My Son Passed Yesterday

[Farnoosh]

Hello conure lovers, this is my first post.

My sun conure had an accident yesterday morning while I was sleeping.
He was chasing after my mom.
He was fully feathered and not trimmed.
No idea how he hit the staircase, or maybe the floor, that's so not like him.
He broke his neck.
He stayed up for a few minutes just to see me for the last time.
I could not save him.
He died peacefully in my hands.
Me and my mom are beyond devastated.
Don't wanna believe this is real.
He is the first ever thing who calls me by the name daddy, I treated him like my son. He made me so happy.
He understands my language and my emotions
Accompanied me through the hardest moments in my life until after I got my PhD.
He is 1 year and 2 months old, spent 11 months with us.
We buried him in my backyard, a nice deep and sturdy stone grave with flowers on top, to make sure no raccoons can dig him out.

Maybe my parrot was indeed my son in my previous life. He came to see me in this life and went back to heaven after he served his purpose as the Lord summoned him. I am not religious.
I remember the day when I got him from the pet store, he willingly flew onto my shoulder as soon as the worker there opened the cage for me. There were a bunch of other birds inside and he was the only one who came to me.
He was 3 months old, and was able to say daddy without anyone teaching him. he did that within two weeks of settling in my house.
He was gifted, and so loved by us. We made sure we took the best care of him everyday. We miss him dearly.

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This is so extremely heartbreaking. I am so deeply sorry for your loss. I understand the heartbreak completely. Your story touched me, and I can't help but get tears in my eyes right now just feeling the sentiment. Yes, I do feel from everything you say that he was your son in a past life. When my bird Daisy passed away, I experienced also some very strange things that made me believe in things I never had before with my left brain. I used to call her my little sister. You had a very special connection with your bird and that is truly a gift from the universe that not everyone has the privilege to experience. Sending blessing to that sweet beautiful soul and healing for your heart.

 

[Farnoosh]

Maybe it's not healthy to keep wanting my son to come back to me after his passing. I should instead encourage my son to get on his next journey. I will do a small ritual for him this coming Sunday.
I believe my son has protected my family, and his sacrifice earned him a huge amount of good karma. According to Buddhism, those with the best karma will reincarnate as human. I hope my son will do so and I look forward to seeing him one day.

Funny – I don't know about Buddhism but I had a dream once that the innocent human souls come back to life as birds. In ancient Persian mysticism, birds are heavenly creatures, unlike any other living creature, and they are pure souls. They are also said to be the messengers of heaven.

 

[Farnoosh]

I’m so sad to read your message.

Birds are definitely little persons who uniquely bond with us. My very old Quaker, Lucy, passed away two years ago after being with me for 22+ yrs. Through roommates, marriage, grad school, divorce, and many life and residence changes. I still miss her every day and am sad she passed at night while I was sleeping.

I think your bird hung on to say goodbye to you and clearly loved you very much.

I feel also that there was a special connection between Lucy and me that could not have been better. I hope and expect I will see her again. I’m not religious but I also can’t fathom that nothing goes on after our bodies die.

I hope your memories of your conure become a source of joy and not sadness.

I'm sorry for the loss of your Lucy

 

[HeatherG]

I'm sorry for the loss of your Lucy

Thank you. I miss her.

 

[SunConureBaba]

This is so extremely heartbreaking. I am so deeply sorry for your loss. I understand the heartbreak completely. Your story touched me, and I can't help but get tears in my eyes right now just feeling the sentiment. Yes, I do feel from everything you say that he was your son in a past life. When my bird Daisy passed away, I experienced also some very strange things that made me believe in things I never had before with my left brain. I used to call her my little sister. You had a very special connection with your bird and that is truly a gift from the universe that not everyone has the privilege to experience. Sending blessing to that sweet beautiful soul and healing for your heart.

Thank you for your heart warming reply. I will forward your blessing to my son.
Sorry to hear that your loved one's passing. Care to share the strange things you mentioned? Can shoot me a PM.

 

[freshprincess87]

Thank you for comforting me.

I feel very sorry for your loss too. Ducks are affectionate birds and I used to own a few when I was a kid. They would follow me around everywhere. Did you let your ducks out in the front yard or backyard? The backyard is usually safe as it's fenced. I used to let my son out in the backyard without protection. He flew off my shoulder to my neighbors backyard twice. The two neighbors he visited are good friends of mine, and they do not own big dogs unlike my other neighbors, so I could retrieve my son quickly.

I used to put my son in his cage in my backyard too. Then I noticed there were giant golden eagles in my area, at least 8 of them. They showed no interest in my son though, and my son was curious to see them flying. After that I would supervise my son everytime I took him out.

Now I'm beginning to accept the fact that my son is gone. I think you should too. Don't blame yourself. I'm still depressed and cries a lot though. I know my son would not want to see me so sad. I was doing job search but now I have to pause it.

Sometimes things just happen out of your control. I had the feeling from about 2 months ago that there was something out there trying to kill my son, since the first time he went berserk in his cage, terrified screaming nonstop at nothing. Birds can see things we can't see (ultraviolet lights), they can sense electromagnetic fields. My son would not startle for nothing. And when they do, they would fly off with full force in random directions. I think this is what lead to my son's accident. And I have reasons to believe that this was a supernatural event.

There was another time when he would shake his head left and right rapidly, sneezing, and fly in circles. I was terrified and realized that he was choked by something. I fixed that in no time. However, I could not save him 2 days ago. I knew the hit was fatal and I'm no surgeon. I gave my son the best anti-inflammatory, calming, fast acting pain killer I have (super concentrated reishi spore oil), and watched him passing peacefully. He was lying in my hands on my bed, looking at me, and slowly closed his eyes while I kissed him.

I'm no longer welcomed by screams when I get up from the bed in the morning, cuz my son is gone. I left his cage open at his favorite spot, and put fresh water and food in it, just in case his soul may come back one day so he can have something to eat.

I visit his grave a few times everyday, pray that he would find his peace and reincarnate so we can be a family again.

Thank you as well. Regarding the ducks, they were in the backyard. The front isn't secure, and the back has a door, blocking trespassers and they were in their playpens. But I think the playpens weren't suitable for protection outside because they were found still zipped up. The dog had made a hole into them and that's how he got to my babies. And he must have jumped over the door. It was a big dog. I will never understand how this happened especially last tuesday, when one of the ducks had been outside over 100 times without issue. It still hurts a lot. I think my issue is the nature of it. The fact that it was murder. If they had gotten sick or something then I could have held them until they took their last breath and made them as comfortable as possible, as done before with prior birds.

I was really comforted to read that you also had ducks and that they followed you round. Mine did too. Well the two younger ones did, because they came as rescued/orphaned wild ducklings who needed care. I think ducks get used to humans very quickly, especially when they socialise with a human at an earlier age.

That sounds amazing that you let your son fly around. It must have been really safe for him, especially with your neighbours as friends. I know a lot of people put their bird cages outside so their birds can get some sun and vitamin D. It's beneficial for them. I've never put my indoor birds outside, only because I was worried they would escape their cages as it's happened in their own bird room a few times. They get sun through the windows if needed. Only when the first duck came he was put outside in a playpen during the day and he loved it there. I don't think the two other younger ducks wanted to be outside. The lounge room was their territory.

I'm also similar to you. I was supposed to return to study next month and resume usual activities while still getting mental health treatment, and now I'm back at square one, if not worse and don't think I could cope with studying again or even doing job searches after last week. If you are able to, it's good to put a pause on your job searches until you feel able to cope again. As another person on this forum said to me, it's important that we go through the grieving process in order to move forward. It's very hard though. Like you, I still feel depressed and still cry a lot too, even when I think I'm beginning to accept what happened. Especially in the morning and night when I put the other birds to bed because after setting up the other birds it was duckling time and now it's not. I still keep thinking if I had done something differently for just one moment then it wouldn't have happened. Then I have another voice which tells me my babies had the right to safety in the backyard in their playpen, and that dog should not have been there, it's owners should been taking care of it and containing it. Plus the fact that the older duck had been outside many times without issue. It's hard to avoid our emotions though. It's hard to try to change our routines as well to avoid the old routine that involved the babies who aren't here anymore. I don't think you are to blame for your son's passing. I also have two conures at home amongst the other birds, and I know what they can be like with their flying. They do generally fly pretty well. But sometimes they can get erratic. Especially when they are scared of something. And I've read your post a few times and I'm also trying to understand what was going on with your son, and it's possible he sensed something. I knew that birds generally have better eyesight than humans, but I didn't think they could see things that we can't. That just makes them even more amazing.

Your son sounds so special for sensing so many things. And that reishi oil sounds interesting. I will look into that more. I used to be a member of the TailFeathers forum, which merged into this website, and a member from that forum used to say red palm oil was really good for birds' feathers. Where I am, there doesn't seem to be any kind of pain relief for birds. The best I've ever been able to get is aloe vera or iodine for any cuts or bleeds, but iodine surely just stings them if applied so it doesn't relieve pain. As heart wrenching as it would have been, you did the right thing by holding him in your hand as he passed. I feel he would have felt comfort being in your hands.

I think that was a nice gesture to create a resting spot for him at your home, and I think he appreciates that you are visiting him. Have you had any signs that he is around? As if to tell you "daddy, I'm ok now"? I was waiting for signs from my ducks, but all I noticed was the leaves of one plant in the lounge room moving, last saturday morning. As if they were flying past it. And it was at the time they are usually let out of their indoor playpen each morning to which they would do a fly around the lounge before settling down. I kept looking out for signs because when my lovebird kiara passed away in 2018, I thought I heard her sounds as I was walking outside the next day.

I hope your son will give you any sign possible to help you move through the grieving process.

 

[freshprincess87]

I have no doubt that your son will reincarnate into the best being ever. I think this belief is beautiful. And, to Farnoosh, I also think the ancient Persian beliefs about birds are beautiful too. From what you have described, he definitely had good karma. He protected you and your mum. I feel good doers, both human and animals are rewarded for their kindness. And your son was kind because he protected his family. I don't know too much about what happens after death. Every religion seems to say different things. I tried finding comfort in religion, and the only information I could find for mine was that scores will be settled between the unhorned and horned animal. I am not sure what that means but I'm interpreting it as the unhorned animal who was wronged will get their justice. I hope that they do. And most importantly, I just wish so bad that all these precious birds are at peace and not suffering. I also hope you will find comfort in these forums. I've struggled with what to do with myself for the past week, and coming onto the forums has been comforting.

 

[HeatherG]

Funny – I don't know about Buddhism but I had a dream once that the innocent human souls come back to life as birds. In ancient Persian mysticism, birds are heavenly creatures, unlike any other living creature, and they are pure souls. They are also said to be the messengers of heaven.

Birds are psychopomps in many cultures. They are a connection between the spirit world (or heaven) and the earthly world. Heavenly messengers, is the best description.

 

[BirdyBee]

I'm so sorry to hear your bird passed

 

[SunConureBaba]

Thank you as well. Regarding the ducks, they were in the backyard. The front isn't secure, and the back has a door, blocking trespassers and they were in their playpens. But I think the playpens weren't suitable for protection outside because they were found still zipped up. The dog had made a hole into them and that's how he got to my babies. And he must have jumped over the door. It was a big dog. I will never understand how this happened especially last tuesday, when one of the ducks had been outside over 100 times without issue. It still hurts a lot. I think my issue is the nature of it. The fact that it was murder. If they had gotten sick or something then I could have held them until they took their last breath and made them as comfortable as possible, as done before with prior birds.

I was really comforted to read that you also had ducks and that they followed you round. Mine did too. Well the two younger ones did, because they came as rescued/orphaned wild ducklings who needed care. I think ducks get used to humans very quickly, especially when they socialise with a human at an earlier age.

That sounds amazing that you let your son fly around. It must have been really safe for him, especially with your neighbours as friends. I know a lot of people put their bird cages outside so their birds can get some sun and vitamin D. It's beneficial for them. I've never put my indoor birds outside, only because I was worried they would escape their cages as it's happened in their own bird room a few times. They get sun through the windows if needed. Only when the first duck came he was put outside in a playpen during the day and he loved it there. I don't think the two other younger ducks wanted to be outside. The lounge room was their territory.

I'm also similar to you. I was supposed to return to study next month and resume usual activities while still getting mental health treatment, and now I'm back at square one, if not worse and don't think I could cope with studying again or even doing job searches after last week. If you are able to, it's good to put a pause on your job searches until you feel able to cope again. As another person on this forum said to me, it's important that we go through the grieving process in order to move forward. It's very hard though. Like you, I still feel depressed and still cry a lot too, even when I think I'm beginning to accept what happened. Especially in the morning and night when I put the other birds to bed because after setting up the other birds it was duckling time and now it's not. I still keep thinking if I had done something differently for just one moment then it wouldn't have happened. Then I have another voice which tells me my babies had the right to safety in the backyard in their playpen, and that dog should not have been there, it's owners should been taking care of it and containing it. Plus the fact that the older duck had been outside many times without issue. It's hard to avoid our emotions though. It's hard to try to change our routines as well to avoid the old routine that involved the babies who aren't here anymore. I don't think you are to blame for your son's passing. I also have two conures at home amongst the other birds, and I know what they can be like with their flying. They do generally fly pretty well. But sometimes they can get erratic. Especially when they are scared of something. And I've read your post a few times and I'm also trying to understand what was going on with your son, and it's possible he sensed something. I knew that birds generally have better eyesight than humans, but I didn't think they could see things that we can't. That just makes them even more amazing.

Your son sounds so special for sensing so many things. And that reishi oil sounds interesting. I will look into that more. I used to be a member of the TailFeathers forum, which merged into this website, and a member from that forum used to say red palm oil was really good for birds' feathers. Where I am, there doesn't seem to be any kind of pain relief for birds. The best I've ever been able to get is aloe vera or iodine for any cuts or bleeds, but iodine surely just stings them if applied so it doesn't relieve pain. As heart wrenching as it would have been, you did the right thing by holding him in your hand as he passed. I feel he would have felt comfort being in your hands.

I think that was a nice gesture to create a resting spot for him at your home, and I think he appreciates that you are visiting him. Have you had any signs that he is around? As if to tell you "daddy, I'm ok now"? I was waiting for signs from my ducks, but all I noticed was the leaves of one plant in the lounge room moving, last saturday morning. As if they were flying past it. And it was at the time they are usually let out of their indoor playpen each morning to which they would do a fly around the lounge before settling down. I kept looking out for signs because when my lovebird kiara passed away in 2018, I thought I heard her sounds as I was walking outside the next day.

I hope your son will give you any sign possible to help you move through the grieving process.

Thanks for your best wishes and comfort.

I read your other thread, and I was horrified and saddened by what happened. I hope that justice will be served. I believe your interpretation of the horned and hornless animals is correct.

I try not to recap my son's accident. It would put me into great depression thinking about how much pain my son went through. I hope you will not think too much about the murder scene too.

The reishi spore oil is called Lucidispore, you can Google that. It's intended to be taken sublingually by a human, and it's expensive. It has strong calming and anti-inflammatory effects. Do not drop it in the eyes though. I know my son loves powered Reishi 415 extract after he got used to the bitter taste. He used to have them 1-2 times a week, but I forgot to give him the reishi in the past 1-2 weeks. It would cure my son's diarrhea (the first 1-2 months I feed my son pellets and egg yolk, but I didn't know that the egg yolk I got from the pet store went bad.). I also believe the reishi supports my son's immune system and makes his feathers more vibrant.

A part of me is gone. I'm not used to the empty cage and silence. It used to be a lively house. I still replace my son's water and food, just in case. I used to get a little annoyed by my son's flock call sometimes, now I really miss that.

My son is a really good boy. He never for once attempted to escape even if the cage door was not locked on purpose. He did manage to remove the half-locked locker from his cage door within 1 minute, because I put his favorite trait cashew inside the cage.

I could smell the existence of my son in my basement, where it's closest to his grave. It comforts me and warms me, even though the basement is physically cold. I vaguely heard 2 flock calls from my son in the past 2 days. It could just be my ears acting weird. 2 nights ago I woke up in the middle of the night, and heard the door in my other room was pounding. I checked it, and realized I forgot to close the window. Were your windows closed when you noticed the moving leaves?

I'm not aware of my son coming into my dreams. My belief is that if a deceased person shows up in your dream, it can be for 2 reasons.
1. If the dream is only about old memories, then it just means you miss the person, nothing more than that. Example: I occasionally dream of me playing with my deceased grandpa. In the dream, it was always that familiar scene and place.
2. However, if the scene in the dream is new, and especially if the person expected you to do something, then it means the deceased person is not rest in peace. Example: my deceased uncle showed up in my mom's dream and told her that he wasn't having a good time after his passing. A similar example is what I mentioned in my post #3, section IV.

 

[Farnoosh]

Thank you as well. Regarding the ducks, they were in the backyard. The front isn't secure, and the back has a door, blocking trespassers and they were in their playpens. But I think the playpens weren't suitable for protection outside because they were found still zipped up. The dog had made a hole into them and that's how he got to my babies. And he must have jumped over the door. It was a big dog. I will never understand how this happened especially last tuesday, when one of the ducks had been outside over 100 times without issue. It still hurts a lot. I think my issue is the nature of it. The fact that it was murder. If they had gotten sick or something then I could have held them until they took their last breath and made them as comfortable as possible, as done before with prior birds.

I was really comforted to read that you also had ducks and that they followed you round. Mine did too. Well the two younger ones did, because they came as rescued/orphaned wild ducklings who needed care. I think ducks get used to humans very quickly, especially when they socialise with a human at an earlier age.

That sounds amazing that you let your son fly around. It must have been really safe for him, especially with your neighbours as friends. I know a lot of people put their bird cages outside so their birds can get some sun and vitamin D. It's beneficial for them. I've never put my indoor birds outside, only because I was worried they would escape their cages as it's happened in their own bird room a few times. They get sun through the windows if needed. Only when the first duck came he was put outside in a playpen during the day and he loved it there. I don't think the two other younger ducks wanted to be outside. The lounge room was their territory.

I'm also similar to you. I was supposed to return to study next month and resume usual activities while still getting mental health treatment, and now I'm back at square one, if not worse and don't think I could cope with studying again or even doing job searches after last week. If you are able to, it's good to put a pause on your job searches until you feel able to cope again. As another person on this forum said to me, it's important that we go through the grieving process in order to move forward. It's very hard though. Like you, I still feel depressed and still cry a lot too, even when I think I'm beginning to accept what happened. Especially in the morning and night when I put the other birds to bed because after setting up the other birds it was duckling time and now it's not. I still keep thinking if I had done something differently for just one moment then it wouldn't have happened. Then I have another voice which tells me my babies had the right to safety in the backyard in their playpen, and that dog should not have been there, it's owners should been taking care of it and containing it. Plus the fact that the older duck had been outside many times without issue. It's hard to avoid our emotions though. It's hard to try to change our routines as well to avoid the old routine that involved the babies who aren't here anymore. I don't think you are to blame for your son's passing. I also have two conures at home amongst the other birds, and I know what they can be like with their flying. They do generally fly pretty well. But sometimes they can get erratic. Especially when they are scared of something. And I've read your post a few times and I'm also trying to understand what was going on with your son, and it's possible he sensed something. I knew that birds generally have better eyesight than humans, but I didn't think they could see things that we can't. That just makes them even more amazing.

Your son sounds so special for sensing so many things. And that reishi oil sounds interesting. I will look into that more. I used to be a member of the TailFeathers forum, which merged into this website, and a member from that forum used to say red palm oil was really good for birds' feathers. Where I am, there doesn't seem to be any kind of pain relief for birds. The best I've ever been able to get is aloe vera or iodine for any cuts or bleeds, but iodine surely just stings them if applied so it doesn't relieve pain. As heart wrenching as it would have been, you did the right thing by holding him in your hand as he passed. I feel he would have felt comfort being in your hands.

I think that was a nice gesture to create a resting spot for him at your home, and I think he appreciates that you are visiting him. Have you had any signs that he is around? As if to tell you "daddy, I'm ok now"? I was waiting for signs from my ducks, but all I noticed was the leaves of one plant in the lounge room moving, last saturday morning. As if they were flying past it. And it was at the time they are usually let out of their indoor playpen each morning to which they would do a fly around the lounge before settling down. I kept looking out for signs because when my lovebird kiara passed away in 2018, I thought I heard her sounds as I was walking outside the next day.

I hope your son will give you any sign possible to help you move through the grieving process.

Birds can actually see light rays that most human/animal can't. For example they can see UV rays and EMF, etc.
There is a scientist (I can't remember her name but she is definitely very famous) who wrote a book about her African grey named Alex and she talks about how Alex could see thought patterns. Before I learned about this, I experienced it with one of my birds, cheeky. I once had him resting on my hand while I was laying in bed and I fell asleep for a little while. I had a dream that I was taking a big swing with my arm to throw a ball in the air. And then suddenly I woke up because cheeky flew away in a startle, but in my sleep I did not even move my hand at all! I remember really feeling like he had "seen" my dream! It was really weird, but then I found out about this whole thing how they can see our thoughts. Surely these creatures are amazing and fascinating, and how lucky we are to experience living with them!

 

[SunConureBaba]

Birds can actually see light rays that most human/animal can't. For example they can see UV rays and EMF, etc.
There is a scientist (I can't remember her name but she is definitely very famous) who wrote a book about her African grey named Alex and she talks about how Alex could see thought patterns. Before I learned about this, I experienced it with one of my birds, cheeky. I once had him resting on my hand while I was laying in bed and I fell asleep for a little while. I had a dream that I was taking a big swing with my arm to throw a ball in the air. And then suddenly I woke up because cheeky flew away in a startle, but in my sleep I did not even move my hand at all! I remember really feeling like he had "seen" my dream! It was really weird, but then I found out about this whole thing how they can see our thoughts. Surely these creatures are amazing and fascinating, and how lucky we are to experience living with them!

Is this book what you referred to "Alex & Me: How a Scientist and a Parrot Discovered a Hidden World of Animal Intelligence--and Formed a Deep Bond in the Process"?

It would scare me if birds can read people's mind. After all we believe we are the most intelligent beings on earth, yet we don't understand how our brains / quantum mechanics really work.

I know Sir Roger Penrose has worked on the theory of quantum consciousness. Here is one of his papers, might be a good time to dive into this:

Consciousness in the universe: A review of the âOrch ORâ theory

The nature of consciousness, the mechanism by which it occurs in the brain, and its ultimate place in the universe are unknown. We proposed in the mid…

www.sciencedirect.com

And a related review article:

Do quantum effects play a role in consciousness? – Physics World

Betony Adams and Francesco Petruccione explore the developing field of quantum biophysics

physicsworld.com

 

[HeatherG]

I know my Lucy started yelling “Jamie, Jamie” a few times before my ex husband telephoned me long-distance after we separated. She’d know him for many years.

I told him this when he called and he said , “I don’t like that that creature can read my mind.”

 

[SunConureBaba]

Unbelievable.

I told my son about his memorial tablet at the temple.

This noon, my mom told me there was a bird in one of the trees near my son's burial place, and that bird kept calling my son's exact name for around 10 minutes. My son has a non-English name and I'm sure it's not similar to the kind of sound birds would usually make.

About an hour later, a small pigeon landed in our backyard, about 3 meters away from my son's grave. The pigeon was strange, as he wasn't looking for food, but just sat there enjoying the sunshine, preening his feathers and stretching his wings. These behaviors remind me of my son; and more importantly, the pigeon's actions looked exactly the same as my son's. The pigeon didn't move at all for about an hour, and wasn't afraid of me approaching. I initially thought the pigeon was sick, but apparently it wasn't sick.

 

[HeatherG]

Maybe you will be noticing birds a lot more since having such a wonderful conure in your life.

 

[freshprincess87]

Thank you for that. The lucidispore sounds very effective. I’ll have to see if I can source it down here. I’ve given medicine to my birds before but not much and only when the vet prescribed it. I remember one of the conure’s was unwell in 2018, she was stargazing a lot and honestly thought she was going to die. I still don’t know what happened but I think she either ate some bad fruit or her own poo. I few months after she was better I saw her nibbling at her poo and had to make her stop. The local vet prescribed something called psittavet powder and she was given it for a week I think. I remember also consulting with an online vet based in the USA whom was aware of the medicine but also talked about her diet etc. so she would have more greens and also pellets and funnily enough, She and her cage mate loved the pellets. I’d tried for ages for the lovebirds to eat pellets but they didn’t want it so just seeds and veggies for them. But I was so surprised when the conures would enjoy their pellets, as well as their seeds and other vegetables and fruits. And in that same year one of the lovebirds I think was bitten on the leg by her cage mate. She bled a lot and also her leg was more swollen and the vet gave us meloxicam, which is usually for cats and dogs but it helped her a lot. Only a very small dose though since she’s small. It helped her but her beak turned a different colour likely due to the loss of blood so she got more iron infused vegetables and she thrived too. She still has feather picking problems but overall is a happy bird. Her recovery took the longest though. I was halfway through my uni degree and that semester I literally had to spend all day next to her to make sure she wouldn’t pluck her feathers and bleed again. It was a long summer semester in 2018 but she did well thankfully and has since been reunited with her cage mate since last year in a much larger cage too.



I understand how you feel. I’ve sometimes gotten annoyed at some of the parrots and their noise too. It’s usually the larger ones who get on my nerves. I think the only time I got annoyed at the smaller parrots was when they first came and I wasn’t used to being woken up at 6 in the morning with their chatter. I got used to it though and for years I have enjoyed listening to them chatter. I try not to let the larger ones bother me much, especially when I know the pain of losing birds. I only do something about it if it’s constant, and I’ve checked that nothings wrong and that I know it’s their cranky sound and not just regular chit chat sounds (which can sometimes be annoying). It’s hard to remember getting annoyed but to also miss them when they leave us. Your son filled your heart up with love, and now there’s a hole because he’s gone. It’s very hard. Most people say time will heal these holes and wounds and I hope they are correct. I’m up and down these days. Trying to change my routine a bit and not do things at the same time as before anymore. but sometimes I still break down.



For me the windows were closed when the leaves of the plant were moving. Which is why I wondered if it was a sign from them. I think the flock call you heard was your son. He might be letting you know that he’s ok.



That is quite interesting about dreams and it really makes sense. I studied psychology after my first degree and I remember seeing subjects available about consciousness but I didn’t take them. I wish I had now, but it might not have made a difference as I didn’t do very well in that degree and struggled to keep up due to poor mental health. I hope one day to be able to learn more

About these things and I’d like to read those two articles you referred to as well, when I’m ready to do so. They look interesting.



Do you know what species of bird your mum heard calling outside? If I may ask, what was your son’s name?



These sound like signs but I’m not not sure how they should be interpreted. I wonder if it is your son? Or maybe another bird who actually knew or saw your son? As I recall you said his cage was sometimes outside. I wonder what birds he came across outside.



That’s even more fascinating about the pigeon. Did it fly away eventually? I wonder if it sensed you. Pigeons usually fly around looking for food and I don’t think they congregate in big flocks until one or two of them have let the others know that they’ve found food I think. Although down here I see them smaller flocks in the town centre.

 

[SunConureBaba]

Thank you for that. The lucidispore sounds very effective. I’ll have to see if I can source it down here. I’ve given medicine to my birds before but not much and only when the vet prescribed it. I remember one of the conure’s was unwell in 2018, she was stargazing a lot and honestly thought she was going to die. I still don’t know what happened but I think she either ate some bad fruit or her own poo. I few months after she was better I saw her nibbling at her poo and had to make her stop. The local vet prescribed something called psittavet powder and she was given it for a week I think. I remember also consulting with an online vet based in the USA whom was aware of the medicine but also talked about her diet etc. so she would have more greens and also pellets and funnily enough, She and her cage mate loved the pellets. I’d tried for ages for the lovebirds to eat pellets but they didn’t want it so just seeds and veggies for them. But I was so surprised when the conures would enjoy their pellets, as well as their seeds and other vegetables and fruits. And in that same year one of the lovebirds I think was bitten on the leg by her cage mate. She bled a lot and also her leg was more swollen and the vet gave us meloxicam, which is usually for cats and dogs but it helped her a lot. Only a very small dose though since she’s small. It helped her but her beak turned a different colour likely due to the loss of blood so she got more iron infused vegetables and she thrived too. She still has feather picking problems but overall is a happy bird. Her recovery took the longest though. I was halfway through my uni degree and that semester I literally had to spend all day next to her to make sure she wouldn’t pluck her feathers and bleed again. It was a long summer semester in 2018 but she did well thankfully and has since been reunited with her cage mate since last year in a much larger cage too.



I understand how you feel. I’ve sometimes gotten annoyed at some of the parrots and their noise too. It’s usually the larger ones who get on my nerves. I think the only time I got annoyed at the smaller parrots was when they first came and I wasn’t used to being woken up at 6 in the morning with their chatter. I got used to it though and for years I have enjoyed listening to them chatter. I try not to let the larger ones bother me much, especially when I know the pain of losing birds. I only do something about it if it’s constant, and I’ve checked that nothings wrong and that I know it’s their cranky sound and not just regular chit chat sounds (which can sometimes be annoying). It’s hard to remember getting annoyed but to also miss them when they leave us. Your son filled your heart up with love, and now there’s a hole because he’s gone. It’s very hard. Most people say time will heal these holes and wounds and I hope they are correct. I’m up and down these days. Trying to change my routine a bit and not do things at the same time as before anymore. but sometimes I still break down.



For me the windows were closed when the leaves of the plant were moving. Which is why I wondered if it was a sign from them. I think the flock call you heard was your son. He might be letting you know that he’s ok.



That is quite interesting about dreams and it really makes sense. I studied psychology after my first degree and I remember seeing subjects available about consciousness but I didn’t take them. I wish I had now, but it might not have made a difference as I didn’t do very well in that degree and struggled to keep up due to poor mental health. I hope one day to be able to learn more

About these things and I’d like to read those two articles you referred to as well, when I’m ready to do so. They look interesting.



Do you know what species of bird your mum heard calling outside? If I may ask, what was your son’s name?



These sound like signs but I’m not not sure how they should be interpreted. I wonder if it is your son? Or maybe another bird who actually knew or saw your son? As I recall you said his cage was sometimes outside. I wonder what birds he came across outside.



That’s even more fascinating about the pigeon. Did it fly away eventually? I wonder if it sensed you. Pigeons usually fly around looking for food and I don’t think they congregate in big flocks until one or two of them have let the others know that they’ve found food I think. Although down here I see them smaller flocks in the town centre.

I believe what the vet gave you were antibiotics. I'm not a doctor, so I'm not recommending anything. And keep in mind birds are tiny creatures, and they should use a tiny dose. I prefer giving my son natural medicine like reishi / curcumin. Do note that being natural does not mean it's safe, and something that's safe for human can be toxic for a bird. All I know is my son responded well to Reishi 415 / Longvida curcumin powders.

I could see you really love your birds. I'm not sure if I could do the same, like spending time with him 24 x 7 to make sure he is not plucking. My son was a happy birb from the beginning to the end, no feather plucking, ever.

The moving leaves thing, I don't know. There might be other things that can cause a change in the air pressure difference, but opened window is the most obvious one. Or maybe a soul passing by could do that too?

My son's name is 鸟鸟, it sounds like 'niao niao' with a 3rd tone. 鸟 simply means birds. My son's got a dozen of nicknames, but his official name is 鸟鸟.

My friend A knows a monk at a temple nearby. The monk helped us make a memorial tablet for our son at the temple, so he could get prayers. Yesterday morning I went to my son's grave and told him about this, and shortly after that my mom heard that other bird calling my son, and then the weird pigeon. My mom could not see the actual bird who called my son's name, but she knew it's from one of those trees near my son's grave. And about the pigeon, it was all alone by itself. His preening and wing stretching actions closely resemble my son's. I was interacting with the pigeon at a distance. He flew away after an hour.

I was also trying to understand why my son went berserk. I found a thread on Quora, and Aaaaaaa's reply describes my son's erratic behaviors perfectly.

Can birds see ghosts?

Answer (1 of 18): They say that children and some animals can, but children lose the ability as they get older. As for pets, I have to wonder. I had a similar experience as the OP with my Moluccan Cockatoo. He was sitting placidly on my wife's shoulder when he suddenly turned around and started ...

www.quora.com

 

[freshprincess87]

I believe what the vet gave you were antibiotics. I'm not a doctor, so I'm not recommending anything. And keep in mind birds are tiny creatures, and they should use a tiny dose. I prefer giving my son natural medicine like reishi / curcumin. Do note that being natural does not mean it's safe, and something that's safe for human can be toxic for a bird. All I know is my son responded well to Reishi 415 / Longvida curcumin powders.

I could see you really love your birds. I'm not sure if I could do the same, like spending time with him 24 x 7 to make sure he is not plucking. My son was a happy birb from the beginning to the end, no feather plucking, ever.

The moving leaves thing, I don't know. There might be other things that can cause a change in the air pressure difference, but opened window is the most obvious one. Or maybe a soul passing by could do that too?

My son's name is 鸟鸟, it sounds like 'niao niao' with a 3rd tone. 鸟 simply means birds. My son's got a dozen of nicknames, but his official name is 鸟鸟.

My friend A knows a monk at a temple nearby. The monk helped us make a memorial tablet for our son at the temple, so he could get prayers. Yesterday morning I went to my son's grave and told him about this, and shortly after that my mom heard that other bird calling my son, and then the weird pigeon. My mom could not see the actual bird who called my son's name, but she knew it's from one of those trees near my son's grave. And about the pigeon, it was all alone by itself. His preening and wing stretching actions closely resemble my son's. I was interacting with the pigeon at a distance. He flew away after an hour.

I was also trying to understand why my son went berserk. I found a thread on Quora, and Aaaaaaa's reply describes my son's erratic behaviors perfectly.

Can birds see ghosts?

Answer (1 of 18): They say that children and some animals can, but children lose the ability as they get older. As for pets, I have to wonder. I had a similar experience as the OP with my Moluccan Cockatoo. He was sitting placidly on my wife's shoulder when he suddenly turned around and started ...

www.quora.com

I think they were anti biotics too. Thankfully it did help the birds when they needed it, and only in very small doses. Natural is also good. I am glad your son responded very well to the reishi. It also sounds like you did everything you could, for him to have a very happy life. I didn't monitor the lovebird overnight, but at the time I was able to be at home due to being able to study online so I would have my eye on her nearly all day whilst also glued to the laptop screen. It was hard at first, but eventually she stopped trying to pluck her feathers. It was mostly those first few weeks when the wounds still needed to heal. I'm glad your son never plucked his feathers. No doubt, he was really happy.

I do wonder if souls passing can make leaves move too or change the pressure in the air. I never used to think about these things before but it's a bit scary to think that. Yet at the same time, I feel like I find a bit of comfort by thinking that the leaves moving were my duckies letting me know they were ok. I hope they are. Because I still miss them so much. Each day is not the same. I've tried doing things at different times now, to change the routine a bit. Like try to eat at different times than before, cook at different times. I didn't cook for over a week since my tragedy. I still can't manage to eat during the day and can only manage breakfast and dinner. I have to put a comedy or something on the tv to lift my mood a bit and to be able to eat though. I wonder if a bit of change to your routine might help wth your grieving process too? It's hard though. I wish more people understood the pain of losing feathered friends like the people on this forum do. I know life does go on, and that it has to go on, because nothing will bring back our special friends. But it's also hard to acknowledge the new reality of life as well. Especially, when in both our particular cases, it all happened so suddenly. Do you have friends or other family members providing support?

Your son's name is so beautiful. Is it Chinese? I remember you mentioning some sayings from China, earlier in your post.

That is really kind of the monk to make a tablet and prayers for him. A lot of places won't pray for an animal. That is so kind of them to do that. Do you find comfort in talking to your son at his grave? I still think it was really kind that you gave him a proper burial at your home and a proper gravestone too.

Wow I do wonder what the pigeon has been doing around there. It's quite interesting that he is coming now out of nowhere.

I read the thread on quora. It's quite scary what people have written about their birds and what they think they can see. If anything, I feel for the birds. Having to possibly see things that we can't see. I hope they don't feel scared when this happens. I never really believed in ghosts. I'm not sure if I do now. But I do believe in signs. I hope your son didn't see something too scary beforehand.

 

[HeatherG]

I am not certain but I keep thinking I hear Lucy talking from the living room. She has been gone two years. I have heard her say a few things she used to say. The last was “out!” which she’d say if she wanted out of her cage, for me to hold her or carry her around.

People keep asking me about her since she died during the covid lockdown. And I have to tell them that she’s gone. I AM glad she’s not old and creaky and hurting any more, but I miss her.

 

[MomofMango]

Hello,
First and foremost I'm deeply sorry about the loss of your son. The love that you shared doesn't die, it lives forever and you'll carry that with you for the rest of your life. I hope that you two will meet again. We are so incredibly lucky to share relationships with creatures.

I 150% believe animals can see things we don't always see. It is important to look for the "signs" from you son, because I think birds are one of life's best messengers. Watch nature and the animals around you, you could receive a message.
I've had mysterious things happen to me as well in my life, I can't write it off as coincidence.

Thank you for sharing with us even though I know it can be difficult. I carry the lessons and love I've learned from unfortunately too many loved ones now gone.

I hope you can find comfort in your good memories.