Re: Please read, many birds dead at rehab, food to blame?
Next update, have included the results images that she attached to the post:
“Well, someone has gotten her hands on all of our information and is spreading it. So, I too shall publish it. This was not her information to share, and we don't have all the testing complete. She's kind of an awful human being, in my opinion, but who am I to judge?
I STILL BELIEVE IT IS THE FOOD. The testing done has only tested for one thing. Metal toxicity, Fungal Toxicity and Additive Toxicity.
If you want me to go one step further, I'm going to say I believe it's the Zupreem for several reasons. We will continue more testing.
If you want to see all the deaths racking up across the country with unsolved parrot deaths see:
https://www.facebook.com/birdsandbeaks/posts/1397242957050979
If you have a way with what is detailed below to be an indoor toxin - please let me know.
Judith is so hellbent on being "right" she's lost touch with what this is about. There are deaths. A lot of them. Without answers. She wants you to draw conclusions on partial information, which is what this is.
I wanted to let the scientists figure this out. But she and her merry band of thugs from Parrot Poop and Parrot Posse are bent on making sure you have partial information and try to draw conclusions. Share them with me if you have them. Maybe this is the best thing that could've happened. We'll just pound them out until we get answers right? If you're going to read this - read it all.
This is what we have so far. What you'll see below are all of the answers we have, a full detailed checklist of events from that night, a short 2 minute video showing location of where birds were who lived and died, histology and food results.
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Attached is a histo and a video [ame="https://youtu.be/AMd8k3X9Jtw"]Walkthrough For MSU - YouTube[/ame] to support my case that the deaths of 11 birds (10 in under an hour, an 11th five hours later.) is not an aerosolized toxin. We are looking for more avenues to pursue to discover what happened that night. We do have an additional bird preserved in formalin with Dr. Derek Nolan at Cedar Creek Veterinary to run another histo on. If there is something we can test in the home to swab for toxins, sort of like the food broad spectrum tests — please advise.
History:
We run a parrot rescue in our home. On the evening of Jan 1, 2018 we fed a mix of zupreem fruit flavored pellets, lefeber’s nutriberries and Higgin’s Vitaseed Parrot to all birds in the rescue with the exception of 5 birds. Oki (Hyacinth Macaw) eats Macadamia Nuts, Flipp (Rainbow Lorikeet) eats nectar mixed with water, Chicken (Moluccan Cockatoo) and Sweetie (Military Macaw) got last batch food. All 4 of those birds survived.
Air:
The fire department came immediately and tested the air — no carbon monoxide or air toxins were determined. All birds were offered the same water, including the Lorikeet who’s food was mixed with the water.
We were not running any new heating, no new lightbulbs, no cleaning agents — the only thing we clean with and only if necessary is white vinegar. Otherwise we use water only and steam to clean. There were no new devices or machinery to emit toxic fumes. We have a radiant heat system that does not include vents throughout the entire house — read — there’s no air being pushed from one room to another. A new boiler system with a new ventilation system was installed over one month prior with no issues. Water runs through the radiators. We keep the home at a solid 70 degrees. We run Austin Air Pet model Air Purifiers.
Food:
The Zupreem and Nutriberries were purchased as two 12lb bags from Pet Supplies Plus in Kalamazoo on Friday. I removed the remaining food in our plastic, Rubbermaid bin and set it aside for use in quarantine. I do not mix batches of food. I added the Zupreem and Nutriberries on Friday and that was fed Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
On Sunday, my Amazon order of Higgins Vitaseed Parrot arrived, and I dumped that on top of the food in the bin. It was NOT mixed well, and I fed off the top of the seed Sunday.
On Monday, just before feeding, my husband picked the bin up and mixed it very well for me (it’s too heavy for me to pick up) and then we transferred the days ration to a large stainless steel bowl for distribution.
Due to a busy holiday schedule, no fresh fruits or vegetables had been given from Christmas Day to New Years Day.
We fed between 5-6pm on the evening of the 1st. Each bird got the above listed mix of food. We had mixed it really well prior to feeding.
Symptoms:
Symptoms were birds looked drunk, were wobbling, vomiting, seizures and then death. The surviving Nanday conure, Male eclectus from the aviary, and Blue Front Amazon from the aviary took about 48 hours to recover from the symptoms.
Birds fed between 5-6, first bird dies at approximately 10:10pm. Nine more pass by 11pm. The final, the nanday conure passed around 3:50am.
We have the rescue set up in 4 rooms. (See video)
In the aviary with closed doors and no vents/air return — we lost 7, 3 survived.
In that room:
Lived:
Blue Front Amazon (Symptoms)
Male Eclectus (Symptoms)
Lilac Crowned Amazon (Symptoms)
Died: (all these birds died within about 10 minutes)
Blue and Gold Macaw
Catalina Macaw
Miligold Macaw
Lesser Sulphur Crested Cockatoo
Moluccan Cockatoo
Yellow Nape Amazon
Yellow Nape Amazon
In the next room over — the Living Room, through closed doors 5 birds were housed, 2 died:
Lived:
Blue and Gold Macaw - No Symptoms(caged with Greenwing Macaw who died — Always eats after the Greenwing has his fill)
Hyacinth Macaw- No Sumptoms (Didn’t eat this food.)
Scarlet Macaw- No Symptoms(Picky Eater)
Died:
Greenwing Macaw — Died first
Harlequin Macaw (caged between two who lived) — Died after the aviary birds, exhibited symptoms longer. Is known to gobble his food.
Through the foyer and into the Dining room and through closed French doors, 10 birds were housed, 2 died, some of the living showed symptoms.
Caged Independently:
Lived:
Male Eclectus- Symptoms
Congo African Grey-No Symptoms
Jardine’s Parrot -No Symptoms
White Bellied Caique — No Symptoms — didn’t eat that food, was offered but had filled up from human food off my plate
Rainbow Lorikeet - No Symptoms (Didn’t eat this food. Ate nectar that night)
Caged together in 6x6x4 Large Oak Aviary surrounded in glass
Lived:
Quaker Parrot — No Symptoms
Blue Crown Conure — No Symptoms
Black Cap Conure — No Symptoms
Sunday Conure — No Symptoms
Nanday Conure — Most seriously ill of all birds — survived.
Died:
White Eyed Conure - Died second
Nanday Conure
Through the kitchen to the back of the house, there were an additional 2 birds housed in our Quarantine area. Neither were offered this food, and both survived.
Moluccan Cockatoo (No Symptoms)
Military Macaw (No Symptoms)
HISTO ON BIRD:
Case No.: G18-0045 Obtained: NA, rec'd 01/04/18
Reported: 01/09/18
Dr. Derek Nolan Patient ID: Umbrella Cockatoo
(“Rosie” Birds & Beak Rescue & Rehab)
Cedar Creek Veterinary Clinic Account #: MI 422G
HISTORY: This male umbrella cockatoo is from a bird rescue facility. Approximately five hours after evening feeding, birds became ill, and eleven birds died within an 11-hour timeframe. Not all of the birds were housed together. Air and water quality testing was within normal limits. Food was new, some of which was donated.
CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS: Open.
GROSS: Received in formalin are 19 tissues to 8 cm. in greatest dimension that are processed in seven blocks.
MICROSCOPIC: Lung: The parenchyma has congestion, marked hemorrhage, some edema, and varying degrees of atelectasis. Hemorrhage extends into the air sacs and between the fascial planes of the syringeal muscles. Blood vessels: Mural vessels of the heart have mild arteriosclerosis. Heart: The heart has numerous petechiae throughout the myocardium. Kidney: Mild tubular necrosis is noted. Brain: The white matter tracts of the cerebellum have mild perivascular hemorrhage and myelinic edema. Skeletal muscle: Acute moderate rhabdomyolysis is noted. The following tissues are histologically within normal limits: intestine, pancreas, liver, proventriculus, ventriculus, ganglia, great vessels, and adipose.
HISTOPATHOLOGIC DIAGNOSIS: 1. Acute pulmonary congestion, hemorrhage, edema, and atelectasis.
2. Petechiae, heart.
3. Acute renal tubular necrosis.
4. Acute rhabdomyolysis.
5. Mild perivascular hemorrhage and myelinic edema, white matter tracts of cerebellum.
COMMENT: Histologic findings are consistent with acute intoxication but are otherwise not particularly specific. Principal differentials include exposure to an aerosolized toxin or possible exposure to an ingested toxin, such as an organophosphate or organochlorine. Some mild arteriosclerosis was the only underlying chronic lesion and was considered incidental. This bird was in excellent nutritional status at the time of death.”
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