Not splinting okay?

[jenphilly]

You did nothing wrong!!! If that was your child and you were away on vacation and you had left your child with a registered nurse as a sitter / caregiver. If your child fell and possible broke their arm, would you trust the registered nurse to just throw it in a sling and see how it goes??? Or would you expect that your child was rushed to the hospital for xrays, a workup, exam, etc to KNOW exactly what happened and what needs to be done...

There is no difference between that situation and what happened with this baby conure. She is an experienced caregiver, she knows what should have happened. You did nothing wrong, just demanded your baby be given the medical attention that should have happened without asking.

If you feel you need to make sure this baby is okay, then send an email. Tell her that in spite of her accusations and reaction to your very reasonable request, you would still like to have the baby and you will take responsibility for the vet bills.... if you are willing to take that on. Keep it to emails from this point out too... if there is ever any debate over he said / she said crap, you want the emails as proof of conversation.

There is no wrong answer here.... if you feel strongly, send the email... what's the worst she came say... no I'm more selfish then you realize and will now deny the baby a good home as well as denying medical treatment...

 

[MangieSun]

I'm getting my crimson bellied conure tomorrow from a breeder in Oklahoma. Had this same situation happened with me I don't know what I would do, but knowing me I'd probably want to contact the breeder and try and figure out where it all went wrong. I know you did nothing wrong on your end and because the breeder has stellar reviews, she probably is just taken by surprise and feels overly defensive. Such a defensive response kind of make me think she questions her own decision on not taking the sweet baby to the vet. I hate confrontation, so I'd be inclined to try and smooth it over. But that's me. I feel awful for you.

 

[MonicaMc]

Speaking of shelters, there is one in Michigan that I think comes highly recommended. It may be even further away from you, but I know someone in Ohio that I think has adopted from them?

Feathered Friends of Michigan Parrot Rescue - Home
https://www.facebook.com/featheredfriendsofmichigan

There's also the Bird Nerd's rescue, although it's probably also 2-3 hrs away from you (judging by it's proximity to the store previously linked to)

I've also seen several ads of green cheek conures on Craigslist in Ohio (not that I'm looking!)



Looking at Bird Breeders, I see at least 30 listings for green cheek conure breeders, so if you are set on a baby, you should be have plenty of options. I don't know any of them so couldn't recommend!



Sorry things didn't work out with the previous breeder, but hopefully you are able to find a new feathered companion.

 

[Kisota]

Okay... after crying over this loss again, I figured I couldn't just let it go like that. I'm probably too late. I'm sure she's already sent back my deposit...

But I had to try.

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[FONT=Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "Beth,
You seemed very upset when we spoke on the phone the other day. I am SO sorry to have offended you. I was very caught off guard. I wanted to let you know that this was really not about me not trusting you. I'm really sorry it came across like I was undermining your decisions and your passion for birds.

I was hoping my questions would come across as honest concerns about the baby I had reserved (and demonstrate that I only want to be a good caretaker for the baby), but it seems I actually made things worse.

I would really like for you to take a moment and reconsider the situation. As I said in my last message, I think you are a very good breeder, and I'm sorry I let my concerns about the baby get ahead of me. My whole family has been completely broken-hearted about losing that little baby. We'd all grown so attached and were prepared to give him an excellent home, and that's what really should be most important here, right?

Again, I'm so sorry things happened this way, and I really want to make them right however possible.

Best wishes"

Sigh... I don't feel optimistic about this at all... but at least I tried... my poor little baby...

And yes, thank you, Monica! I will look at the rescue in Michigan. Bird Nerds is definitely on my radar. I believe I have their Facebook page added. I will be continuing to look at all my options.

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[MangieSun]

I think you made a good choice. Now no matter what happens you know you did everything you could to get that precious baby a great home with you. The balls in her court and if she chooses to ignore it than that's on her. Hopefully she will reconsider the entire situation and do what is best for the bird.

 

[jenphilly]

I agree with Cari... no matter how this turns out, you should have absolutely no feelings of doubt or regret. You have now done everything possible to make this work. You can move forward knowing you left no stone unturned!!!

Good luck, I hope things work out... either way, whatever is meant to happen will and whatever little bird that is meant to live with you will be the one you end up with!!

 

[BirdyMomma]

You did the right thing by sending that second email, for more than one reason.

The outcome you want is to get your baby, and if there's a chance of that happening (unfortunately) this is the only avenue left at this point.

YOU HAVE JUST TAKEN THE HIGH ROAD. In order for you to do what you did, you put aside all of your (completely justified) anger, fear, hurt, indignation, and you did what was right for the birds sake. No matter what happens now, you cannot blame yourself. You left the dicision in her hands. You truly have done all that you can do.

You gave HER an out. A lot of people with anger issues speak too quickly, and regret what they say once it's too late. It's probable that afterwards, she felt as crappy as she treated you, but her ego wouldn't let her amend what she ruined with her mouth. So give it a full day, and see if there is really a good person existing under all of those layers of wretchedness.

I hope you get your baby.

 

[Kisota]

Thank you all so much for the support.
No response yet, but she has historically often been very slow to answer emails. It will be hard to tell for a while if she's just taking a long time or simply not going to answer.

There's a good chance I'm going to that bird fair in Cleveland this weekend. Maybe I'll come across a bird there that is just... right. (I hope this breeder contacts me before then, though, so I don't have to be wondering about that while I'm looking at other birds). At the very least, maybe I can make some contacts that will be useful. I don't know. Hopefully it won't just make me feel sadder.

What a rough situation. This all just happened so fast.

 

[jenphilly]

Having options is ALWAYS a good thing

And the most perfect bird for you might be sitting there waiting for you to show up!! And the bird will let you know.... just listen to the bird, forget people, when thehumans you out, they are not wrong... us humans make bad choices for wrong reasons all the time.... Such as what they look like, missing some feathers.... an old horse saying, a good horse is never a bad color..... same with birds m never bad color and that includes showing some skin!!

 

[palmetto941]

I ordered my blue quaker, Cosmo from a Lynda of Tweety Bird Aviary
Huntsville, AL 35803
(256) 656-2019
Website
It was an awesome experience. She raises many bird breeds and was extremely nice to deal with.....caring too!
We have also adopted the BnG Macaw, Simba and the Lutino Cockatiel, Sunney from the Feathered Friends Bird Rescue in Milan, MI. That also has been an outstanding experience. Marie, the head of the rescue was on the Parrot Confidential show that was shown nationally. Marie rehabs and rehomes with the accent on the bird.... The rescue is also on facebook and has a web site....although the quicker response was on the fb site.

 

[Terry57]

I am really hoping you at least hear something back - I think you have handled this situation with such class, and you absolutely did nothing wrong.
I agree with everyone that you have done everything you can possibly do, and I just hope that things work out for you soon. Being in limbo is such a hard thing.

 

[Kisota]

I ordered my blue quaker, Cosmo from a Lynda of Tweety Bird Aviary
Huntsville, AL 35803
(256) 656-2019
Website
It was an awesome experience. She raises many bird breeds and was extremely nice to deal with.....caring too!
We have also adopted the BnG Macaw, Simba and the Lutino Cockatiel, Sunney from the Feathered Friends Bird Rescue in Milan, MI. That also has been an outstanding experience. Marie, the head of the rescue was on the Parrot Confidential show that was shown nationally. Marie rehabs and rehomes with the accent on the bird.... The rescue is also on facebook and has a web site....although the quicker response was on the fb site.

Thank you! I will look them up and keep them in mind.

I am really hoping you at least hear something back - I think you have handled this situation with such class, and you absolutely did nothing wrong.
I agree with everyone that you have done everything you can possibly do, and I just hope that things work out for you soon. Being in limbo is such a hard thing.

Thank you so much. It really has been a heartbreaking experience. All this time, all I've wanted is to give a baby bird a wonderful home. It's really sad to have such a terrible experience from a breeder who was supposed to be the best and turned out to be just... awful. Shocking, really.

The breeder in Cincinnati, who calls her aviary Feathered Playpen, has been super nice to me. She was delighted I've spent so much time doing research and would really like to meet up and give me a tour of her aviary. The only birds she raises that really would likely suit me are Meyers and Blue crowned conures, though. Her Meyers won't be breeding for like 6 months. I might have a bird from someone else by then. But it's still nice to know I have someone I could count on in the future. And it's certainly super refreshing to find a breeder who actually cares instead of just pretending to.

I'm hoping to at least make some contacts at the bird fair and meet some babies, get a feel for at least what type of bird I may want - conures and poicephalus are at my top at the moment, though I've put caiques back on the table -they're just so irresistible.

I still haven't heard back from Beth. Though she is slow at emails, I really do suspect that she's begrudging enough not to answer me at all anymore. We'll see. Either way, I don't think I will let waiting for a response from her hold me back from getting a bird if I just happen to get lucky enough to find one I love at the fair.

Thanks again so much, everyone, for your support through all this. It means more to me than I can possibly express. <3

 

[Terry57]

I am sorry to hear that she has not even answered you back yet. To me, that speks volumes. Have you received your deposit back yet?
I am hoping that you are able to find the perfect bird for you at the fair. Maybe there is one there who really needs you, and picks you immediately

 

[chippy]

What a dreadful experience!!! Oh, my goodness! My heart goes out to you...I would have been devastated if, after getting updates and pics of his development, I had not ended up with Pippin!

Her attitude is bizarre to me... if birds and breeding are her "passion", WHY on earth would she be offended by someone saying that they wanted their bird to get the best possible care?! I would WANT you to think that way, because it would tell me taht I was selling to someone who was passionate about the bird!

Wow. Just wow.

I really hope she takes a moment to re-think this...the baby needs to be cared for, treated and sent to you!

 

[Kisota]

Three days later, no response. I've given up on getting a response or any other slight bit of closure. I guess I'll never know what happened to the bird who was supposed to be mine... who was kept from me because I dared ask why he wasn't seeing a vet for his injury. It's just so baffling. It's just crushing to have to go through and delete the photos I had of him and try to forget the excitement I felt waiting for him to come home.

I've been crying on and off for days. I'm so heartbroken and depressed I really don't even know what to do. I still can hardly believe this happened, after everything... I wish there was more I could do.

Even looking for a different bird now is hard and painful and confusing. Darn it! It's like grieving.

 

[MangieSun]

UHG. I'm sorry again. Was hoping you'd have some kind of news by now. Did you get your deposit back?

 

[Kisota]

Not yet. I imagine it will be in sometime in the next few days. I haven't really given that much thought.

 

[Terry57]

Did you make it to the bird fair this weekend?
I wish I knew of a reliable breeder near where you are, or anywhere in the states, for that matter. I just feel so badly for you.

 

[JennyB]

Just curious, but did you sign any sort of agreement or get a receipt when you gave her your deposit? Did you write a check or give her cash? Did she cash the check? It seems to me she was legally obligated to treat that baby in whatever way YOU said, the minute she accepted your deposit! I do not like conflict and avoid it at all costs, until someone messes with my kids or my animals... then I turn into a raving lunatic!!! You may still have some options - I have no idea where to even tell you to start, but maybe the Better Business Bureau...

Anyway, what she did is wrong on soooo many levels... it's terrible, I can't imagine how hurt and upset you must be feeling, but don't give up unless you decide that you want to pursue another baby!

 

[Kisota]

Did you make it to the bird fair this weekend?
I wish I knew of a reliable breeder near where you are, or anywhere in the states, for that matter. I just feel so badly for you.

No, I was informed by other people more familiar with the fair that it was not a very big one. I had been hoping it would be very large, since it's near Cleveland. So we decided it wasn't worth the drive. That was really quite a disappointment, as well. I was looking forward to the distraction - it was going to be kind of an adventure, and it was going to end with seeing some birds. But no luck.

There's one in Cincinnati next weekend that I've been told is generally pretty good. And since we live in the Dayton area, it's only an hour or so away. So we'll be making that trip for sure. There's a really nice breeder in that area as well that I may stop by to see. But I don't know if any of the species she carries are what I would like.

Just curious, but did you sign any sort of agreement or get a receipt when you gave her your deposit? Did you write a check or give her cash? Did she cash the check? It seems to me she was legally obligated to treat that baby in whatever way YOU said, the minute she accepted your deposit! I do not like conflict and avoid it at all costs, until someone messes with my kids or my animals... then I turn into a raving lunatic!!! You may still have some options - I have no idea where to even tell you to start, but maybe the Better Business Bureau...

Anyway, what she did is wrong on soooo many levels... it's terrible, I can't imagine how hurt and upset you must be feeling, but don't give up unless you decide that you want to pursue another baby!

No signed agreement, no receipt. There IS an agreement on her website with a place for a signature, but we didn't actually fill anything out. (parrot heatlh guarantee, yellow sided green cheek, crimson bellied conure, african grey in arizona)

The statement does say that if she refuses to sell for whatever reason, she sends the deposit back.

So she's not under any obligation to work with me, and she was never under any obligation (other than the moral one, IMO) to take that baby to a vet.

I wish SO much there was something I could still do. I keep thinking about how that baby would be coming home in a few days if not for this... and I have to see the empty cage sitting there all day. It's becoming extremely difficult to get this off my mind and pull myself up again. I've even contemplated just selling the cage - getting an animal isn't supposed to be something heartbreaking, and I really can't take much more disappointment. It's hard not to be tempted to just stop trying for fear of more letdown.

I wonder what happened to that little guy. I'll probably never know. I can't believe I managed to make things so awful when I had such good intentions and manners.

I did, however, post a "wanted" thread over here. I am keeping my mind open to many species when I'm looking in person, but I would still ship a YSGCC baby boy if I could find one from a trustworthy breeder. http://www.parrotforums.com/birds-wanted/42837-baby-yellow-sided-gccs-male.html