More Sammy weirdness

such a shame to read through this thread. I don't if you tried it or not but could you possibly sneak his cage into a different room during his night time? I don't know if the Grey that appears to be causing his anger is in the same room but maybe making him think that the grey is no longer in his zone could be something
 
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Not much - the level of aggression has calmed down quite a bit, seemingly from the change in diet from Harrison's and from me sitting & talking to him quietly every morning that I'm not working.

I was heartened by the positive change, but it seems to have reached a plateau, about a year or so ago. Despite all my efforts, he simply won't allow me close enough to touch him. When I get close to his cage, he retreats as far as possible & gives every one of the infamous 'Zon "don't come near me!" signs. The same happens if he's on the floor, well away from his cage. For some reason, the stick is non-threatening, so he'll happily step up on it.

I have thought about moving his cage to another room but it's very large, and really can't go anywhere else except the basement, where he'd be alone all the time. The same goes for our CAG's cage.

At the moment, I'm starting into a new tactic - wearing a VERY thick, padded shirt, and trying to gently force him into stepping up. I managed that, once, last night. He did bite - hard - but the shirt's padding mitigated it & I was able to (at least, apparently) ignore the bite. He seemed a little surprised at the utter lack of reaction to the bite (normally, his bites are serious enough to require medical treatment...sometimes sutures), and I was able to put him back onto his cage top.

We'll see if that has any effect...
 
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Oh, he is indeed! He's a happy, busy bird. He just seems to hate people...especially me. Weird - he used to be a real cuddle bird.
 
That is good to hear! Can you be in the same room with Sammy on a playstand? Or does he go crazy when you even step in?
 
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He's fine with that, unless he sees me look at him, even from across the room. As long as I make no eye contact, and pretend I don't even see him (and, of course, don't get anywhere near his cage) he's fine. If I even glance in his general direction, you get to see 100% of the 'Zon warning signs, immediately, simultaneously, & in living color. If ever someone needed to document the "I'm about to bite you realllly bad!" signs, one pic of him would do it.
 
Probably been asked this but have you changed any appearance about yourself glasses etc I wear contact lenses for playing sports and sometimes forget when I go in the Amazon avairy they just go into attack mode they want to kill me same as my greys they want to kill me aswell
 
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No, I've been very careful about that. I haven't changed my soap, hair care products, deodorant, etc. either. Aside from getting old (can't help that!), nothing about my outward appearance, scent, sound, etc. has changed.

All I can do is keep pressing onward, in the hopes that one day, he'll start liking me again. I get lonely for my big green buddy...
 
This Thread has perplexed me, but your continued efforts are heartwarming. I do so hope that Sammy will find that switch and make the change to being your buddy again! It will be so good for both of you!
 
I was re-reading Sally Blanchard's Companion Parrot Handbook this morning, and she talked about some parrots who had become completely phobic. Sometimes it was for a reason, sometimes not, and it's very difficult to treat. I've also read that contrary to what we thought, most birds don't bond for life. Couples break up and find other mates. Sometimes the jilted spouse moons around after the lost lover. Sometimes they stay together but have "flings". Do you think Sammy could just be done with you guys, or with people in general? Maybe he's just not cut out to be a companion bird, or maybe he needs to be around a bigger flock of birds to set an example and keep him in line.

Do you have Sally's book? It often shows up on eBay, and I think she may have some unsold new copies at her house that she is willing to sell. She has a chapter in there on working with these very difficult birds that might be relevant. Local library might have it. I have an extra copy, in fact I have extras of lots of bird books and I've thought of setting up a lending library by mail. Let me know if you need help.
 
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I haven't read the book, but I'll spook around and see if I can acquire one. Thanks for the tip!
 
Wow, MH! these are my experiences as well. Thank you for this thread. I am so stressed out over this behaviour and know the longer (s)he stays in the cage the wilder she becomes...When I let her out, she will growl at me if I approach either of them, so I turn off the lights to calm her down and will place a biscuit in her feed bowl. When I turn on the light, she will flare a bit but will eventually go get her treat.
 
That is "dark ages" advice if you ask me...

WHEN I GOT MY SALLYBIRD SHE COULD NOT BE HANDLED WITHOUT A TOWEL, AND SHE HAD NOT BEEN OUTSIDE OF HER CAGE IN TWO YEARS!!!

The solution for the bird NOT BEING BONDED TO ANYONE ANYMORE is to (1) short clip so the bird cannot fly/divebomb/attack anyone. THEN GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE... START OVER AND RE-BOND WITH THE BIRD....

If you re-home the bird?! That is going to be what happens anyway - and that is how they form bonds with the new person.

PARROT TRAINING IS A LIFE LONG THING AND SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO START OVER FROM SQUARE ONE...

This bird needs to be handled more. He's become cage bound and territorial. Changes in scenery, like outside time once he's short clipped will do wonders for his disposition... make life fun and interesting again for him, and he will respond to that...

THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE, AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BECAUSE I'VE FREAKING DONE IT A FEW DOZEN TIMES OR MORE... !!!!

The vet will help find a new home for your bird if you sign it over to him?! What's his cut of the rehoming fee I wonder... ?! Makes me suspicious...

I'd short clip, give him a change of scenery, move the cage around, get him out to another part of the house where he can't see the cage, bird boing on a hanger works great for this, and basically start over from basic step up/no bite training to these are your boundaries bird... If you don't like it, take it up with Mr. Towel...

THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE!!!
Birdman! Your advice is super helpful and I need you here in Trinidad. My YSA has suddenly become aggressive too...it hurts, but some tough love is what's needed..
 
Birdman! Your advice is super helpful and I need you here in Trinidad. My YSA has suddenly become aggressive too...it hurts, but some tough love is what's needed..

How old is your YSA? It is quite possible your bird is experiencing hormones for the first time and is entering birdie puberty. Larger parrots like amazons take quite a few years before they hit puberty, unlike smaller birds and other pets who become sexually mature within the first year or 2 of life. It can be quite surprising to unsuspecting owners who've had a sweet, well behaved bird for several years that "turns" without warning. The onset of puberty is typically the cause for otherwise happy healthy parrots to "randomly" start "becoming aggressive" and amazons are especially sensitive to the hormonal effects. Just like in human teenagers, the several year long process of becoming a sexually mature adult in combination with their body being flooded by totally new hormones they've not experienced before can cause them to lash out and test boundaries. Their hormones will balance out within few years and they become a mature adult bird. If handled properly, once a bird is a mature adult their hormone levels taper off and the nice bird you once knew returns. As a sexually mature adult, parrots will go through a once a year mating cycle where they become hormonal for a few weeks. With mature amazons, this typically occurs in late winter/early spring. Some individuals get it worse than others too (our BFA did, he was a nasty little such and such during puberty but is now a very mellow little guy most of the year and only slightly crabby during his mating season).
 
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I hope you are right, Kiwibird, but a few years, you said! (S)he is 9 years old, I've had her from a juve. She really took me by surprise, but I am learning about her every day. Thank you for the encouragement!
 
I hope you are right, Kiwibird, but a few years, you said! (S)he is 9 years old, I've had her from a juve. She really took me by surprise, but I am learning about her every day. Thank you for the encouragement!

I bet it is puberty/hormones. A little late, but some individuals are "late bloomers". And yes, parrot puberty lasts a few years. Not that they are satan incarnate for years but they can be a bit unpleasant at times on and off until the hormones settle into an annual cycle. Our BFA was 10 when we adopted him and he was going through the worst of his hormones at that time and he was a bad case. I can attest to the fact if you just stick with them through it, they really do mellow out and come out the other side a nicer bird;)

I'd guess you'll likely have a far lesser issues with a bird you've had since she was a baby and who's never been mistreated. Also, while the larger "hot 3" (DYH,YNA,BFA) amazons are notorious for hormonal aggression, the smaller guys like YSAs generally do not typically experience extreme puberty/hormonal issues like their larger cousins. Females tend to have fewer aggression issues than males. Be sure she is on a consistent 12 hour sleep/wake cycle, reduce fruit (the sugar!) and up veggies, keep seeds+nuts to a minimum (the fat content), keep an extra close eye on body language, reduce any physical contact (i.e. petting) and if she isn't already, train her to step up to a stick for times she is liable to bite your hand. Stick training is very important with amazons since it is a safe way to transport them when they are in a mood. You should also ignore any overtly sexual behavior. Do not scold her over it as it is perfectly natural/normal but do ignore her- say nothing and literally turn around and leave the room if possible. It may be a natural behavior but you also need to send a clear signal of your disinterest in being the birds mate.
 
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Mh Sammy is in there and HE WILL BE BACK !! Especially with your efforts, which are a beacon of persistence for parrot parents.
 
I hope you are right, Kiwibird, but a few years, you said! (S)he is 9 years old, I've had her from a juve. She really took me by surprise, but I am learning about her every day. Thank you for the encouragement!

I bet it is puberty/hormones. A little late, but some individuals are "late bloomers". And yes, parrot puberty lasts a few years. Not that they are satan incarnate for years but they can be a bit unpleasant at times on and off until the hormones settle into an annual cycle. Our BFA was 10 when we adopted him and he was going through the worst of his hormones at that time and he was a bad case. I can attest to the fact if you just stick with them through it, they really do mellow out and come out the other side a nicer bird;)

I'd guess you'll likely have a far lesser issues with a bird you've had since she was a baby and who's never been mistreated. Also, while the larger "hot 3" (DYH,YNA,BFA) amazons are notorious for hormonal aggression, the smaller guys like YSAs generally do not typically experience extreme puberty/hormonal issues like their larger cousins. Females tend to have fewer aggression issues than males. Be sure she is on a consistent 12 hour sleep/wake cycle, reduce fruit (the sugar!) and up veggies, keep seeds+nuts to a minimum (the fat content), keep an extra close eye on body language, reduce any physical contact (i.e. petting) and if she isn't already, train her to step up to a stick for times she is liable to bite your hand. Stick training is very important with amazons since it is a safe way to transport them when they are in a mood. You should also ignore any overtly sexual behavior. Do not scold her over it as it is perfectly natural/normal but do ignore her- say nothing and literally turn around and leave the room if possible. It may be a natural behavior but you also need to send a clear signal of your disinterest in being the birds mate.
Thanks, I suspect it's hormonal as well. And it appears from all the info gathered in the last few weeks, my "she" could be a "he"...lol. They are both on a strict 12-hour sleep cycle now..but I can't help but give her a little scratch head or kiss when I'm passing by. Thanks again for all the advice (y)
 
I hope you are right, Kiwibird, but a few years, you said! (S)he is 9 years old, I've had her from a juve. She really took me by surprise, but I am learning about her every day. Thank you for the encouragement!

I bet it is puberty/hormones. A little late, but some individuals are "late bloomers". And yes, parrot puberty lasts a few years. Not that they are satan incarnate for years but they can be a bit unpleasant at times on and off until the hormones settle into an annual cycle. Our BFA was 10 when we adopted him and he was going through the worst of his hormones at that time and he was a bad case. I can attest to the fact if you just stick with them through it, they really do mellow out and come out the other side a nicer bird;)

I'd guess you'll likely have a far lesser issues with a bird you've had since she was a baby and who's never been mistreated. Also, while the larger "hot 3" (DYH,YNA,BFA) amazons are notorious for hormonal aggression, the smaller guys like YSAs generally do not typically experience extreme puberty/hormonal issues like their larger cousins. Females tend to have fewer aggression issues than males. Be sure she is on a consistent 12 hour sleep/wake cycle, reduce fruit (the sugar!) and up veggies, keep seeds+nuts to a minimum (the fat content), keep an extra close eye on body language, reduce any physical contact (i.e. petting) and if she isn't already, train her to step up to a stick for times she is liable to bite your hand. Stick training is very important with amazons since it is a safe way to transport them when they are in a mood. You should also ignore any overtly sexual behavior. Do not scold her over it as it is perfectly natural/normal but do ignore her- say nothing and literally turn around and leave the room if possible. It may be a natural behavior but you also need to send a clear signal of your disinterest in being the birds mate.

April..I just PM'd 'Boats about hormones! It seem's that Amy as become quite vocal recently. As I have mentioned before,Amy isn't your "typical" Amazon..does NOT scream at all,but can be loud in human speak,which usually occurs in the am hours.
Lately he has been very vocal..I thought he was finally contact calling me in amazon speak. He mumble/squawk out something and I'd tell him "I'm right here Amy" and he answer again.When I showered today we were going back and forth for almost ten minutes. This also happened a few days ago.
Tonight,as I was playing vidiot games on the computer,he was sitting on the top rung of "his" chair,and was holding his arms ever so lightly out,and jiggling them. In the almost thirty years I don't ever recall him doing this.
Then when I read your post about adult amazon's getting randy in late winter,early spring..well..the weather HAS been unusually warm in my neck of the woods..I'm wondering if that is the reason/ Plus he has been doing the "lunge" thing from time to time when I approach his house...


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