Help cleo dying. Blizzard = no vet

[veimar]

Call Scott McDonald at ***-***-****! (Mod edit: Such personal info can't be displayed on the open forum. I will forward the info via pm. <Anansi>) That's his cell phone, and if he doesn't answer he calls back soon. He gave invaluable advice with Parry when he had his toe injury. Maybe he could help you with advice! He is one of the best avian vets in the States, and he is a very nice man.

 

[Hawk]

Thanks Hawk. This is such a horrible situation.

It really is a horrible situation and to be snowed in too....She's also showing classic signs or 2 other symptoms says my wife. One is toxic shock of something she may have ingested, second is merks which makes them weak and loses leg function. I hope it's not that. Bottom line she needs a good vet asap.

 

[Taw5106]

Given the circumstances with the weather, technology available (cameras, Skype, FaceTime etc) and the urgency of this, would a vet be willing to assess and diagnose via these technologies? That's a question for your wife. [emoji12] I am like a dog with a bone to fix things but living creatures are so different and fragile.

 

[Terry57]

Valerie, I am so sorry for what Cleo and you are going through. And of course, your area had to be hit with the blizzard right now
I have had a few finches that were eggbound, and I put them in the bathroom like you have been doing with the steam on...I left their hospital cage in there, and kept going in and turning the shower on hot to build up more steam and keep the bathroom humid and warm, with the door closed. I also had a heating pad under the cage on low. The warm baths also helped some of mine, as well as the oil on the vent.
I am praying that she passes he egg soon, my heart is breaking for you.

 

[Hawk]

It wouldn't hurt, but no vet will base the livelihood of the bird without up close and handling of the bird. That being said, my wife has the following Questions for Rose.... and she may beable to give advice on what to do in mean time.

1) is there any discharge from the eyes/Beak area?

2) Has it pooped in last 24 hours?, if so is the poop normal?
If it has not pooped, chances are there's an obstruction
and since a bird can not vomit, it can only pass it, and causes
the stomach area near vent to seem hard. Resembles an egg bound.
That's why you should never attempt to break an egg unless it's
positive this is the cause. Check consistency of poop and color.

Keep bird on a warm pad, water bottle, bean bag that's covered in a towel.

Do not attempt to feed the bird if there is an obstruction. Instead, use home made
electrolyte solution in a dropper or plastic syringe into beak area a drop at a time.
Make sure you do this every half hour for 2 hours then every hour afterwards.
Exact mixture can be found online.

Call out of area vet if none available in area.

 

[Taw5106]

Hawk thank you to your wife and you for this. Personally I appreciate your wife responding and giving guidance and you for communicating that. I know that this is a VERY sticky situation.

Rose, is she being kept warm, constant heat regardless of the heat source?

 

[Hawk]

My heart is breaking for you and Cleo. At this point I truly wish she would stop suffering (I mean this in the most humane way possible).

No I feel the same, it hurts to watch her like this, I only hope if she is going that route definitely then it goes quickly.., or quicker, than this. I just feel bad, im trying everything I can but its agonizing and beyond reminiscent of Tiki's slow death too

My wife (Vet Assistant-Surgery)has the following Questions for Rose.... and she may beable to give advice on what to do in mean time.

1) is there any discharge from the eyes/Beak area?

2) Has it pooped in last 24 hours?, if so is the poop normal?
If it has not pooped, chances are there's an obstruction
and since a bird can not vomit, it can only pass it, and causes
the stomach area near vent to seem hard. Resembles an egg bound.
That's why you should never attempt to break an egg unless it's
positive this is the cause. Check consistency of poop and color.

Keep bird on a warm pad, water bottle, bean bag that's covered in a towel.

Do not attempt to feed the bird if there is an obstruction. Instead, use home made
electrolyte solution in a dropper or plastic syringe into beak area a drop at a time.
Make sure you do this every half hour for 2 hours then every hour afterwards.
Exact mixture can be found online.

 

[RavensGryf]

Valerie, I just want to say I'm still here too.. no advice to offer, but prayers and support to you. I am really hoping Cleo miraculously pulls through at this point. There has been some great advice given, and I know you are doing everything you can do now.

 

[RainbowRose]

Thanks guys

There is no discharge from her eyes or nose. She looks completely normal minus the bloated tummy, being lethargic and leg paralysis. She is pooping and it looks normal to me but just not as frequent I think because she has no appetite. She won't eat and I'm not forcing her, but it's there. But I checked her vent and it's clean and nothing blocking it and I put in some olive oil. I try to syringe water to her here and there cuz she won't get up to drink either. She is still in the blanket lined box wrapped in blanket and towel to keep warm with heat on too.

 

[veimar]

Hey Valerie, did you try calling Dr. McDonald?

 

[Taw5106]

I don't know if you called him but the worst he could say is no. So if you haven't, give him a call, please!

 

[veimar]

Call Scott McDonald at ***-***-****! (Mod edit: Such personal info can't be displayed on the open forum. I will forward the info via pm. <Anansi>) That's his cell phone, and if he doesn't answer he calls back soon. He gave invaluable advice with Parry when he had his toe injury. Maybe he could help you with advice! He is one of the best avian vets in the States, and he is a very nice man.

That's not his personal phone - it's listed on his website! I just posted it here so Valerie wouldn't have to waste her time searching. Sorry for confusion!

 

[Anansi]

Call Scott McDonald at ***-***-****! (Mod edit: Such personal info can't be displayed on the open forum. I will forward the info via pm. <Anansi>) That's his cell phone, and if he doesn't answer he calls back soon. He gave invaluable advice with Parry when he had his toe injury. Maybe he could help you with advice! He is one of the best avian vets in the States, and he is a very nice man.

That's not his personal phone - it's listed on his website! I just posted it here so Valerie wouldn't have to waste her time searching. Sorry for confusion!

Oh, okay. No worries. I just sent her the pm with the number, anyway. It's a good idea. I just hope he's willing to help over the phone.

 

[RainbowRose]

I want to call but the number disappeared is he a vet located in Illinois?? I found a website with a Scott McDonald saying that

 

[RainbowRose]

No answer, I left a voicemail

 

[Anansi]

Sorry, Valerie. Veimar informed me that the # is actually available on the vet's website and therefore public domain. Here it is: 630-240-2751. I'd sent you a pm, but somehow the cut and paste didn't take.

On the other hand, it turns out that Animal Medical Center is open 24 hours in Manhattan. I called and they said that they have emergency staff on hand to help with any emergency. Unfortunately, their avian vets are not in, today, but their emergency veterinary docs are purportedly experienced in avian emergency procedures. Any port in a storm, right?

Their # is 212-838-8100 and they are located at 510 East 62nd Street.

 

[veimar]

He will call you back. He lives in Illinois but travels all over the country. I left a desperate voicemail for him around 10pm, and he called me back very early when I was still asleep. I returned his call and we talked about 15 min. He was wonderful and so willing to help. I used all of his advice and it worked out great. Hope you get help from him. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[RainbowRose]

Thank you so much guys, I will keep you guys updated if anything new happens right now cleo wanted to come out of her box she keeps trying to fly but her feet are paralyzed so she just flips onto the ground when she lands, I'm trying not to let her do this I don't want her flying but I think since she woke up she is trying to move and can't. She won't eat still. Her fav foods I put right up to her beak and she doesn't respond to it :'(

 

[RavensGryf]

Sounds like a good thing that she's trying to move? She needs to eat. Can you feed her? Maybe crush up some pellets into sort of a paste and fees by dropper or syringe?

 

[miloslave]

On the other hand, it turns out that Animal Medical Center is open 24 hours in Manhattan. I called and they said that they have emergency staff on hand to help with any emergency.

This is fantastic news! Please get there as soon as you can. I have been praying the whole time that there would be someone who can help!