Unrelated Yellow Naped Pair

[Kuwait]

I have 5 Years male hatched on (2008)
Unknown Female age.

since 6 months ago I have put them in one small cage in processing for mating.
he always Kissing and foreplay but she still scared of him.
while there are no assault fighting between them

What should I do in order to motivate them to mating as soon as possible

 

[henpecked]

Welcome to the forum. I breed napes and offer this advice, it takes time,time and usually more time. 1st, they are kind of young. My birds don't normally lay until they are about 8-10 yrs old and their first attempts usually fail to produce chicks. They'll get it right after a few trys. Are you pulling eggs and incubating or are the parents sitting? 2nd ,they usually only breed once a year so don't expect them to breed just because they're in a cage together. 3rd do they have a nest box? What type ? Give them several choices and see which they prefer.4th, Are there other zons in their view? If my breeder cages are with in sight of each other i have to put barricades between pairs. I also put unrlated species between similar species. OWAs between any similar Yellow fronts (Napes,DYHs,YCs) . DYHs and napes seem to be the worst about this. They can hear each other but not see each other. 5th is diet, breeders won't lay until all conditions are right and they need a fat reserve to lay. I could write a book about breeding zons but won't do it here. keep trying to see what works for you and pay close attention. keep researching , humidity (low is best) daylight (50/50) and supplying soft woods to stimulate chewing to prep nest cavities. There's a hundred thing but i'll keep it short.

PS this is not a popular topic on a companion bird forum so don't expect all replies to be friendly. But, even breeder birds should have a right to be kept in the best conditions possible. happy birds make better breeders. BTW just because you have male/female doesn't mean they are a compatible pair. I've put many pairs together that didn't work, you need the right birds together. IMO flight cages need to be 4'x4' and 6'long at a minimum.

 

[Kuwait]

Thank you for providing appropiate solutions counseling and full explaination of the subject




In fact I know that the small cage is not suitable for breeding but in my vision i'm doing that to press on the pair to get mating in close area, specially while female scared of the male.
Please advice if that behavior is normal for the female also if she's not young & ready for breed ?




actually I have a faith to let the parents incubating the eggs & the pulling of chicks after 2-3 weeks


Is it possible to explain more about those points
- fat reserve to lay without getting overweight
- daylight (50/50)
- supplying soft woods to stimulate chewing to prep nest cavities.



As per my information that the daylight must be 14-16 hrs daily




BTW I have another proven pairs but they layyed infertile eggs on March, because of branches were very high in the cage
Now I guess they are preparing for the next layying in this few weeks


Finally if you could give some more information & ideas or advises about the breeding zone i'll be very thanks full for that



Thanks alot again, with my best regards.

 

[JerseyWendy]

Do you possible have some photos of your setup so that henpecked (Richard) can help you better?

 

[henpecked]

I would not be changing cage or their locations. Put them now in the cage you want them to breed in with the nest box. Breeding zons do not like changes of any kind. Have the routine in place that you plan to keep. When you feed, when you visit , etc.

laying birds won't be over weight. It takes a lot of stored energy to make good eggs.

50/50 daylight means equal about of light and dark. Yellow Napes live very close to the equator where the sun rises and sets about the same time all year.

Low humidity,, napes breed during the dry season in their native habitat. Which means they eat seeds and nut that are high in fat .During nesting season you should not feed fruit/veggies, feed the high fat nuts and seeds or a HiPro pellet. Of course you can't keep them on that diet all year so return back to their healthy diet after nesting season. They also are cavity nesters and rains will drown the babies in their nest. The onset of rainy season is the same time as the young are fleghling and fruits, greens are most common, making it easier for them to find their own food.

Chewing soft woods ,,, stimulates the males and females because in the wild they would be preparing their nest cavity by enlarging the opening and linig the nest, Amazon do not carry nest materials to their nest, they use the wood surrrounding the nest cavity. Also having other zons insight just before nesting will stimulate the males as he would be defending the nest site from others in the wild. HOWEVER the other zons should be out of sight while nesting so he isn't occupied with the outside birds when he should be minding the hen.

It's about impossible for me to comment on the age of your hen. Most times a good and ready hen will be the one start the mating by displaying for the male or attepting to get infront/under the male. male shouldn't be too much larger than the hen and should not have too sharp of claws, both of these situations can lead to infertile eggs.

A bit about mating, even out of season a pair of bonded zons will mate during the year. It's a form of bonding and keeping their relationship intact, much like preening. Just because they are mating doesn't mean they are about to lay eggs. If the mating is occuring in the AM then it doesn't mean much but if it starts to occur several times a day then, your get close to time and the visual barriers to other birds needs to be in place.

If you need more info ,just ask. But like i said i don't want or have time to write a book about breeding zons. You need to find a mentor in your area. Good luck ,Richard (capt and Jake the YN)

 

[Kuwait]

Hello,

Here's some pics...I hope it can helps

 

[Featheredsamurai]

That cage is shockingly small, it looks like a travel cage.

When people breed parrots they need a aviary

or at the very least a proper sized cage

You will also need

• High quality pellets like this click here

• fresh food daily, healthy and varied fresh veggies and chop mixes

• As well as a wealth of knowledge on behavior, body language, parrot toys, and all the dangers our birds face from their enviroment as well as one another.

Before you even consider breeding first get your birds in the right type of set up, get them on a proper diet, read read read, learn how to hand feed just in case, save up emergency money, get a gram scale and weigh your birds regularly, take them to a avian certified vet for a new bird check up and get blood work done - basically make sure they are even healthy enough to even breed, and learn as much as you can.

 

[henpecked]

A couple of things. I think your hen is a mature parvipes and your male is a young (immature)auropalliata. Not that i have a problem with the cross breeding , but it is what it is. All of this is assumed from my interpretation of your pics. It's had to guess sex based on pictures and i'm going "out on a limb". But that's my gut feelings . I'll post more later when i have a few moments. BTW i have been known to be wrong about guessing sex based on a picture, LOL.

 

[Kuwait]

Thanks for your advise & sharing us some information

This cage I just put the birds inside to get some clear pictures ... regarding the food... I give them some Zupreem & Versle Laga Pallets ... Sprouted Mix ... fresh Viggies & Fruits.

As per my information that the toys may let the pair busy instead breeding & mating.

Regds,

 

[Kuwait]

A couple of things. I think your hen is a mature parvipes and your male is a young (immature)auropalliata. Not that i have a problem with the cross breeding , but it is what it is. All of this is assumed from my interpretation of your pics. It's had to guess sex based on pictures and i'm going "out on a limb". But that's my gut feelings . I'll post more later when i have a few moments. BTW i have been known to be wrong about guessing sex based on a picture, LOL.

Yes, You are correct regarding the species & guessing sex
but the male aged about 5 years so that means he must be mature also


some other times the hen prevent the male to courtship & kissing..She's scared all the day but in the (sleep time) she's stay with him on the branch


I'll get some video soon.

With my best Regds,

 

[MikeyTN]

The toys does NOT stop birds from breeding & mating, that's a false assumption!!!!

I'm trying not to comment on this post, BUT if they were just in the cage for picture taking, why is bottom tray have bunch of poop and why is the feed dishes have food in it? IF I were just to take pictures of them in a cage, I wouldn't need all that. Plus I can take pictures in a big cage just as good as a small cage and I've posted them before.

To me your main purpose is to learn all about breeding, not really about the birds. You should understand the birds FIRST before getting into breeding. I've done it for 16 years so yes I've bred before but at least I understand my birds.

 

[Kuwait]

The toys does NOT stop birds from breeding & mating, that's a false assumption!!!!

I'm trying not to comment on this post, BUT if they were just in the cage for picture taking, why is bottom tray have bunch of poop and why is the feed dishes have food in it? IF I were just to take pictures of them in a cage, I wouldn't need all that. Plus I can take pictures in a big cage just as good as a small cage and I've posted them before.

To me your main purpose is to learn all about breeding, not really about the birds. You should understand the birds FIRST before getting into breeding. I've done it for 16 years so yes I've bred before but at least I understand my birds.

how do you expect that it's not
I got the pictures at home so I have to give them some food while transfered into small cage
So I guess your expectation was wrong
Also regarding the knowledge I already got 70% of it, But also I need to know more & more...etc

 

[JerseyWendy]

since 6 months ago I have put them in one small cage in processing for mating.

^^^^^^^^^^^
Well you DID say you put them into a small cage, and the pictures you posted were exactly that.

 

[MikeyTN]

How do you measure the knowledge about birds? I wouldn't measure myself saying I have certain percentage on parrot knowledge cause there is always something to learn. Plus there's a TON to learn!!!

 

[Wdlodge]

Ok I know absolutely nothing about breeding, but that cage is so small... My lil Sennie, "sleeps" in a cage that size. I couldn't imagine having two amazons in that size of a cage day in day out. And the female is afraid? Would a female breed under those conditions even if mature, etc?

 

[henpecked]

The OP said he put them in that cage to photo. The cage is clean, i have no reason to doubt hes word. The OP is here to learn about why his zons aren't breeding. I've outlined many things so far including the cage requiriments. He's learning , don't beat him up! Personally ,I think he should pay me tons of money to travel there and help him out! LOL. Anyway, Hopefully he'll be back , and we can help those birdies out. If you find breeding upsetting ,, just tune this thread out. Peace

 

[Kuwait]

I believe that this site to take advantage and increase information and exchange of experiences and not to non-helpful comments

It is noted the large number of side chatter

While you have no useful information on the subject
I hope not to interfere in the affairs of others

I think I mentioned already that they are in the process of mating and not at the stage of reproduction so there is difference between them

As for the reproduction stage, I know that this is not enough space for breed.

And if you do not you encourage people to raise production, only Please mention on this matter even looking for other people who have the experience and advice actually



Dear brother henpecked,

Thanks for understanding & I really appreciate that for you

 

[henpecked]

No big deal, PM me if you wish, it's not so Public.

 

[MikeyTN]

I believe that this site to take advantage and increase information and exchange of experiences and not to non-helpful comments

It is noted the large number of side chatter

While you have no useful information on the subject
I hope not to interfere in the affairs of others

I think I mentioned already that they are in the process of mating and not at the stage of reproduction so there is difference between them

As for the reproduction stage, I know that this is not enough space for breed.

And if you do not you encourage people to raise production, only Please mention on this matter even looking for other people who have the experience and advice actually



Dear brother henpecked,

Thanks for understanding & I really appreciate that for you

If you wish others not to comment please do so in prvt! This is a open forum not your personal forum! I comment cause I do have breeding experience. But I personally don't agree with what your saying. But that's just me!

 

[Kuwait]

MikeyTN

Please note that there is no person on the planet is born and he knows everything


if you really have experience in breeding , I hope you can support the people... give more advices & information to let them doing the right things, not to frustrate , defeat

Any way please take advantage of this brotherly advice and taking into consideration during this topic

Thanks & Regds,