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Ah, yeah, your concerns are understandable. .

I'm not sure what you mean by the breeder not contacting me when he'd improved. She did; I just got an email to her first. She doesn't get to check her email every day.

I also forgot to mention that she DID apologize. It felt like a sort of on-the-spot apology, though, not something she'd planned. I don't think she knew what to apologize for.

We did talk for a long time. I'm still anxious, but that's mostly because things got so unexpectedly crappy there for a while. I was REALLY worried about that baby when I heard he was injured, and the email I sent reflected that I was kind of annoyed about him not seeing a vet. I figured she had some experience treating injuries, since she's been breeding animals (dogs, horses, a variety of parrots) for years, but I really was unhappy that he wasn't seeing a vet.

It would have been good for him to see a vet. A professional opinion is always best. But after talking to the breeder more, I do feel more secure in the decision she made. She really has done this a lot. She had the leg wrapped for a couple days after he hurt it (something she hadn't mentioned before).

Honestly, the phone call we had last night SHOULD have been the one we had in the first place! That would have prevented a lot of grief in my life. That call last night was exactly what I was looking for - reassurance that she knows what she's doing well enough to make a call on an injury, and reassurance that the bird is doing well.

It's maybe unfair for me to say I'm walking on eggshells. But I am a little concerned just with how sensitive she was to my comments. Like I said, the phone call last night was the one I was hoping for all along, and really the one I deserved to have in the first place.

I do trust her as a caretaker, and I think she's a truly good breeder. Honestly, even after all this, I would still recommend her. Everything about how things were going was spectacular until the vet issue came up, but I can kind of understand why she handled it herself now. I don't think most breeders probably could get away without seeing a vet, but I do think she seems to be able to do a lot of the health care of her animals herself. The one hitch is the sensitivity issue, so I would just suggest to people to be especially careful in communication. I can see now and after talking to her where my first email about the vet could have seemed a bit unfriendly, but her reaction WAS extreme. That reflects personality more than her abilities as a caretaker and breeder, though.

My worries now only come from continuing to worry a bit about the health of the baby, and wanting to be careful to maintain a good relationship with this breeder. I think it speaks to her credit that she was able to see past her initial anger at my email and call me and make up.

And she's not promising me this bird, so don't worry about me getting stuck with him somehow. She's going to be giving me updates with videos and everything so I can see how he's doing and decide for myself whether I want this one. If not, she's still got another new clutch and has said one of those would still be available for me.

I DO need to make a smart choice, though, when I see how he's doing. Do I want to take on a bird that might have long term problems that require more vet care? Or do I want to wait for the back-up birdie? Or do I want to talk again to this breeder in Pennsylvania? I still have options, and I'm keeping all of them open for the time being. But I chose this breeder in the first place because I thought she was great. It sucked what happened, but I'm willing to kind of give her a mulligan and see how things go. She does want to sell me a 100% healthy bird, I believe, and I'm not locked into any decision right now.

As always, further thoughts, comments, advice, or questions are supremely appreciated.
 
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thank you for understanding.....you are avery patient and forgiving person!

I'm relieved that you clarified some things on here...just so we all understand where the breeder and you are coming from.

It sounds like things are going as planned for you, and I truly hope in the end you get the bird that you want and deserve.

....such a crazy experience for you!
 
OK!!! Only POSITIVE THOUGHTS from here on!!

The baby is going to be fine, and coming home to you soon!!! This was just the first hiccup in what is going to be a long, happy life together!
 
I am so glad everything is going so well!!! You guys were curious as to why she did not respond for four days, from the emails and updates I have gotten she was at a four day horse show and not home long enough to do anything other than take care of her animals. Im not saying she was right in not responding, she should have, Im just saying she had some reason.
 
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I am so glad everything is going so well!!! You guys were curious as to why she did not respond for four days, from the emails and updates I have gotten she was at a four day horse show and not home long enough to do anything other than take care of her animals. Im not saying she was right in not responding, she should have, Im just saying she had some reason.

Exactly! Thanks for mentioning that.
I WAS wondering why she hadn't responded, until we talked on the phone and I found out. (I had figured she just wasn't going to respond).

But yeah, I actually am wondering now if her intense reaction to my email last week wasn't partially due to stress regarding the upcoming show. Everyone has a bad day. Beth's a really nice lady who obviously cares deeply for her animals; that's actually a part of why her response hurt me so bad. I'd only been wanting the best for the bird's health as well.

Anyway, I'm very happy to be on good terms with her again and have that cleared up. Even if things don't work out well with this baby for some reason, I'm happy with what the outcome has been right now and I'm sure something will work out one way or another now.
 
I can see how she got pissed.

After you own animals for a certain period of time and you learn to take care of them, things that you would have gone straight to the vet before you learn to do them on your own. It's not to cut corners or anything, it's just why bother going to the vet when you can do the same thing at home?

When you asked about vet care, it probably came across to her as questioning her knowledge and experience. You didn't know what experience she had, so I think you were right in questioning her. (hence the most recent phone call, that eased your fears and anxieties)



You also called her "labor of love" a business. They don't breed to make money, they breed and raise chicks because they enjoy doing it. They charge for animals more so to make sure that the animals are going to a good home, thus proving that the new owners have the money it takes to care for said animal. Some say it's not work if you enjoy doing what you do! LOL

Yes, when it comes down to it, it is a business, but she's doing it because she loves to, not because she has to. You could say it's a matter of mindset.



Saying all that, it's still a good idea to get a bird to an avian vet after getting the bird to set up a baseline exam, and there you could always ask about the leg.



Parrots are amazingly adaptable animals!


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I can see how she got pissed.

After you own animals for a certain period of time and you learn to take care of them, things that you would have gone straight to the vet before you learn to do them on your own. It's not to cut corners or anything, it's just why bother going to the vet when you can do the same thing at home?

When you asked about vet care, it probably came across to her as questioning her knowledge and experience. You didn't know what experience she had, so I think you were right in questioning her. (hence the most recent phone call, that eased your fears and anxieties)

You also called her "labor of love" a business. They don't breed to make money, they breed and raise chicks because they enjoy doing it. They charge for animals more so to make sure that the animals are going to a good home, thus proving that the new owners have the money it takes to care for said animal. Some say it's not work if you enjoy doing what you do! LOL

Yes, when it comes down to it, it is a business, but she's doing it because she loves to, not because she has to. You could say it's a matter of mindset.

Pretty fair response, I'd say. I think you understand both sides of the situation pretty well.

Yeah, I didn't know about her experience well enough to know that the lack of vet care was pretty safe in this situation. I meant to ask more out of curiosity and desire for reassurance, but my worry led me to write a message that sounded a little less friendly than I intended.

I can see why she was upset. I think the reaction was still pretty overblown given the fact that I was demonstrating concern over the bird. I think she eventually realized that. But yeah, I really never meant to undermine her. After talking, I felt a lot more secure about her decisions and experience. I just wish that could have been our first phone conversation. :p Oh well! Like I said, no harm done. I mostly feel bad that in trying to clear up my concerns I upset her and hurt the my relationship with the breeder. I hope everything will be smooth from here on out.

As far as the business thing is concerned, I never would have even used that word if I'd thought it would be a bad thing to say. I think she may be breeding animals full time... but I didn't think using that word would be a negative thing, never even considered it. I'm glad it's such a passion and enjoyment for her instead of just a job, though. :)
 
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Indeed. I'm glad you were able to at least get things worked out with this breeder, and hopefully the chick is indeed healthy and well!
 
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Just wanted to share the good news!

Cuzco is scheduled to ship in on Thursday! Beth said he's doing fantastic, and she scheduled his flight even before the deposit got back or I bought the money order for the rest of the balance owed.

I also managed to get down to a bird fair this weekend and got some more supplies. I even got a nice bagel tube ("Chewb"-like) thing that I'm hoping he might like to go in. And of course, toys and toy supplies. Now I have some toys I can rotate in.

And I finally got some food. Went with Zupreem since that's what he's been weaned on, but I'm going to try to send for some Roudybush samples ASAP and start transitioning him if he'll eat it.

I'm going to be preparing some mash food as per Beth's directions as well. Very diverse mix of stuff!

I'll be sure to upload some photos when he gets settled in and then we can have this thread end on a wonderfully happy note. <3 Thanks again, everyone, SO MUCH for all the advice and support and well-wishes. I'm so thankful to have found this forum and all of you.
 
Awesome news!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for the photos!!!!!!!! :D
 
AWESOME!!!!! Yaaaay!!! I'm so happy for you, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE the name!!!!!
 
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He's here.
He's adorable.

And his leg seems pretty okay. :)

Here's Cuzco. After everything, he's finally here. I'm exhausted. It's been a crazy week (had a pregnant cat start giving birth almost right on my lap, so a stray cat ended up giving birth in my apartment and I spent the next 2 days looking for a proper foster home!!)

But after all the roller coaster ups and downs, he's finally here.
(see here for more photos!!: http://www.parrotforums.com/conures/43256-boom-baby-cuzco-has-arrived.html)
 

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Oh my God, he's GORGEOUS!!! I'm SO happy it all worked out. He looks like a confident little guy. I can't wait to hear more about him. Love his little face!!!
 

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