Penny is sick, I've been holding back making a thread
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Yup, that fixed it. Thanks
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RIP Gandalf and Big Bird, you are missed.
What a joyous update, Laura! Hoping Penny continues to eat and heal. Another round of antibiotics seems best!
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Go Penny!! Looking great!! 
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she's been still sleeping the day away fluffed.
Made her cornbread with quinoa, seeds, and pellets in it. She said nope...sigh...
Other parrots eating and liking it tho so not a complete waste
Made her cornbread with quinoa, seeds, and pellets in it. She said nope...sigh...
Other parrots eating and liking it tho so not a complete waste
Lord, a short 36 hours and two pages to catch-up on the action! Way to go Penny!
Wow, now that is a big poop. And you say, she provided 'two'! That is an Amazon size unloading, that is!
Wow, now that is a big poop. And you say, she provided 'two'! That is an Amazon size unloading, that is!
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Lord, a short 36 hours and two pages to catch-up on the action! Way to go Penny!
Wow, now that is a big poop. And you say, she provided 'two'! That is an Amazon size unloading, that is!
Lol, posting is helping me deal with the stress and worry...
The picture is of two big poops combined. It was amazing!!! Picture and post amazing!! Lol
Aww, it was worth the try, and I'm sure won't be wasted. Maybe still not hungry from her pile-o-peas this morning? lol. Some of my birdie breads are corn bread based, with lots of pumpkin mixed in, and other stuff of course. My guys love it. Tucker more than Baxter though, but he's a total piggy!
That sure is good looking poop, I imagine it was a relief for both of you You're doing such a great job Laura and I couldn't be more thrilled for you and Penny!
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Nutritional requirements fir a sick bird, extra calorie, and protein.
" Special nutritional requirements for debilitated birds
Extra nutritional support for debilitated and diseased birds is vital and plays an essential role in ensuring recovery of the avian patient after disease or debility. Enteral nutrition is currently the most usual method of supporting the debilitated patient, with parenteral (intravenous) nutrition still being in its infancy in avian therapeutics.
First, fluid requirements should be assessed, as any animal will succumb to dehydration long before starvation. The reader is referred to chapter 14 for a more detailed discussion of this topic.
Second, energy requirements should be estimated. These can be calculated roughly from the MER by multiplication as follows:
Starvation = 0.5 × MER
Trauma = 1.5 × MER
Sepsis = 2.5 × MER
Burns = 3–4 × MER
From these crude estimations, a rough idea of the levels of nutrition demanded and the energy concentration of the diet can be derived.
Third, protein requirements should be evaluated, as debilitation will increase amino acid and protein turnover. This may be through the increased use of proteins in the immune system response, or for repair of damaged tissue or simply after using tissue proteins as an energy source. "
https://veteriankey.com/avian-nutrition/
Penny has been craving proteins, cooked egg whites, a sliver of boiled chicken.
" Special nutritional requirements for debilitated birds
Extra nutritional support for debilitated and diseased birds is vital and plays an essential role in ensuring recovery of the avian patient after disease or debility. Enteral nutrition is currently the most usual method of supporting the debilitated patient, with parenteral (intravenous) nutrition still being in its infancy in avian therapeutics.
First, fluid requirements should be assessed, as any animal will succumb to dehydration long before starvation. The reader is referred to chapter 14 for a more detailed discussion of this topic.
Second, energy requirements should be estimated. These can be calculated roughly from the MER by multiplication as follows:
Starvation = 0.5 × MER
Trauma = 1.5 × MER
Sepsis = 2.5 × MER
Burns = 3–4 × MER
From these crude estimations, a rough idea of the levels of nutrition demanded and the energy concentration of the diet can be derived.
Third, protein requirements should be evaluated, as debilitation will increase amino acid and protein turnover. This may be through the increased use of proteins in the immune system response, or for repair of damaged tissue or simply after using tissue proteins as an energy source. "
https://veteriankey.com/avian-nutrition/
Penny has been craving proteins, cooked egg whites, a sliver of boiled chicken.
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Eat, Penny, EAT!
We're all with ya, Laura...!
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I wish the best for you and sending positive thoughts.
My oldest bird is 25-26 and whenever he looks "off" to me, i put him into his small "hospital" cage and keep him beside me So i can keep a condstant eye on him him.
He also LOVES to be with us, so I believe that just being within eyesight when he he is struggling helps him fight harder and give him some sense of safety and familiarity.
Is it possible your bird would also benefit this way?
My oldest bird is 25-26 and whenever he looks "off" to me, i put him into his small "hospital" cage and keep him beside me So i can keep a condstant eye on him him.
He also LOVES to be with us, so I believe that just being within eyesight when he he is struggling helps him fight harder and give him some sense of safety and familiarity.
Is it possible your bird would also benefit this way?
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Ephy,
I am sure that this is so important. There are studies in companion animals that show they do perk up for when their humans visit. And humans too, do better with a loved one with them at hospital.
She is in sight, about 10 feet away. I've had love sessions with her twice, but they tire her. At points she has been to sick to move. Im constantly trying to hand feed her abd get her to eat, with breaks so she can sleep by her heat panel.
Penny does not tolerate change, as in rage, stress, ...or I would gladly move her cage right next to me.
I am sure that this is so important. There are studies in companion animals that show they do perk up for when their humans visit. And humans too, do better with a loved one with them at hospital.
She is in sight, about 10 feet away. I've had love sessions with her twice, but they tire her. At points she has been to sick to move. Im constantly trying to hand feed her abd get her to eat, with breaks so she can sleep by her heat panel.
Penny does not tolerate change, as in rage, stress, ...or I would gladly move her cage right next to me.
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Its hard, its hard to get her to eat. I wanted to feed something other than egg whites. But gave up and made them for her. Instead if eating them herself, I had to feed in tiny tiny pieces. Probably ate a dime size over 20 min. Because I'm tired if egg i gave the rest to the other birds, they each ate a quarter size in seconds!!!@ it made me cry, because it brings home how sick she is, they all ate a second quarter size each in seconds again, showing me what a healthy bird will eat at time...
I waited ten minutes, and offeredv peas, had to feed her she ate 2..
She did have a normal size big morning poop. And then preening. Its nit great this morning, but not the worst either.
It's exhausting, she will only eat warm stuff, and I have to keep warm on stove, microwave broke last month.
I tried to get her out for cuddling, she refused
But I'm so afraid I'm going to loose her, I can't stand it
Edit: my biscuit is cooked , so I was going to offer her a crumb see if she would eat that. She was picking at her millit spray! For the first time since sick. Refused biscuit crumb,.. as I write is sleeping agsin.. maybe will perk up later
I waited ten minutes, and offeredv peas, had to feed her she ate 2..
She did have a normal size big morning poop. And then preening. Its nit great this morning, but not the worst either.
It's exhausting, she will only eat warm stuff, and I have to keep warm on stove, microwave broke last month.
I tried to get her out for cuddling, she refused
But I'm so afraid I'm going to loose her, I can't stand it
Edit: my biscuit is cooked , so I was going to offer her a crumb see if she would eat that. She was picking at her millit spray! For the first time since sick. Refused biscuit crumb,.. as I write is sleeping agsin.. maybe will perk up later
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Laura you mentioned a few days ago you had considered hand-feeding formula but had not because she had seemed eating better. But maybe it might be helpful anyway?
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I'm thinking the same thing...
Something to consider, perhaps ask the vet, antibiotics in people very often can cause upset stomach and such. Diarrhea is common, but she doesn't seem to have that issue, thank goodness. But, a little nausea would definitely contribute to the lack of appetite. Just a thought.
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RIP Gandalf and Big Bird, you are missed.
Two excellent suggestions! Brainstorming from cyberspace may be helpful in support of Laura's superb nursing skills!
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Her meds were 24 hours ago , so I dint think nausea.........but fint know
I got the formula , im sure I should have tried it sooner.
At first drop she spit all out. By second drop she liked it! Even ate the spit up drop off my hand!! Had 2.5ml ... think so great!!! She needs nutrition and calories. I know yiu font give adults birds much at time, will have to read up
When I came home from getting her right nostril is wet again, and she is rubbing it. So probably explain things. It hard for antibiotics to penetrates liquid, and she was probably having more pain.
After feeding, she is cuddling, then tried to feed me,
I got the formula , im sure I should have tried it sooner.
At first drop she spit all out. By second drop she liked it! Even ate the spit up drop off my hand!! Had 2.5ml ... think so great!!! She needs nutrition and calories. I know yiu font give adults birds much at time, will have to read up
When I came home from getting her right nostril is wet again, and she is rubbing it. So probably explain things. It hard for antibiotics to penetrates liquid, and she was probably having more pain.
After feeding, she is cuddling, then tried to feed me,
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