Caique with Fainting or Seizure - With Video - No Vet Dx

Wow, so I'm trying to get the order of events to these "episodes" correct...

So he was fine, just sitting with you watching TV, then all of a sudden he started with that constant "chattering" noise...Is that what he typically does before he has an episode? It seemed like he could feel you pinching his foot while he was chattering, like while he's in the "pre-episodic" phase he knows it's going to happen and is making that noise, but he's not yet lost feeling in his left leg/foot. Then his left leg/foot (I couldn't tell if it was both his leg and his foot that went numb, or just his foot, because when you touched his upper leg is when he flew off, so I thought maybe he flew off because you touched his leg) goes completely limp and numb, and he has trouble balancing himself and seems to be a little dizzy. He lowered his head a bit during the episode, like he was dizzy and kind of out of it. Then all of a sudden he gets the feeling back in his left leg/foot, can balance again, and is fine. It's like the pre-episodic phase lasts longer than the actual episode does.

This is very strange because there are two completely different things going on. Most epileptics have a similar pre-seizure phase where they know they are going to have one, like an aura. That's exactly what his pre-episodic phase looks like. He also doesn't want to be touched during this, probably, as already mentioned because he knows he's going to be vulnerable during the episode and it's a safety thing, or he could possibly have a lot of pain in that leg before it starts, like a nerve thing...But the actual episode where his left leg/foot go limp and numb seem not like a seizure but rather like a stroke...But I've never seen anyone (a person, anyway) come out of a stroke that quickly and have all of the paralysis reversed immediately. It's like something is causing a neural event on his left side, effecting at least the lower left part of his body, if not all of his left side (hard to tell on a bird if his upper body is effected as well, although he did fly away so his left wing was working, although the episode could have been over, and when you pinched his left leg the last time it hurt him and he flew away because of that).

This is so bizarre, and obviously the episodes aren't stopping or getting any less frequent. I'm very glad you got this all on video to show your avian vet, that's priceless to the vet because normally they don't get to see any of this.

I have a wellness checkup appointment tomorrow for my Senegal with my avian vet, I'm going to show him the videos and see if he's ever seen anything like this before.

"Dance like nobody's watching..."
 
Thank you for the update. Your videos are a great documentary and may be of assistance to the vet. It appears neurological, but hard to find a parallel with human symptoms and displays.
 
My irn popcorn has epilepsy and her seizures look very similar to video three. Both of her feet ball up and her legs stiffen. Sometimes she seems to have some involuntary wing flapping but mostly she panics and tries to fly. She takes levetiracetam (keppra) twice daily infected into a grape and she very rarely has episodes now. Only when extremely stressed. The best thing you can do is keep the bird in a place where they cannot fall and watch the recovery for the next 24 hours because that's when they are most prone to more. Don't grab their feet. Place a curved hand over the wings so when he panics he doesn't fly off and hurt himself but also you're not physically restricting wing movement so no potential broken wings. Cradle the bird in your lap and talk him through it just like you did. Seems like he knows when it's coming so that helps get him safe. Maybe a cage with less height when no one is around. Also have blood tests shown muscle enzyme levels to be higher after an attack? This is an indication of some kind of trauma, and most often that is a seizure. That’s one of the best ways to diagnose in these guys. My baby also gets really clingy during and immediately after, But pretty cranky before and after coming out of the postical stage, which is just the altered state of consciousness that they are in right after the seizure as they are coming back into themselves and full awareness . It’s when you see them staring off and just not quit acting like themselves.

Hit me up for any questions.

Lauren

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