Macaw vomiting and lung infection

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I've been wondering if the medicine might cause some of her symptoms, we'll see how it goes now that she's off all medication again.
About the learned behaviour, i doubt it honestly. but i can't be sure. If she would purposely regurgitate her food you would see her do that by movements. there are no movements now.

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They looked at the x-ray photo's and concluded that everything was normal except for one thing, one of her lungs was not perfectly visible, exactly at the place where she has those red sored on her stomach, so they concluded that thats where she's leaking a little bit and some body fluids trying to protect her insides are pushing onto her lung. (explains the shortness of breath).
So far i cant really be sure if she swallows any of her food on her own, i always have pellets, seeds, nuts and water in her cage and a few times a day i will offer her other things like mash or fruit etc.
Right now she's destroying a banana chip, but i'm not sure if she swallows it.

Every time i put food in her beak she just shakes it out, also with formula. i have to put it at the back of her throat in order for her to swallow it, also she pushes food out with her tounge if there is any formula leftover in her beak instead of swallowing it. I was wondering is this normal for an unweaned bird?

Also its really hard feeding her becouse she thinks my fingers are giving her food instead of the syringe, so when i put the syringe in her beak she stops bobbing her head, then grabs my finger again and bobs like crazy.
 
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Oh yea also i'm feeding her diffrent things now instead of formula to let her get used to the taste of diffrent food, the vet said that might help with her eating on her own. since she's no longer a really really young bird its pretty safe to feed other things now.
 
Will Jacky take food off a spoon if she is keen on fingers? Will be slower but she may be happier?

Is surgery on the cards as far as the vet is concerned?

The saving grace in all this is she is happy and playful.
 
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I tried feeding her with a spoon, she sees there's food on it so she bites the spoon but hold her bite very tight, i cant really get it at the back of her throat that way. so the result of spoonfeeding is just that my entire wall, chair, me and the bird are covered in whatever i'm feeding her.
It does help to open up her beak and put the spoon over her tounge but still no head bobbing :T

I fed her a mash of pellets 6 hours ago, and she's still holding it in. i'm not sure how much she got becouse i was trying to spoonfeed but i think it was about 30ml.
She's almost empty now.
But taking more than 6 hours to empty 30ml??? Maybe becouse they're pellets it takes longer?
Anyway, no vomit yet...
 
So i took him to another vet (certified one) for a second opinion.
They found pretty much the same thing as that scpecialist did i went to but they added a little information, his stomach is all red and irritated but there are very very small amounts of food leaking into his gut.
So they gave me something to protect his stomach, something to reduce stomach acid and a very expensive antibiotic that does not make him nauseas.

Sorry to hear Jacky's symptoms are recurring.

I can't help but believe the "stomach" redness and irritation is a huge clue. Is there some form of disease process with the lining or perhaps an irritation? Food allergy? Did the vet performing the endoscopy mention the specific area, ie crop, proventriculus, or gizzard? (Not sure if the scope the gizard)

I dont know the english word for it what the vet called it, in dutch its "kliermaag", its not his crop but what comes after that.
Google translate gave me this: glandular stomach
Not sure if its right.

I meant to post a diagram in my previous post. Sounds like he's describing the "proventriculus" that is between the crop and gizzard:

digestive_tract.jpg
 
I ma delighted to hear Jacky is eating better Martin. Bully, Bully for both of you!
 
yeah as I said learned behavior I though she wasn't doing movement, it was all internal now.

That spot between her lung/proventriculus area could certainly be the area at "fault", I think more irritant than anything cause her insides to eject the food, possibly something about the formula mix if that's the main thing causing the problems

good to hear the mash mix appears at least to be working now. Keeping all possible body parts crossed for you
 
Thanks for the update, keep them coming. Hope against hope that this works its way out in the next few weeks. You are a terrific parront to Jacky, she could not wish for better.
 
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I wasnt sure about this before but now i am, the morning feeding appears to cause the most vomiting.
Yesterday she kept 2 feedings inside, the last 2 of the day but now in the morning she vomited twice.
Any logic behind that?
 
yes, something concrete like that could definitely be a good link to what's happening. Routine things like that always help doctors learn what's happening
 
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I'll look for avian pro biotics when i can. maybe it will help.
I do thinks she's getting worse now because her crop is taking about 12 hours now to empty about 30ml of food...
she lost weight and is now 830gr
 
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The vet wanted to see if the vomiting would get less in the coming few days.
I'm going to give them a call first thing in the morning and talk to them about what to do next.
I did discover something interesting. Pellet mash is digested very slowly for some reason, when i feed her something like eggfood or formula her crop is emptying much faster, took about 3 / 4 hours to empty 30ml, but the pellets take about 10 hours with 30ml.
I'm not sure why this is, my eclectus is having no problem with this pellet mash.

Also i found this probiotic: https://www.vogelartikelenwebshop.nl/en/avian-biomin-5strain-probioticum-150g.html
Will that do?
 
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You can try some live natural low fat yoghurt. There is no user support/validation for your suggestion I am afraid. Anything given must be passed by the AV as I really want to help you and dear Jacky but have no wish to contribute to a push me pull you effect between my suggestions and your AV's.

Suggestions: https://www.beautyofbirds.com/aviculturedosage.html

Have you not thought about making a home made mash, something a bit lighter for Jacky to cope with?

Sweet potato base add perhaps two other ingredients? WDYT?

"Will that do?" We need better than 'do' Martin, I take this as one of those things that occur with language translation. Guess you are tired, frustrated, worried etc you have a lot of support here, if you need to vent?

Are you keeping daily notes of how Jacky is doing and with any weighings you made? What medications she has been given, which ones seemed to work. Useful to do this. Wonder also if the 20ml feedings ie go back to these, would be easier on Jacky?
 
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That's an interesting observation about the pellets...as if pellets aren't dissolving or digesting. Does it help to soak the pellets in apple juice? It would soften them and add needed calories. I didn't see the brand of pellet...Harrison's Bird Foods makes a very high quality pellet and they have some great parrot nutrition info on their website. And it's worrisome ... you might google PDD which is proventicular disease, and see if the description resonates with what you observe.

Also, here is some contact info for an excellent avian vet in California ... they might be able to consult with you or your vet for a reasonable fee, and getting advice from an experienced vet by phone or skype might be less expensive than many visits to a local vet who doesn't have the same depth of experience.
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