Help! Is my IRN sick?

[wrench13]

Prayers went out for your IRN, as Scott said, where there is life there is hope.

AL

 

[ihijazi]

Thank you, my friends.

This morning, an hour ago, my little friend passed away in my hands. I woke up to him spreading his wings on the preach, and hanging with his beak to with one of its toys. I immediately knew it was his last few minutes. I took him outside, kept him in my hand, and he started to take his breath slower and slower, and closing his eyes until he passed away.

RIP little Sam, I know you're in a better place now, and all the pain you went through has came to an end.

Issam

 

[itchyfeet]

Oh I'm so so sorry Thinking of you x

 

[Flboy]

I am so sorry!

 

[Scott]

My deepest condolences for your loss of Little Sam. I am so sorry your efforts and his determination came to a final loving embrace.

You did everything possible, yet sometimes we can never know the obstacles our feathered friends confront. I wish you comfort and peace for your heart.

 

[Kentuckienne]

Oh, I am so sorry for your loss. You did so much to save this little guy, but it is not always in our hands. Thank you for the love you brought into the world with your kind actions.

 

[SilverSage]

My heart breaks with you. Thank you for giving this little one the care he deserved.


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[EllenD]

Oh that's terrible, I'm so, so, so sorry...What a horrible experience for you with your first baby bird. I assure you this is not typical at all. I can't imagine what that must have been like for you and for him. You're in my thoughts.

It may not be the right time for this, but I'm so angry right now at your breeder that I could get on a plane and fly to Dubai...As I said this is not typical, and the fact that your baby was this ill is proof he was very sick when you first got him, most likely with aspergillus, and the other birds at your breeder are sick and dying/have already died as well. I hope you call them immediately and tell them that your baby passed from aspergillus, and that he was most definitely sick when you brought him home as the disease was obviously in it's end stages. Tell them how much money you spent on 3 different vets but because the disease was so advanced your baby died anyway. They should at the very least refund your money or give you another baby, though I know that isn't the point.

My heart also breaks for all of those other birds that breeder has, you know they were lying to you when they told you all the other birds were fine, aspergillus is highly contagious.

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[SilverSage]

I'm with Ellen on this one as well. As a breeder myself I can tell you without a doubt that your breeder behaved inexcusably toward both you and your baby. Had you contacted me with the same situation (me having sold a bird so obviously ill and me having somehow missed it) I would have immediately offered to refund your price, taken the bird back, taken it to the vet MYSELF and taken immediate action to diagnose and treat my other birds as well as contacting others with babies from me at that time. If you hadn't wanted to part with the bird, I would have still paid all the vet bills, asked to accompany you to the vet, and walked with you every step. I would do this because I care about the babies I produce. While my heart bleeds for you, my blood boils at the so called breeder who didn't care that your baby suffered.


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[ihijazi]

I did file a complain to the authorities. At least the place will get inspected, that's for sure.

This is not my first bird, I owned budgies and coackatiels before. I weaned and tamed them. I've seen two of them pass away. This is the 3rd. I'm a long-life bird lover, and that won't stop

I'll be welcome a new IRN soon, will keep you posted!

Thanks for your long-time support and help.

 

[Scott]

Thank you for caring on so many levels. When the time is right another bird will be winging its way into your heart. We will be eagerly awaiting to hear some good news from you.

 

[Rival_of_the_Rickeybird]

Sincere condolences. I would like very much to punch the breeder in the nose. Very sorry for your loss.

 

[EllenD]

I'm with Ellen on this one as well. As a breeder myself I can tell you without a doubt that your breeder behaved inexcusably toward both you and your baby. Had you contacted me with the same situation (me having sold a bird so obviously ill and me having somehow missed it) I would have immediately offered to refund your price, taken the bird back, taken it to the vet MYSELF and taken immediate action to diagnose and treat my other birds as well as contacting others with babies from me at that time. If you hadn't wanted to part with the bird, I would have still paid all the vet bills, asked to accompany you to the vet, and walked with you every step. I would do this because I care about the babies I produce. While my heart bleeds for you, my blood boils at the so called breeder who didn't care that your baby suffered.


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Exactly SilverSage. I bred English and American budgies for 16 years and thank God I only ever had this happen one time and the baby did not die. But within 2 days of taking the baby budgie home the new owner called me (as I always have buyers my card with my cell phone number, email address, AND THE NUMBERS FOR MY OWN PERSONAL AVIAN VET, HIS EMERGENCY NUMBER, AND THE LOCAL 24-HOUR ANIMAL HOSPITAL. They called me as soon as they noticed the baby was only sleeping, nothing more. He had suddenly stopped eating and drinking, and he was fluffed up and sleeping. I actually left work early that day after calling my avian vet for them, and I met them at my avian vet's office at 4:00. He got us right in, and as the buyer had never owned a bird before I explained everything he was doing and saying to them. The difference is that I took all of the baby budgies I raised and sold to my avian vet TWICE PRIOR TO SELLING THEM, once when they were 6 weeks for fecal smears and crop smears, and then again right after they all weaned and fledged and right before they went to their new homes. If any of them tested positive for anything they didn't go home until they were clear and I paid for and executed their care. So this little guy had checked out fine at both appointments, but he was definitely sick after going home. Sometimes the stress of them being separated from their siblings and from the breeder and going to a new home with new people can lower their immune response and any little infections they would typically fight off themselves can escalate. My vet did full testing including blood work, fecal smears, a crop flush/smear, and he was hospitalized in an incubator and given oxygen and antibiotic and antifungal injections for 4 days. He survived and I had a $1,500 bill, but this is the risk you run as a breeder...THE REASON IT COST ME $1,500? BECAUSE I CALLED EVERY BUYER OF A BABY FROM THAT CLUTCH (7), TOLD THEM THAT ONE WAS VERY ILL, AND MET THEM ALL AT MY AVIAN VET'S OFFICE FOR SMEARS AND PROFILACTIC MEDICATIONS. That's just what you do.

Your breeder has not only showed no concern or interest in your baby or what you both were going through and paying for, but I'm 99.9% sure they lied to you when they said all the other siblings of your bird were fine as well as their own birds. I'm guessing your breeder never even called any of the other buyers of that clutch to tell them that one of them was gravely ill. Aspergillus is extremely contagious and your bird was in an advanced stage of the illness if he died that quickly, which means he was actively ill before he ever went home with you, along with his siblings and any other babies or breeders he had contact with or was kept with.

Which leads me to the other thing I used to do which was have my breeding room and nursery/feeding rooms cultured every year (I believe I did it every 6 months for quite a while after that baby got sick) and I had my certificate posted on the outside of the doors.

I'm concerned about the other buyers of his siblings not being informed so they can get early treatment or at least know what to treat their birds for right away to prevent more deaths. I'm also concerned that you were treated so poorly that this breeder should close up shop. If you were in the U.S. I'd report them, Dubai may not have an authoritative body for bird breeders though.

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[EllenD]

I'm glad you'll be getting another baby IRN, but I'm hoping you have found a different breeder?

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[GaleriaGila]

Horrible.
I am so sorry/furious/sorry/furious...
What a BEAUTIFUL little angel. Yes, returned now to the embrace of eternity.

 

[SilverSage]

Exactly Ellen! My name is Dani btw. When people tell me they want to breed birds one of the things I bring up is the amount of money you can suddenly need to spend on babies if something goes wrong even once they are out of your care!


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[ihijazi]

I'm glad you'll be getting another baby IRN, but I'm hoping you have found a different breeder?

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I'm in the search, but I'm afraid I won't find a reliable one. I might just go to a pet shop and get an old one (1-2 years). It'd be wild, and much harder to tame though...

 

[ihijazi]

I'm with Ellen on this one as well. As a breeder myself I can tell you without a doubt that your breeder behaved inexcusably toward both you and your baby. Had you contacted me with the same situation (me having sold a bird so obviously ill and me having somehow missed it) I would have immediately offered to refund your price, taken the bird back, taken it to the vet MYSELF and taken immediate action to diagnose and treat my other birds as well as contacting others with babies from me at that time. If you hadn't wanted to part with the bird, I would have still paid all the vet bills, asked to accompany you to the vet, and walked with you every step. I would do this because I care about the babies I produce. While my heart bleeds for you, my blood boils at the so called breeder who didn't care that your baby suffered.


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Exactly SilverSage. I bred English and American budgies for 16 years and thank God I only ever had this happen one time and the baby did not die. But within 2 days of taking the baby budgie home the new owner called me (as I always have buyers my card with my cell phone number, email address, AND THE NUMBERS FOR MY OWN PERSONAL AVIAN VET, HIS EMERGENCY NUMBER, AND THE LOCAL 24-HOUR ANIMAL HOSPITAL. They called me as soon as they noticed the baby was only sleeping, nothing more. He had suddenly stopped eating and drinking, and he was fluffed up and sleeping. I actually left work early that day after calling my avian vet for them, and I met them at my avian vet's office at 4:00. He got us right in, and as the buyer had never owned a bird before I explained everything he was doing and saying to them. The difference is that I took all of the baby budgies I raised and sold to my avian vet TWICE PRIOR TO SELLING THEM, once when they were 6 weeks for fecal smears and crop smears, and then again right after they all weaned and fledged and right before they went to their new homes. If any of them tested positive for anything they didn't go home until they were clear and I paid for and executed their care. So this little guy had checked out fine at both appointments, but he was definitely sick after going home. Sometimes the stress of them being separated from their siblings and from the breeder and going to a new home with new people can lower their immune response and any little infections they would typically fight off themselves can escalate. My vet did full testing including blood work, fecal smears, a crop flush/smear, and he was hospitalized in an incubator and given oxygen and antibiotic and antifungal injections for 4 days. He survived and I had a $1,500 bill, but this is the risk you run as a breeder...THE REASON IT COST ME $1,500? BECAUSE I CALLED EVERY BUYER OF A BABY FROM THAT CLUTCH (7), TOLD THEM THAT ONE WAS VERY ILL, AND MET THEM ALL AT MY AVIAN VET'S OFFICE FOR SMEARS AND PROFILACTIC MEDICATIONS. That's just what you do.

Your breeder has not only showed no concern or interest in your baby or what you both were going through and paying for, but I'm 99.9% sure they lied to you when they said all the other siblings of your bird were fine as well as their own birds. I'm guessing your breeder never even called any of the other buyers of that clutch to tell them that one of them was gravely ill. Aspergillus is extremely contagious and your bird was in an advanced stage of the illness if he died that quickly, which means he was actively ill before he ever went home with you, along with his siblings and any other babies or breeders he had contact with or was kept with.

Which leads me to the other thing I used to do which was have my breeding room and nursery/feeding rooms cultured every year (I believe I did it every 6 months for quite a while after that baby got sick) and I had my certificate posted on the outside of the doors.

I'm concerned about the other buyers of his siblings not being informed so they can get early treatment or at least know what to treat their birds for right away to prevent more deaths. I'm also concerned that you were treated so poorly that this breeder should close up shop. If you were in the U.S. I'd report them, Dubai may not have an authoritative body for bird breeders though.

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Sigh... wish I have you over here or can find someone like you, but I think it's next to impossible.

 

[SilverSage]

Just a heads up; Irns are MUCH HARDER to tame than other birds. I have only "met" two people who have managed it with a wild IRN. I say "met" because they have been online. There are reasons for this but let me just leave it for now with the idea that if you buy a wild IRN you need to be ok with the fact that such a bird may never be even remotely tame.


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[ihijazi]

Just a heads up; Irns are MUCH HARDER to tame than other birds. I have only "met" two people who have managed it with a wild IRN. I say "met" because they have been online. There are reasons for this but let me just leave it for now with the idea that if you buy a wild IRN you need to be ok with the fact that such a bird may never be even remotely tame.


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That's too sad. Not I'm stuck on what to do...