be a bit stricter about s few things so that we have a healthy fluff and a less anxious me at home....

my mum is mad that I removed the hut... I'm still confused about it, I admit, but after reading about it it just had to be done... my mum is going on and on about where the bird is going to sleep now and how I could be so mean and remove it... oh man... this is worse than fighting over homework when I was 12

 

[Aratingettar]

my mum is mad that I removed the hut... I'm still confused about it, I admit, but after reading about it it just had to be done... my mum is going on and on about where the bird is going to sleep now and how I could be so mean and remove it... oh man... this is worse than fighting over homework when I was 12

Don't be confused. After Cytrynka used to sleep in her happy hut for almost 1,5years, I also considered taking it away as barbaric. She loved it, and you could see she was happy there. It was fun to see her lurking from inside
But after I've learned the risks involved, I took it away over day. Cytrynka lives in an identical cage as Sunny does, and have her favourite perch running at the top above doors, from front to rear part. She sleeps happily on that perch, and have never complained about removing the hut.
So just explain to your mum that Sunny will happily sleep on her favourite perch, just like millions of other parrots do (and few thousands of Sun Conures).
You're not mean to Sunny, you do what's best for her because you love her so much, she's everything for you. And taking away this dangerous hut is an easy step that will keep Sunny healthier!

 

[SunnyGirl]

I'm more confused about what could all go wrong and about the whole lawsuit and related things, I didn't realize it was such a big thing... also about how we somehow automatically pugh our human behaviour or things we're used to do onto our pets as in I'm used to sleep in a bed so she got a hut to lay in when birds naturally sleep up in a tree and deffinitelly not sideways on their wing like my fluff gotused to doing... also yes the lurking from the hut is just too adorable


this si the whole cage set up, but most of the time I'm her favourite perch and toy anyway, she's out of the cage a lot:

I also got a cardboard box, took out one side of it and placed a towel on the 'floor', will add paper towels on top of that and her food and water bowls and place it onto the cage floor so she won't have to climb till she feels like she can do it... now to get the fluff to want to eat more veggies too...

 

[ChristaNL]

Just tell your mum that to a parrot a snuggelhut is a sex-toy and she will shut up


(parents never want their kids using sex in a sentence for some obscure reason)

LOL or let her read this; people think I am a barbarian anyway, I do not mind

 

[SunnyGirl]

you brute well I'm not that young anymore, but to her it's like I'm still 12... but every mom is the same on this probably :18:

well I did explain how and why and she'll just have to go with it, understanding it or not...

well most of this probably comes from always having budgies (and bunnies, guineapigs,...) and Sunny being the first 'big bird' for us so naturally so many things are very different... so... many... things... to learn...

 

[ChristaNL]

Oh yea, that will never change: my sister has a hubby and 4 children and my mother still likes to pretend sis has never even heard of sex ...


Uhuh, the learning about parrots never ends (it is part of their charm / for me anyway).
But you really are doing amazing!

 

[Laurasea]

You could try useing a grass woven Matt, and kind of hang it in front of the perch. Or try hanging toys and things to give visual privacy to her sleep corner. When does she come home?

 

[SunnyGirl]

I can relate no kids but constantly having to tell her when I'll be home and where I'm going... now try to imagine how it is in our home with me, my mum and her father (3 generations in one appartement...) AND the bird crazy I tell you, pure crazy...

yup, but now I wish that the learning part will turn less stressfull and more fun again, had enough worry and tears for the next 20 years, at least...

 

[SunnyGirl]

whoopsie, double post...

 

[SunnyGirl]

You could try useing a grass woven Matt, and kind of hang it in front of the perch. Or try hanging toys and things to give visual privacy to her sleep corner. When does she come home?

well if I can find one of those here... if not maybe ordering online, hate the shipping fees though...

hopefully tomorrow afternoon... the vet wanted to hold her for another night to be sure and I need to call again tomorrow morning... I can't wait to go get her!!! but I'm a bit unsure of how to handle her with the wound and all... she's normally very hyperactive and always climbing, flying, running around and we're used to just grab her like an apple (she loves it actually) and carry her around...

 

[noodles123]

I'm more confused about what could all go wrong and about the whole lawsuit and related things, I didn't realize it was such a big thing... also about how we somehow automatically pugh our human behaviour or things we're used to do onto our pets as in I'm used to sleep in a bed so she got a hut to lay in when birds naturally sleep up in a tree and deffinitelly not sideways on their wing like my fluff gotused to doing... also yes the lurking from the hut is just too adorable


this si the whole cage set up, but most of the time I'm her favourite perch and toy anyway, she's out of the cage a lot:

I also got a cardboard box, took out one side of it and placed a towel on the 'floor', will add paper towels on top of that and her food and water bowls and place it onto the cage floor so she won't have to climb till she feels like she can do it... now to get the fluff to want to eat more veggies too...

EDIT: I wrote this before I knew about the surgery ---didn't see it (the box) was going to be just walls w/ no ceiling. Sorry!
The cage looks good overall---- seriously though:
You do not want to give her ANY cave-like structures. No cardboard boxes...no underneath furniture...no full cuddles...no blankets...no pillows..no tents/huts/hollow...not even piles of crumbled paper---shadowy spaces=bad. The cardboard box that you mentioned is safer than the hut in terms of choking/strangulation/intestinal issues but just as dangerous hormonally (hormonal birds can get egg-bound (which can lead to prolapse of the cloaca, expensive surgery and/or death). A hormonal bird may start plucking, scream more, self-mutilate, and attack other people and/or birds---PS-egg-binding is the result of an egg forming internally, which cannot be passed- it is more common than one would think). You may not think your bird is hormonal, but the signs are often very subtle and just because you haven't seen the consequences of a sexually frustrated/"rejected"/spurned bird, doesn't mean they won't appear one day (of times in relation to the person they love most---you don't want them to misunderstand your relationship). That is why it's so important to do everything you can to minimize the triggers.

 

[SunnyGirl]

it was meant for just the few days till she is back to normal so she doesn't climb as her cage is a tall one... and it does not even have a top so nothing cave like at all, just the bottom and 3 sides... I just don't feel comfortable with her needing to climb up and down the whole cage just 2 days after a freaking surgery... so please, you got any other ideas?

 

[noodles123]

it was meant for just the few days till she is back to normal so she doesn't climb as her cage is a tall one... and it does not even have a top so nothing cave like at all, just the bottom and 3 sides... I just don't feel comfortable with her needing to climb up and down the whole cage just 2 days after a freaking surgery... so please, you got any other ideas?

I misunderstood- I thought this was a long term thing- I only read back over the the last couple pages, so I missed that--I also thought that the box would have a roof (which was my main issue). Let me think and if I come up with anything... Can you just put a perch like an inch above the ground or even level with the ground? Why are you wanting the box exactly? Also, you could just get those screw in food cups and put them on the wall of the cage floor. If you are worried she will feel vulnerable, could you place the cage on a table and lock the wheels so that she feels farther off the ground? It is going to be hard to keep a box/towel clean--if the grate were open, it would keep her out of the way of her poop etc., unless the vet recommended that you do it with the towel/box (then follow his/her advice).

 

[SunnyGirl]

I should probably take a photo of it, might help... the thing is, the cage has these bars above the drawer with the newspapers (you know, where the poop goes heh) and the bars of the thing are not really for for her small feet, she does go down there sometimes and it isn't easy for her to walk on it much less sleep or stand for longer on those... so I wanted to make it easier and just put something there for her to walk on it or something... you know, flat and no holes... make her have an easier access to food and water till she can climb well again and with less pain...

put the cage on the table? the cage is almost as tall as I am, I can't even fit it through the door properly, how do I tie it to the table and sadly I don't just have any random screw-in food cups at home... I'd love to have the whole pet store of toys and cage accessories at home, but sadly that is not possible... this country does not make things easy for parrot owners, I need to order almost everything online and delivery can be a week (if I'm lucky) or more... I will put a perch just above the ground though...

 

[noodles123]

I see what you mean now...Hmm...I didn't know that the grate had wide spacing...Okay---one other possibility---does she have a travel cage that she tolerates and could she possibly spend the first few nights in there on the ground (assuming bar spacing of the grate is better in that one)? If it stresses her out too much, then that could be bad. Edit- WOULD be bad. Stress and healing=enemies.

Will the box cover the entire cage floor so that she cant stumble out of it?
LONG TERM: I wonder if you could get a grate for the cage that has better spacing---That is a slide-out grate, right? It looks like a smaller version of the one I have for my cockatoo. If so, the very bottom tray and the slotted grate should pull out separately (so maybe they sell grates with closer wires that you could use in its place).

For now, I suppose you could just remove the grate entirely, but then the poop is still going to get all over and I don't know if there would be sharp edges or gaps left behind if the grate is removed...I am guessing the floor would also be slick to walk on if it was just powder-coated metal, so....hmm...tough---how does she do on smooth surfaces like tables? If she handles it, then it could work (barring any gaps/problematic edges)...Do you think she will want to climb down? A perch that is low to the ground and crosses the full cage could allow her to get to what she wants without jumping or climbing a ton---again, I am not sure how incapacitated she was by this whole ordeal, so I am just throwing things out there. I would hate to tell you the wrong thing and then have her fall or something.

 

[noodles123]

If you bird is NOT a chewer, you might be able to rig the food cups to the side using something like a zip-tie (not sure how toxic those would be if chewed, but I have heard of people using them).


You might be able to elevate the cage with something like phone-books, bricks, cinder-blocks etc...You could likely remove the wheels to keep it from rolling (if you chose to do that).

 

[SunnyGirl]

travel cage - yes.... tolerate - not really... also it's small and dark and just no...

buying another grate is like buying a unicorn... I know it probably sounds stupid or silly or as an excuse to most people, but it really is very hard to get anything for a parrot around here... I wish it was different and birds were more common pets, yet sadly we're not there yet...

I have not seen her after the surgery yet, all I have is the ''she's doing fine'' from the vet... I'll hopefully see her tomorrow and will be able to see for myself how well she is feeling, how much she can move around and all this... I'm just happy she made it and is alive and can be home soon...

 

[noodles123]

I think getting a grate would even be tough in the US, but you might be able to get one (as that cage looks a lot like mine and I think they may various bar widths for many sizes---at least somewhere in the world). I am not saying that you will be able to get one soon---but just maybe in the next year or so lol.

I hope she does well too! I am so glad you were smart enough to notice the issues and deal with them right away---very scary.

Sorry I couldn't help more!

 

[SunnyGirl]

oh well.... maybe buy a new cage before I only get the grate, sounds a better idea...

that bird is my life, she is my everything, I can't just not notice when she does something out of character, it freaks me out... for once I am happy I panicked and ''overreacted''... going through my own knee injury, operation and rehabilitation (which took 2 years form injury to operation due to some very unfortunate circumstances and some stupid doctors and months of aftercare) seems like a walk in the park easy compared to this week...