Quakers living with GCCs?

[clark_conure]

Oh on veggies, clark liked the pepper as I knew she would the quaker was um........

Broccoli they both ate a bit.

tomorrow doing carrots and cauliflower. I bought a medley fresh veggie thing.

 

[clark_conure]

I got the DNA results back from the owner....it is a girl. I may have to give it back to the breeder in a buyback as clark just cannot get to close to the quaker without getting jealous.

I'm giving it to then of he week, if they can't find common ground I'm going to have to return. She did say I could get a male from their next brood.

 

[Laurasea]

awww...bummer....
As yiu know, no guarantees with a male either...
I think can work , but I do things differently from you.
Prayers you make progress

 

[noodles123]

Even a male is still going to be a risk-- You can try, but no matter the gender, when it comes to birds getting along, it often is based on the individuals (granted, sometimes sex can impact this, it is not a deciding factor as far as compatibility)


Often times, regardless of sex, you will have a jealous bird if the bird has bonded with you.

 

[Laurasea]

If you haven't, try really making over Clark. Really spoil, praise, reassuring, spend extra time with her. Might help

 

[clark_conure]

I know.

And it sucks....
But like tonight was a good night.

I think with a male she might be more interested, worth a shot down the line. Nights like tonight it makes me think it would be ok, but Clark even though she liked zod, was always jealous.

 

[noodles123]

I know.

And it sucks....
But like tonight was a good night.

I think with a male she might be more interested, worth a shot down the line. Nights like tonight it makes me think it would be ok, but Clark even though she liked zod, was always jealous.

That's the thing-- if you are your bird's mate (in his/her mind) it is not uncommon for ever other bird getting attention from you to seem like an interloper.

 

[clark_conure]

The bad part is we have a bond now. Clark wanted to go to bed around 5 and so after she was tucked in I kept the quaker up a bit more, she sat on me and crunched her beak and relaxed and hung out and just snuggled.

It really, really sucks. By Friday I'll have to decide. I'm only gonna see if they squabble for four more days. Nights like tonight give me hope, but I have strong doubts.

 

[noodles123]

The bad part is we have a bond now. Clark wanted to go to bed around 5 and so after she was tucked in I kept the quaker up a bit more, she sat on me and crunched her beak and relaxed and hung out and just snuggled.

It really, really sucks. By Friday I'll have to decide. I'm only gonna see if they squabble for four more days. Nights like tonight give me hope, but I have strong doubts.

I mean, YOU CAN make it work with one bird (and as you know, never get a bird for a bird--it does sound like you want this for you though). I know it sucks-- I sometimes (in very strange/demented moments lol!!!-- not that I really have any extra time) think I might want another too, but then I worry about what that could do to Noodles (and what would happen if/when they needed separate time, as she is my life already). There is really just no way of knowing


I think it is possible that you might find a bird that works, but the risk is all of the stress on the birds coming in and out, as well as potential disease exposure to your current bird (as well as to those entering your home, due to the potential that your bird could also be a silent carrier of disease)...If you are trying this with babies, that is another issue in theory, as they change a lot at puberty, so what you see is not what you get in the long run.


I am pretty decidedly a one-bird home these days--- because I just have no idea...I actually think Noodles might end up liking a new bird WAY more than it actually likes her ha!

 

[Laurasea]

As a mom to 3 quaker 1 GCC and 3 budgies, im fir sure it can work. How you handle introduction is a big part. Even when I had issues with Ta-dah and Penny, it took time...I can't remember 6 months??? But tgey really fo fine now, out at the same time, sitting on me at the same time . They stay apart never right next to each other.

But parrots are individuals, and Cksrk may not be tolerant.

But you showed them feeding each other... but then said you allowed some squabbles...
SO I'm unsure what they are doing now?
What is Clark doing, how is she expressing her unhappiness? How are you doing postive reinforcement?
My Ta-dah is totally easy to bribe.... lol and she can get jealous. We have mommy and me time , just her and me, every evening for about an hour. That keeps her confident abd loved.. she is also always the bird I get out first, and the last I put awsy any time I hsve them out if the cages.

Anyway hoping for the best

 

[clark_conure]

Next time it will be a known male, if this doesn't course correct I still have to hope.

After that, that's the end...clark has been with me for like 4 years. This is her forever home, no changing that.

 

[clark_conure]

I would normally agree, but clark was always jealous of zod to some extent even though they would literally preen each other. I'm sure it would get better over time, but how much time.

 

[Laurasea]

can you describe what Clark is doing?,
My suggestion, put the cages on opposite sides of the room. Get Clark out first every day, fuss over her, jolly her up. Put her at a station. Then get out the quaker, and place at a differnt spot at least 3 feet apart. Go back and forth with treats. Prevent charging, inuse sn envelope. Have Clark on you and feed treats while you sit near quaker. Walk aw a y with Clark, then walk back give treats to Clark when come near the quaker again abd praise her. Repeat zillion times. Then try and have thrm each on their own perches about a foot and half apart you in the middle, treats and praise to each. Then put the quaker away furst and spend time with Clark. Then put her up too. Wait and go back and get Clsrk out first and Repeat.
Those are my ideas I hope they help

 

[Laurasea]

This is from a member of tge forum from a few years ago.

" The best advice I can give you is how we 'teach' the birds at the shelter to at the very least, tolerate each other. Birds will always have opinions in who they like best, but you can 'teach' them to get along. (I am putting teach in inverted commas here, as you can't really teach them, you can associate treats with being around that particular bird. (; )

Try to limit inter-bird interaction to around 15-20 minutes. During this time, feed many treats to both birds, and repeat this for around about two weeks, or however long it takes for the birds to associate treats with each other. (this doesn't have to be every day).

After you're confident that the birds won't hurt or attack each other, try putting the treat in a food bowl where the birds have to ''share' the treats. If one bird lunges or shows annoyance, move them to another play stand/perch. Hopefully at least two of your birds will do this, therefore showing the troublesome bird that getting along = treats. Try gain the next day.

This process is all about repetition and slow introduction. I would say that here at the shelter, this method works around about 75 - 85% of the time. If it doesn't work for you (as it all depends on your birds) there are certainly other ways, but this is probably the easiest and best for the birds. Hope that all your birds get along nicely and become a big, happy flock!"

 

[clark_conure]

can you describe what Clark is doing?,
My suggestion, put the cages on opposite sides of the room. Get Clark out first every day, fuss over her, jolly her up. Put her at a station. Then get out the quaker, and place at a differnt spot at least 3 feet apart. Go back and forth with treats. Prevent charging, inuse sn envelope. Have Clark on you and feed treats while you sit near quaker. Walk aw a y with Clark, then walk back give treats to Clark when come near the quaker again abd praise her. Repeat zillion times. Then try and have thrm each on their own perches about a foot and half apart you in the middle, treats and praise to each. Then put the quaker away furst and spend time with Clark. Then put her up too. Wait and go back and get Clsrk out first and Repeat.
Those are my ideas I hope they help

They get along fine alone as far as I know.

On the shower rail....fine

on separate shoulders and I dote on clark. ok.

Quaker changes shoulder to clarks shoulder if I completely eyeball both and I watch, more or less ok.

Quaker comes over and I don't watch clark cobra strike.

quaker land on clark cage, ignores.

clark on quaker cage, ignores.

early morning, get clark out early ok, get the quaker a half hour later I sit before I go to shower must attack. Later on shower rail, it's ok.

Basically it's all about me but both birds just love me and neither can accept I can love two birds.

The quaker like to encroach.....like both ARE trying for my affection. I always get clark out first and spend time but it's only hours later it's like mmmm ok for now.

 

[clark_conure]

This is from a member of tge forum from a few years ago.

" The best advice I can give you is how we 'teach' the birds at the shelter to at the very least, tolerate each other. Birds will always have opinions in who they like best, but you can 'teach' them to get along. (I am putting teach in inverted commas here, as you can't really teach them, you can associate treats with being around that particular bird. (; )

Try to limit inter-bird interaction to around 15-20 minutes. During this time, feed many treats to both birds, and repeat this for around about two weeks, or however long it takes for the birds to associate treats with each other. (this doesn't have to be every day).

After you're confident that the birds won't hurt or attack each other, try putting the treat in a food bowl where the birds have to ''share' the treats. If one bird lunges or shows annoyance, move them to another play stand/perch. Hopefully at least two of your birds will do this, therefore showing the troublesome bird that getting along = treats. Try gain the next day.

This process is all about repetition and slow introduction. I would say that here at the shelter, this method works around about 75 - 85% of the time. If it doesn't work for you (as it all depends on your birds) there are certainly other ways, but this is probably the easiest and best for the birds. Hope that all your birds get along nicely and become a big, happy flock!"

Actually when they go for food they can be side by side, always plenty.

It's always about me. On my shoulder or after or before my shoulder.

It might have been easier if the bird didn't bond so easily..... Good Quaker. Bad situation.

 

[clark_conure]

I Want it to work I love this quaker....but I can't have 1 or two birds both in a bullying situation.

 

[Laurasea]

It sounds like you are very close to having this work. But you need to do more managing , and architecture of their interaction right now,
work at preventing these attacks, abd situationsfir now. Going back to basics and layering the positive associations. From all I keep reading , people are sharing the same ideas that worked for me and that I shared. You can't start out where you expect to finish, you have to work towards it. I'd do a re start.
Trained Parrot Blog - How to Introduce Parrots to Get Along

 

[clark_conure]

I do have one idea, but no one on here would approve.

If they wouldn't let me sleep during day I'd put both zod and clark in the cage and lock it, and I'd find them just sitting beside each other in clarks zone.

The difference was they would both kind be mad at me. I may try it once but not sleep but be able to respond in seconds..... if all of a sudden they start allopreening then maybe maybe maybe.takes me out of the equation. And I can fast response to grab either bird.

 

[Laurasea]

I Want it to work I love this quaker....but I can't have 1 or two birds both in a bullying situation.

I know you do!!! And I'm cheerleader for you guys!!

Parrots and for sure Clark are good at reading us. She can pick up on your tension. Try and hold in your mind that this will work, and guide them to your goals.

Maybe add target training.. relationship take time... Tadah and Neptune took time. Penny and Pikachu took almost a year to become buddies. Orbit isn't buddies with anyone but doesn't fight with anyone either

Anyway I shared my tips and im rooting for you!!