Baby Green Wing macaw refusing formula at 11 weeks old

Great news he like the Harrisons. Let us hope that things settle down now?

Is Super Robert still eating his veggies or has that been suspended?
 
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He is crushing then to tiny pieces but unsure what portion he eats.
 
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Hey buds.

On Wednesday I was gonna see a previous vet that did some faecal testing for me but was confused about the results saying that he saw a minute amount of candida and a pretty uniform set of bacteria which he found weird. 2 weeks later (Wednesday) I went to see his partner (another vet) for more testing on Robert when I met a guy who knew a vet that worked on racing pigeons. He is a normal vet but has LOADS of experience with PIGEONS! The guy who told me about the vet set he is well versed with pigeons and he cures all of the racing pigeon diseases... pigeons are BIRDS. I cancelled my appointment immediately and got his number and travelled across my country to see him.

Met him and he immediately inspected Robert carefully. No testing just a lengthy physical. He noticed some nasal debris and some other stuff and gave me 2 sets of pills, 1 for inflammation (7 pills) and 1 for respiratory infection (4 pills to cut in half). He also gave Robert a Vitamin A injection and an anti-inflammatory injection. 2 days later, Robert's constant sneezing has minimised and he ins't digging nose as much. he told me the regurgitation will subside a bit on the new Harrison's formula and it indeed went down to a very minimum. He says see him in a week after all the medication is done.

On a more cheerful note, he are some of Roberts old toys and a couple of his new ones I just bought. He loves that stuffed frog! On top of the cupboards is his favourite place. he cries when we ask him to come down.











 
Another interesting update on Super Robert, hoping this is a step in the right direction.

Ah so sweet to see him with his frog, totally adorable.
 
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Here are my current concerns.

1) Robert has NO appetite. He gets hungry, begs for food by honking and doing wing flip. But once the syringe or spoon is at his beak he tries to run away or he just squeezes his beak shut. I don't know how to get him to eat his formula. Formula is fed at 108 - 110f. I literally have to squeeze the formula down the back of his throat. All the while he is kicking and fighting and complaining. I hate forcing it down. Don't know why he isn't interested in eating anything. Not formula, not veggies, not fruits, just nothing. He plays with his veggies breaking them up into tiny pieces but I haven't noticed any being eaten.

2) He regurgitates during and after feeding formula. He Sometimes up to 3 hours after feeding him formula he will regurgitate. He starts gagging and then up comes the formula. If I watch him after I feed him and play with him he doesn't regurgitate for maybe 2hrs after feeding. But if I put him on his perch or in his cage, he will bring up like 5 - 15 ml just like that.

3) He has lost a good bit of weight. He went down to 860 g from 1050 g but is now at 885 g and SLOWLY climbing.

4) He used to sneeze alot and dig his nose with his claw all the time. But he had a mild antibiotic for 4 days and he sneezes like 3 times a day but doesn't dig his nose anymore.
 
Just a couple of thoughts in the absence of other replies.

Is he clear of infection?

When should he be learning to feed himself? Do you need to show him how to? Have you tried different sizes of veggies for him to try. As he is used to formula I would guess softish may be more agreeable but no harm trying grated/food processed in the first instance. No harm* in leaving him with a couple of veggies ie carrots whole and cleaned to effectively play with for him to get to know his food? * (Other than the mess)

Hope this gets better soon for you both.

PS have you seen this thread, in the hope there is something there for you?
http://www.parrotforums.com/macaws/34075-3-month-old-green-wing-macaw-refusing-morning-feeding.html

Have also picked these up for you :-

http://www.birdtricks.com/bluegoldmacaw-fact-sheet.html

http://www.parrot-bill.net/baby.html
 
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Goodnight guys, it's Thursday night (09 June 2016) and I have those long awaited updates.

Today marks the 5th day that Robert is eating without problems or issues.
Here's what happened.

Thursday 02 June 2016:
Robert gave so much trouble to eat on this day. Fed him 3 times and he regurgitated almost all of the formula and I felt so desolate. I eventually cried that night. My wife and I felt so stressed we had to pry his beak open to feed him and them he just brought the food up. After seeking advice from vets (useless) and forum members (positive) we decided that from the next day would offer him many things.

Friday 03 June 2016:
We offered him fresh chop, whole grain penne and water. We left some in his cages and also on my work desk and in the kitchen. He ran it through his beak but didn't eat. Made all the yummy noises and all. He just stared at me as if I should have been able to know what he needed. He just followed me around and whimpered but no begging for food. In the late evening my wife was eating yogurt and offered him some warmed to 108 f. He ate just under 1 ml. At this point he had been hungry all day, about 12 hrs.

Saturday 04 June 2016:
Around 24 - 30hrs of not eating. Woke up early and cooked some gloop (bananas, broccoli, carrots, corn, lentils, oats, quinoa) for him. Cooled some and put in a bowl and I started eating it (with 'yummy' noises of course!). He came over to investigate what all this fuss was about and took the spoon from me making a mess. He ate 2 tablespoons of it and wanted no more. I was so relieved he ate so I didn't force him. An hour later the wife and I kissed him up and he begged for food again. I decided to make some Harrison's formula and offer him the syringe and see if he would like it. He didn't open up and my heart sank. But I opened his beak gently and he gave a feeding response and ate the entire 60 ml of formula. We cried with joy. He too was happy. At lunch he ate another 60 ml with no feeding response but he willingly ate the entire 60 ml but he took his time. At night my wife suggested that I puree the gloop. So we went to the appliance store and bought a NutriBullet. That thing is super amazing. It made all the ingredients into a thick liquid. Left the banana out as it is very perishable. So the broccoli, carrots, corn, lentils, oats and quinoa became so smooth. Poured out 60 ml, warmed it to 110f and put it at his beak. Upon squirt some in his mouth, it disappeared. In 20 secs the syringe was empty. He ate it all! We were so happy. During this day the wife and I completed his outside cage.


Sunday 05 June 2016:
He ate gloop puree all day. 90 ml servings went down his beak instantly at each feeding of the 3 feedings. His feeding response was so strong I could hardly hold the syringe. He also started slowing raising and lowering his head (slowly bobbing motion) AND honking with wing flips. He called for us all day long.
I came up with some feeding schedules to mix things up for the coming days.

Monday 06 - Thursday 09 June 2016 (4 days):
We fed him,
First feeding will be formula + carrot puree + bananas
Second feeding will be formula + carrot puree + papaya
Third feeding will be formula + carrot puree + broccoli
All my gloop ingredients for depleted. His food bowls had Water and Chop (changed 2 times a day). he had his formula cocktails 3 times a day and in between meals he actually went straight to the chop bowl and 'ate' some. Right after feeding, once his bowls were available, he would 'eat' (read play) some chop, then drink some water.
Towards the end of this 4 day period, Robert has become very playful, more obedient, he has started stepping up and seem so full of energy. Even more than his normal self. He doesn't even fuss to go into his cage anymore. We moved all his toys to his new cage and moved his food bowls. He begs for food 3 times a day and eats 60 - 90 ml without us forcing him. He simply opens his mouth once I pick up the syringe and swallows like he hasn't eaten in days.
Robert lay on his back for the first time tonight. I fed him and he came to me and threw himself down.


A month from now, when all his Harrison's formula is finished:
We plan to start giving him pureed gloop for 1st meal (by spoon) and puree Harrison's High Potency pellets for his last meal (by spoon). During the day in his bowls he will have gloop (NOT pureed) and dry Harrison's pellets. This way he will be eating the same thing fed by spoon and in his bowls. And a little closer to weaning.
 
Yeahhhh ROBERT !!! He looks so happy in the last pic, probably because he is looking at you Daddy.
 
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Hi guys, been awhile.
Robert is 21 weeks old. He eats about 180 - 240 ml a day. He began sometimes refusing his 12pm meal. But once he misses it, he is super hungry and eats over 120 ml for the next feeding. He seems to be in the very best of health. Begs for food, gives feeding response sometimes but always eats all his food very hungrily. Sometimes he eats all in 3 secs sometimes he eats it in 30 secs.
Robert has become more loving and seeks attention all day long, constantly going between my wife and I.

Below are some videos for your viewing pleasure.

This is how he looks before eating:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413RhCB3tDc"]21 week old Green Wing Macaw before feeding - YouTube[/ame]

This is how he looks after eating:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIYxLxb2R7w"]21 week old Green Wing Macaw after feeding - YouTube[/ame]

Was wondering why he still makes noises after he eats. They are different, but he is still very vocal after his meal.
 
What a polite young man he is. Been following the trials and tribulations that Robert has faced since day one, and I wouldn't blame him if he was screaming for his food.

Is his level play the same? He looks good.
 
Wonderful news that some head way is being made with adorable Super Robert, I would want to just cuddle him all day. He sounds a contented little fella after his feeding. Thanks for the updates and videos.
 
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Hey guys. Tuesday (21 June) night I will be making a new batch of gloop. Can you tell me if the below ingredients are ok? It's all I have available. I need to also find out the portions of each food group that I need to use.

Banana
Apple
Almonds
Oats
Green peas
Green beans
Carrot
Pumpkin
Corn
Brown rice
Broccoli
Spinach
Lentils
Quinoa
Chickpea
Flax
Chia
Coconut oil/Coconut
 
Hey guys. Tuesday (21 June) night I will be making a new batch of gloop. Can you tell me if the below ingredients are ok? It's all I have available. I need to also find out the portions of each food group that I need to use.

Banana - 15-20% will spoil easily.
Apple - 15-20%
Almonds - 5%
Oats - 15-20%
Green peas - 30%
Green beans - 15-20%
Carrot - approx 30%
Pumpkin - ditto
Corn - 15-20%
Brown rice - 15-20%
Broccoli - approx 30%
Spinach - approx 30%
Lentils - approx 20%
Quinoa - 15-20%
Chickpea approx 20%
Flax -
Chia -
Coconut oil/Coconut - Supplement
Hope this helps (doesn't add up completely!)

Quality Proteins up to 20%
Vit A Veggies about 30%
Other Veg.Fruits - 15-20%
whole Grains - 15-20%
Fats - 5%
Supplements

BTW I don't put rice in chop but cook fresh and serve. Been health warnings here about it concerning rice that had been pre-cooked. Could be something/nothing but better safe than sorry IMO.

Have you seen this? http://www.parrotforums.com/parrot-...afe-fresh-foods-toxic-food-lists-sprouts.html
 
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Hi friends. This is going to be long.
2 things are bothering me as of this morning (Tuesday 21 June 2016)

As of this morning Robert has been very grumpy and complaining from the time he woke (6am). Anytime we left the room he would whine and call for us. We thought he was hungry so we fed him. He continued his whiney behaviour even after being fed.

This is not the norm. Upon waking he would leave our bedroom (where he sleeps on a perch) and fly constantly for about 10 mins before settling down and begging to be fed.

We decided to cuddle him a bit but he exclaimed loudly several times during the cuddling, petting, kissing and scratching. It scared us to death because it was loud, sudden and sounded very painful. The strange thing is he continued coming to us to be cuddled but we didn't know how to touch him. he kept screaming with pain.
We were running late and left him in his cage and he didn't come to the end of the cage to see us off, he seemed very upset. As I was at work I could not concentrate with how we left him.

Left work lunchtime and went home. Decided I was gonna get to the bottom of this behavior. I carefully went through every single part of his body checking to see what's wrong. I figured Robert didn't know either.

Observation #1

I found pin feather cover his entire body. I realise 4 days ago he shed alot of tiny feathers. And these pins are the reason.

Head missing a good bit of feathers


Everyday for the last 4 days, these feathers are all over the house. Just lightly touching him releases them!


Whenever I approach him this is what he does


Pin feathers on head


Pin feathers on wings


Pin feathers on back (neck to tail)


Pin feathers on chest and abdomen


Pin feathers on leg


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Observation #2

I found the part of him that's really paining. it's the very tip of his upper beak (the needle like tip). I pressure tested his entire beak by pressing it gently but firmly. He shrieked in pain when I reached the upper tip. He jumped on me and started licking me, scratching me with his claws and bowing his head. I touched the area a few more times to be sure. He allowed the touching but still screamed. I brought his favourite toy for him to play with and from the time he touched with his beak he screamed and got into a fight with it and they scrambled on the ground for 10 secs. I then give him my cell phone (2nd favourite toy) and when he nibbled it he screamed and grabbed it aggressively and would not stop attacking it. Tried my hand again and he held my hand with his foot and brought it to the painful part of the beak slowly so I could touch it and he cried out (as if he was showing me where hurt).

Gave him a grape (which he loves cold), and when he bit into it, he cried out and flung it across my desk.

Right side of beak


Left side of beak


Front view of beak


For the entire afternoon that I have been home with him, I can't leave a room without him following me and quarrelling. He keeps lying down on my stomach and fluffy his head. When I rub his head, if I get to close to the tip of his beak, he growls.
I am really lost as to what could have possibly happened to his beak. Maybe he crashed into something hard or fell from a height or hurt it somehow?
Right now he doesn't wanna leave my side. Usually he is independent looking to do mischief all over the house. But as of this morning, he is closely supervising all I do and is brushed up against me to make sure i don't move of leave him
 
If you can get him to open his mouth, look at the softer underside of the beak, he may have chewed something sharp.
 
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I can touch the tip of his beak without him crying out today. Doesn't seem as sore. Thank God. All he does is retract a bit but no crying out. I also noticed he started back licking me and nibbling my fingers. But he is extremely cautious. He isn't flying into me or jumping on me or tumbling around all over me.
 
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Hey guys it's been 2 weeks.
Weight: 922g

Age: 24 weeks

Robert's beak stopped hurting much after 3 days and completely after 1 week. ! week after that, the very tiny needle-like tip eventually broke off.

Robert has been so loving for the last few weeks. I wake at 5am and then wake him around 6am so he gets 12hrs sleep. Every morning for the last few mornings, he wakes just before me and flying down from his perch to my bed and wakes me up around 5am.
Recently when I start kissing him, he puts his claws on the side of his head. What does that mean?

Like this...


As you know I have been trying to get Robert to eat for the longest time now. He simply 'plays' with his chop. He would break into tiny pieces but never swallow. My last bag of formula is 3/4 empty and I was running out of options.
I sat down with the bowl of fruits for me and started eating the stuff and he will come over. He came over to investigate and snatched a grape from my hand and ate it slowly. He then came back over and took 1 from my plate and ate it rather quickly.
This is a video I just took of him taking a grape being offered.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_9tAubcRo"]Green Wing Macaw eating grape - YouTube[/ame]

Is this the same Robert that doesn't swallow anything? That night he ate 8 (seedless black) grapes and 2in of (a medium) banana. I was blown away. He then politely picked up his feeding syringe and brought it to me. I fed him a mix of 40% formula and 60% chop pureed into a very thick mixture. He ate 60 ml, then begged for more and ate 100 ml total.

Newest batch of chop/gloop

Gabanzo, lentils, green peas, green beans


Almonds, oats, corn, brown rice, quinoa, flax seed & chia seed (ground up by me)


Broccoli, spinach, carrots, pumpkin


Full view


Made bite size


Mixed


Close up


Bagged and frozen
 

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