African Grey died less 2-3 from when we received him

[ParrotGenie]

Thanks for info.
We don't have an attorney yet, we did talked with two. But we are waiting on BBB, Attorney General and Consumer Protection investigation.

I will follow up with then. thanks

Kara was interest to learn about the necropsy results and to know what I would do....here is the last text from Kara before I received the results:

Kara: They have baby grey at that breeder in Texas
Me: No thanks, not yet.
Kara: Ok sorry trying to help
Me: We appreciate
Kara: The Neo Cropsey we had done
Kara: Came back nothing and not very clear
Me: What? Yours?
Me: Sorry, Dr said that it takes to 1-3 weeks... sometime 2.
Me: We missed him very much, the girls talks about him every day
Kara: We miss ours too that’s why we got a new baby

Kara: Since I didn’t have a contract or any paperwork I pretty much screwed myself so the breeder did not replace The bird do too I did not take the bird to the vet when I first got him in all states we have to 48 hours to get Vet checked for any bacteria is diseases or anything

Just for you to know, I learn about the 3 day thing to take to the Vet after, and from Kara, I had no idea I had to take Coco to the Vet, and there was not talk about this. Coco was my first bird, and Kara is the one to tel me when she called that since we did not have contact we did not have any case...How did Kara knew we did not have contract? I did not tell her when we start the conversation, she did let me talk. Also about the 3 days, Kara said it right way. I am glad this lady did not lat me talk.

Also Kara said she is just now finishing paying the breeder in GA $ 11K because they sue her.

Plus in order to find out if bird has PDD there is a procedure to complete not just blood work...who will guess to ask veterinary to this on first visit.

I do know it not your fault as know the history of this bird broker, as she not really a breeder very well unfortunately and EllenD lives literally in same state that the 2 warehouses are and works at a bird rescue in that area. So she knows these bird brokers and likely scammers very well.

Quick questions

1. Do have have other birds?
2. Did you have other birds die on you recently in the past year?
3. They claim Vet tested in listing? Did they give you any proof?
4. What tests did your vet do to determine to get a positive for PDD
5. Did you see undigested food in poo?

Facts

1. Yes PDD is a series of different test procedures. If they test positive for ADV, or PDD in any of the tests the bird has it.
2. If you didn't have any birds in the past year, then no way it is your fault the bird had ADV before you received the bird and being it progress to PDD. He likely had it for a while. For ABV to pass over to other birds it shred through bird fecal matter. They would have to be right next to each other in same cage pretty much. The virus from what I know is not air transmitted like PBFD.
3.The clogs disease in the arteries is not something that happens in 3 months. That take years. Tell Kara to explain that to you? Good luck in her explaining it to court?

My advise like I stated very early on. Retain a attorney and have them advise on legal recourse and start.

You would likely win if you have proof that they had any of the two, as bird was clearly very sick way before you received it. Plus tell Kara it not on the car and the 48 hours rule doesn't work. Matter fact tell her it doesn't just fall under the 2 year consumer protection, but fall under fraud, hence the bait and switch and happened to be a very sick bird way before you received it. Good luck in them explaining that one away in court?

As stated by me and now a couple others stated. Retain a attorney and get start getting legal advise

Don't worry last person that tried what Kara did and try to sue me, i ended up wining triple and cost back what I originally was trying to get? It doesn't work and she does not have a leg to stand on.

To prove "libel" as it written, this would have to be not true? Then you have to be a competitor, or have a reason to slander her. Her selling you a very sick bird the the vet confirm, is not slander and your not her competitor. You have the right to write a honest review and request your money and medical expenses.

The physical threatened bodily harm and toward your family is a crime in itself and I would file a police report immediately. I know she bluffing, she stupid, but not that stupid, the more paper tail the better when you go to court

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

We have other bird, Kira, they stayed in separated caged as recomenda to us. We took Kira to the avian Dr her blood work done all normal, Dr said she is very healthy. She was not rescue bird. Family had her for 22 years and they said they never lost any bird for any deseases. They guarantee her healthy.

Kira arrived to our home week before Coco.

I was told Kira is about 22-25 years old, the avian Dr said she look great. I requested DND on Kira just to know if she is female, the family who sold her is local, very nice family and they are welcome to come see her if they want too. Her cage is old too, the Kira's prior owner gave us the cage and we haven't replace since she is used to with this one and is big one.

 

[ParrotGenie]

I would advise you to contact a attorney to get the ball rolling. You can make one last attempt in negotiating cost and medical expensive back, but I would just let the attorney deal with it. As they have way more experience in dealing with idiots like this. Scammers from experience are always way to defensive and likely to play dirty.

In other words you been way to nice to them

 

[ParrotGenie]

We have other bird, Kira, they stayed in separated caged as recomenda to us. We took Kira to the avian Dr her blood work done all normal, Dr said she is very healthy. She us not rescue bird. Family had her for 22 years and they said they never lost any bird for any deseases.

Kira arrived to our home week before Coco.

I was told Kira is about 22-25 years old, the avian Dr said she look great. I requested DND on Kira just to know if she is female, the family who sold her is local, very nice family and they are welcome to come see her if they want too.

This is why you have to do 30 day quarantine in separate room, or some do separate home/building when you bring a new bird to your flock and get them tested within a week of getting them. I do a week later to vet not to stress them as much as first 48 hours is to hard on the bird due to stress of a new home and travel and I do 30 day quarantine. At least you kept them in separate cages, so likely ABV won't pass over as they would have pretty much had to be in direct contact, or same cage. Do have her retested.

You need more then blood work (CBC) , get a PCR done. Droppings, feathers, and blood. It good to do a and if you haven't already might as will check for Psittacine beak and feather disease (PBFD) as well. Don't ever take anyone word for it, always just spend the extra and have them tested and do full tests and even X-ray and Wellness check as well and this way you also have a baseline as well. Most avian vet have a package deal with blood work, but you will have to pay extra for the ABV , PBFD tests and X-rays. This will help your case as proof it didn't come from your bird and also the fact that Coco put your other Kira at risk due to bird broker negligence. This is something that will likely come up. Get this done now!!

Make sure you get F10SC ask to see if vet has a gallon available for sale and clean the cage and whole area Coco was in and let the F10SC have 10 minutes contact time with surfaces and cage, follow the bottle instruction in mixing. It very important, as you don't want this virus spreading to your other bird that goes in that cage. It shredded through fecal matter, but always better to be safe then sorry.

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

Ok,
Kira came with her own cage. We bought other for Coco.

Coco's cage still in the garage since then.

Yes, the vet checked Kira special knowing her risk. I will ask her for whatever we need in order to clean his cage. Also Coco had his on taxi...to take to the vet, I used the one he came with it and Kira has her own too. Will post Kira's pic later.

 

[LordTriggs]

definitely get yourself an attorny because you've got a heck of a case here.

Openly threatening you alone is enough to land them in trouble. Also on top of this you've got simple trade laws where you were given a "product" that was not what was advertised, you paid for a newly weaned baby grey but instead got an adult between 6-8 years of age.

Also seeing as she does not know the age of Coco this means she's not followed CITES regulations. I can't quote laws there specifically but over here at least selling an animal listed on the CITES endangered list without the A2 certificate and a hatch certificate is classed as illegal trafficking. Like I say I can't quote the law over there not knowing it but having an attorney on board and informing CITES makes for a good case here. The swap of the bird you paid for initially with that piece of evidence should be enough in a small claims court to force her to give the money back you paid. The rest on top should work up to a possible conviction and potential ban on keeping any parrots and ban on selling livestock.

I would cease speaking to her immediately and just get an attorney. Keep all evidence from your phone back up as images and don't delete anything, keep all paperwork regarding him (vet bills, all the blood tests and comments, everything)

Hopefully with an attorney on your side and all the evidence you might finally be able to get her operation shut down once and for all.

Also I would hold off on involving local media until you speak to an attorney and get their opinion on whether you should, potentially doing so could hurt a case against her so I would speak to a legal representative first

 

[ParrotGenie]

Please upload the vet report as well. It helps as she could claim it a scam, you have to look at it from the seller side as well. This was off her facebook. Could have been a legitimate scam with that person on Facebook thread, as there are people that actually do this unfortunately. The more proof you have the better. Just leave out the address and personal info.

https://www.facebook.com/PoconoAna/...er-or-store-they-sign-their-/569702629806771/

You have too look at both sides and cover everything and look at every angle?

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

She has copy of hospital bill and the necropsy report. I will try upoalod today. She knows both documents are real. Plus the hospital who took care Coco doesn't need this type of attention, they love pets, and what they do. We are very pleased how they took care of Coco. I copied past as exactly the way was written on it.

 

[ParrotGenie]

She has copy of hospital bill and the necropsy report. I will try upoalod today. She knows both documents are real. Plus the hospital who took care Coco doesn't need this type of attention, they love pets, and what they do. We are very pleased how they took care of Coco.

Just leave address and phone out, it so others can see it real and not a scam, which she could claim down the road, like she done before. Plus anyone researching them looking to buy a parrot can see this thread down the road and know complaint and review is real and legitimate and hard for her to say otherwise when proof involve.

I know how these people think as dealt with all types.

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

Coco's necropsy report was completed by:

ZOO/Exotic Pathology Service
6020 Rutland Dr, #14
Carmichael, CA 95608

Coco was care by: Texas Avian and Exotic Hospital, Grapevine, TX.

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

About attorney we are waiting on response from BBB, attorney general from PA and consumer protection. We received letters and they are working on.

 

[Kiwibird]

Glad that this operation is being investigated from multiple angles and that an attorney is now involved.

 

[noodles123]

We have other bird, Kira, they stayed in separated caged as recomenda to us. We took Kira to the avian Dr her blood work done all normal, Dr said she is very healthy. She was not rescue bird. Family had her for 22 years and they said they never lost any bird for any deseases. They guarantee her healthy.

Kira arrived to our home week before Coco.

I was told Kira is about 22-25 years old, the avian Dr said she look great. I requested DND on Kira just to know if she is female, the family who sold her is local, very nice family and they are welcome to come see her if they want too. Her cage is old too, the Kira's prior owner gave us the cage and we haven't replace since she is used to with this one and is big one.

A common CBC will not detect PDD or PBFD---just to be safe, have you had Kira tested, because if you take this route, I bet you a million dollars they will ask.

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

We checked Kira, and avian Dr said she is very healthy and we will have no issues to run any more tests. We have Médico record for Kira, microchip, registered, and anything to keep her healthy and happy will be welcome.

Will figure out later how to fix the picture.

We just got this picture.

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

Coco may not be the bird we purchased, but things happened for a reason. We loved him, and we wish we could have saved him.

When we asked the Dr about he never been able to climb the cage, she said that Coco looked like based on his condition a bird that was kept in very small cage, with no room, and this is why he could not even fly.

This bad living conditions could be the reason of his heart condition as well.

 

[ParrotGenie]

Coco may not be the bird we purchased, but things happened for a reason. We loved him, and we wish we could have saved him.

When we asked the Dr about he never been able to climb the cage, she said that Coco looked like based on his condition a bird that was kept in very small cage, with no room, and this is why he could not even fly.

This bad living conditions could be the reason of his heart condition as well.

He was never able to climb the cage bars when you received him? That actually likely due to the ABV he had as does cause progressive neurological decline. They use lose the ability to fly and other motor skill, plus problems with balance even. Then she knew he was very sick from day one before sending him to you. That why she don't really sell parrots locally anymore and really only ships as EllenD stated. She a 100% scammed you this isn't a accident, she dump him off on you. I wish you came here earlier when you first received him. I need that vet report.

Get your other bird a full PCR tests done, if your current vet won't do tests find another vet that will. The standard CBC blood count is not enough as that only go over the overall health currently. You want to get your current bird retested as it will likely come up and you need to prove it is how you received Coco. Plus you want to make sure virus didn't pass on to your current bird. ABV doesn't show signs till it turn to PDD and some birds could get ABV and only be a carrier and never progresses and bird could be 100% healthy and never show signs. I am shock your current Avian Vet don't know this?

Coco not being able to climb and fly is likely a result of the ABV not just being in a small cage.

Neurological Signs

Bornavirus not only has the potential to attack the nerves in your parrot’s digestive system, it is quite likely to destroy nerves in other areas, particularly the bird’s brain and spinal cord. Signs of that destruction can appear suddenly or as a gradual decline. Parrots with his form of PDD may just appear weak, or they may loose their ability to stay on the perch, walk, or just appear clumsy. Also loose ability to fly. One leg or wing or both might be equally affected. Head tremors and shaking might occur and, occasionally, these birds suffer from personality changes or seizures.

Exactly why this occurs is not yet known. Some virus cause disease by actually destroying cells. But there are a few that cause the release of body chemicals that cause the pet’s own immune system to rush to the area causing a chronic inflammation that eventually destroys the body’s own tissue. The most common virus of that type that veterinarians struggle with is the coronavirus of cats responsible for feline infectious peritonitis (FIP). Avian bornavirus may well be another.

You may have notice this as well

PDD the first signs may notice is a lack of activity in their parrot, disinterest in its environment and a sleepy attitude. I think of them as having a generalized bedraggled look. When handled, it is usually quite apparent that they have lost weight in their breast area, which one of your gain weight? These parrots usually continue to eat — but as the disease progresses, often notice that their stools have changed. What was once a homogeneous greenish stool is now gritty with undigested food particles and seeds. These parrots often begin to regurgitate (vomit). In some, their crops become visibly enlarged

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

Like I said, I thought her reviews was real. I trust her reviews and she was nice at first.

 

[ParrotGenie]

Like I said, I thought her reviews was real. I trust her reviews and she was nice at first.

Scammers usually always create fake accounts and leave reviews for themselves, or use friends and family to do reviews for them. You can't trust most the reviews out there? You can tell by how she uses almost the same comments it her, she doesn't even do a good job in covering the fact it the same person writing the reviews? Reading her reviews and how she praises herself and strong wording towards herself, that she maybe a psychopath, or other behavior disorders, she shows the most the traits with her actions as well, if not all?

 

[Scott]

Unfortunately sociopaths have the twisted ability to fabricate and portray an ideal situation, pitched to the more trusting of us. Happy to see you have an attorney working the case, hope it can be leveraged to state attorney-general level to bring some serious heat on the perpetrators. Shutting down the operation and heavily sanctioning the owners/accomplices would be justice delivered.

 

[AfricanGreyCoco]

Can you imagine how danger airline policy like Delta Cargo can put a lots people and other pets in danger when they decided to accept just a company form, or business say regards the pets when ship to other locations...like Delta vet said most the time you look at the pets looks fine, what it is not? What if the illness is not showing yet but can spread while in the cargo!!! Very scare and airlines need to change policy in order to help this issues.