Vomit/sleepy/falling off perch..??

louise22

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Birds history and diet at end....looking for advice on what could be wrong and what other tests should be done at the vet..??

1 Of my birds woke up and vomited around 20 times between 2am and 4am. (He was toe tapping after it) sickness did have a sour smell to it and looked like seeds. The day before, I had given the avipro vitamin supplement in their water for the first time so not sure if that's the cause..?? Although for a few days before that, he was quieter and didn't fly out of their room when I opened their door in the morning and after eating and drinking, went onto the curtain pole to sleep instead. He was still active occasionally throughout the day and eating and drinking as normal. He had also woke up through the night, chirped and either flew around or would chirp, twitch his wings, look behind him and then toe tap. His beak had also got slightly long. The last 2 days, although he is active at times too, he is spending alot of time sleeping with his head tucked into his back.

He was taken to the vet the day after vomiting and blood was taken to test liver, kidneys, red and while blood cells and some other things. I did bring up bacterial infection or sour crop and asked if he should be tested for these but vet didn't think so. He has went from 160 something grams to 150g but both birds recently went at least a week barely eating because I had no option but to change their seed brand and they are fussy.

BIRDS HISTORY
Have had them for around 3 years. This birds came to me with respiratory symptoms so has been in and out of vet with this. Symptoms would clear then come back but he has had no symptoms since being given baytril from an emergency vet on Christmas day 2023. Went to emergency vet because he would just sit on his perch, didnt make a noise or eat and black, sticky poo and let me take him off his perch (he isnt tame) because he was nearly falling off it. He was found to have enterobacter not long before this time and white blood cell was low. Liver was fine.

October just passed, I noticed their regular seed mix has a damp smell to them but they had already eaten alot of the bag (they would spend alot of the day not eating and looking around for something else) so that's what made me think to smell them. Another 4 bags I bought after that, had a damp smell to them (came like this) so I bought other brands of seed and it took them a while to find one they would eat so only ate cooked quinoa, peas, corn, fresh herbs and spray millet for at least a week.

FALLING OFF PERCH
Around October both birds started to fall off their perch at night (only happened at night) This one would also just fly around, fall to the ground then for a minute, wouldn't be able to fly or perch. When he did get on a perch, he would toe tap for a little while. During the day, they acted normal. The other bird (not the one that's vomited recently or had respiratory problems) also vomited on 3 different days. They were both taken to the vet at the time. No tests were recommended and no medication given. Both were overweight. 1 was 160 something grams and the other 180g (these birds should be around 150g)

DIET
Used to be versele laga prestige but now kennedy wild parakeet seed mix (soaked in the morning and dry at night)

Sprouted legumes 2 mornings a week

Cooked quinoa, peas and corn 2 mornings a week

Fresh herbs every day - coriandar, mint, dill, basil, thyme and parsley (usually 2 or 3 different ones at a time.

Kale, carrot and broccoli in the morning (don't always eat the carrot and broccoli)

Dried and freeze dried fruit,veg (don't always touch these)

Pumpkin seeds, raisins and dried flowers in their foraging tray (don't always touch these)

Half of a millet spray once a week

They do get offered pellets and nutriberries often too but don't eat these

Photo 1 and 2 is his poo the night he vomited
Photo 3 is his first vomit
Photo 4 is a mat covered in vomit
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Poor things! Definitely very sick birds. What kind of birds are they (did I miss that?)?
Do you have access to a different avian vet for a second opinion?

The danger with feeding soaked seed is that it spoils so quickly. I would dispose of any suspect food and store all new food in the refrigerator, with quantity in freezer. Perhaps a dry diet for a while would help, but I would try to get a second opinion. Get all their treatment records together and give them to a new vet so they get the full picture.
I hope they feel better.
 
Poor things! Definitely very sick birds. What kind of birds are they (did I miss that?)?
Do you have access to a different avian vet for a second opinion?

The danger with feeding soaked seed is that it spoils so quickly. I would dispose of any suspect food and store all new food in the refrigerator, with quantity in freezer. Perhaps a dry diet for a while would help, but I would try to get a second opinion. Get all their treatment records together and give them to a new vet so they get the full picture.
I hope they feel better.
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Forgot to mention actually. They are barraband parakeets. Both male. Unsure of age. I usually just soak for 8 hours overnight, rinse then feed and dont leave any more than 3 hours in their bowls. I soak a fresh bowl of seeds every night...is that ok? Or definitely just stick to dry? With sprouted legumes, I soak for 8 to 10 hours, rinse and feed. Rinse 2 or 3 times a day and I'd use the sprouts for the next morning too, then throw away, so I don't keep for days. It's an exotic vet they go to and that's now 3 different vets in the practice he has been seen by. I don't drive and have to rely on my sister to take me and the vet is already a 1 hour and 20 minutes drive each way for her. She works 3 times a day, runs a livery yard and has lots of horses, dogs and cats so couldn't/wouldn't take more time out unfortunately. The overgrown beak can be seen on the second last photo.
 
Your birds are stunning! Gorgeous! Normally I would say what you do with soaked seed is fine but I would stick to dry until their digestion problem clears up. Do you wash your produce thoroughly before feeding it? Maybe it's contaminated with fecal bacteria as irrigated produce sometimes is. Enterobacter would be from fecal contamination because it's normal flora in the colon of mammals but not most pet birds.

The beak issue is something I have had with budgies in the past. The beak would overgrow and need to be professionally trimmed every 3 or 4 months, which is not normal. It made no difference what they chew on. My avian vet told me it was a metabolic/ endocrine/ glandular disease that causes the beak to overgrow like that. Perhaps a liver problem, but you said liver test was normal. Did they test that bird? Perhaps there's an abnormality in a parameter not generally tested for, perhaps thyroid or parathyroid. Other than frequent beak trims, I'm not sure there's anything that can be done.
 
They do look a bit "chubby" (in a very cute way) and you say they're overweight, as much as 20% (if they are supposed to weigh 150 and weigh 180). Fatty liver is a problem in overweight seed eating birds. I was told that fatty liver can contribute to the beak overgrowth problem. Is there any way you can feed less seed and soaked seed and more vegetables? Once their digestive problem clears up, of course.
 
Thank you. Will stick to dry for now. I wash the veg that they eat properly and seeds before soaking them. I'll mention all this to the vet. It was the last time (at least a year ago) that the liver was tested and was fine. The recent test on the liver, I'm still waiting on the results. I've been trying to get them to eat vegetables all the time I've had them and they just won't, apart from the fresh herbs and kale. Not sure how much of the carrots and brocoli even get eaten as most does end up on the floor. I think they maybe just like tearing it off. Is cooked quinoa lower fat than seeds? If it is, I could just offer that and peas and corn for the first 2/3 hours each morning before I put the seed in the bowl.
 

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