Sooooo Mad!!!!!

[Bird_Mom_to_Coby_the_GW]

I totally have to vent. I went to the Sugarcreek bird auction in Dayton on Sunday. I was just poking around on Hoobly and one of the birds that was sold at the show was posted on Hoobly. It was a four year old B&G that came with a huge corner cage. They paid like seven fifty for him and now (two days later) they have him on Hoobly for nine hundred. I really hate people at times. What kind of person would do that. These poor birds so often are just bounced around and for someone to just go do that to make a quick buck is sickening. They said that he was just too much bird for them in their family situation right now. Tell me what could have possibly changed in two days time? I actually registered with Hoobly just to be able to send them a message telling them how despicable they were. It didn't make me feel any better though. I can hope that at least it makes them feel ashamed but it probably won't, those kind of people have no compassion. I think I'm done with my rant. Hugs and Kisses to my Baby Coby. We would live in my car together before he would ever not be with me.

 

[Jtbirds]

What kind of people would run a bird auction!? It is cruel as those birds are being sent to a undetermined fate... I understand your pain

 

[Pinkbirdy]

I would send them an email [that you saw him at the bird fair and now on Hoobly ] Glad they feel they need to make a profit off him!! Im a call you out on it kind of girl . If you say something your letting them know its not ok. I would say shame on you!!!! [I dont care what the reason is ]

 

[SandyBee]

That's awful, give them a piece of your mind.

 

[goalerjones]

2 things I will say about this, one, this is a parrot-loving community. Two, the pet trade is about commerce. If a profit isnt made there wont be birds for sale even to the BEST owners.

People who have no emotional connection to animals wont think twice about "flipping" a bird. Its about making money. Just like any other auction-attendee would do if they bought merchandise at a discount. If they are mistreating the bird then get the authorities involved. But unless this is the case its always the ones who care that suffer.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[JerseyWendy]

I'm glad you sent them a message, Samara! Poor poor Macaw!!

Did they bother writing you back?

I truly hope that whoever bought him will give him a forever home.

 

[DallyTsuka]

i've seen this happen myself with a budgie here. i visited a bird show here and they were raffling off a budgie... and a few HOURS after he was sold, he was put up on kijiji

i despise bird flippers. they're a step below backyard breeders in my books.


i do hope the macaw finds a good home out of this mess, with someone who deserves him.

 

[Blancaej]

Wow! That is awful. I can't believe it though. Lots of people out there making a buck at the expense of these poor animals. Like you, I hope that B&G get's a good home at some point! Good for you for letting them know how you feel!

 

[MollyGreenCheeks]

What kind of people would do that? Many!!!

 

[Bird_Mom_to_Coby_the_GW]

So this is what I wrote to him:
I just wanted to tell you that I think people like you are despicable. I was at the Sugarcreek auction. Don't you think it's hard enough on these poor birds that they get shifted around to different homes so much throughout their lives without someone like you coming along and just trying to make a quick buck off of them. You don't deserve to own a bird. You have the bird for two days and then try to turn around and sell it for a hundred and fifty dollars more than what you paid for him.
He did respond back twice.
1st Response:
No i just spent almost 170.00 on a large bag of food and toys yesterday at Sugarcreek and the young lady Bernie suggested I put it on here as it scares the kids to death and decided to stick with the smaller parrots. Just trying to get exactly what I spent back.
2nd Response:
I do feel bad for having to get rid of him so soon but I am just trying to find him a home where he can get more family attention, since the kids are scared of his loudness and his size. We really thought we were ready to move up to a bigger bird but was wrong. Didn't know until we tried.

I'm not even going to respond to him. This guys excuses are illogical and idiotic. I don't understand how anyone would think that a macaw wasn't going to be loud (especially at first). In the end it doesn't matter and will just upset me more. I didn't even go to the auction for the auction. I went because they had more vendors and I wanted to get more stuff for making toys for Coby. It was my first experience with a bird auction and likely to be my last.

 

[Tonkatiel]

The whole part of just wanting to get his money back may well be true - but to decide after only 2 days! That this bird isnt right for him?? Wow. As you said, a macaw is big, is loud, and these things aren't exactly hidden. He went into this knowing exactly what he was getting...

 

[MonicaMc]

Reading this it only makes me wonder about all the birds captured at the border and have to be at a quarantine station for however long it takes for the people to be prosecuted for illegally smuggling birds (and what have you) across the border...

That alone can take months, if not years... and then for these quarantine stations to turn around and auction the birds off to the highest bidder... They can't return the birds to where they were captured, and since these birds are typically wild caught birds, well there really isn't a market for them in the *PET* industry... so highest bidder could be a breeder, some person off the streets, or whoever shows up....

 

[Bird_Mom_to_Coby_the_GW]

Nowhere in my post did I condemn breeders or people who "Responsibly" purchase birds. Nor did I condemn someone who has been taking care of their feathered friend but unfortunately became ill and was no longer able to care for it. I thought I was very clear that I didn't agree with someone buying a bird and keeping it for two days and turning around and wanting to sell it. If what the guy said was true then he was extremely irresponsible in his purchase of the B&G and obviously didn't do the research that he should have before deciding to get the bird. His irresponsibility has nothing at all to do with responsible breeders and owners.

FYI: I didn't pay a dime for Coby. The guy who purchased him as a baby stuck him in a cage because he was pretty to look at. When Coby got to be too much for the guy to handle he was willing to trade Coby for some stuff that a friend of mine had. Coby was barely semi-tame when I got him, had no toys, only one small perch and maggots in his food that the guy tried to send with him.

 

[Jtbirds]

So then everyone let's stop judging through out the posts on this forum and just drop it... It is not worth the argument obviously someone uneducated came across a bird and made a mistake this happens everyday and we can't stop t so stop arguing and be mature about it.

id like to add i deal with this everyday doing rescue and you just cant fix... stupid i cant put it anymore nicely people are stupid and impulsive and horrible, but we cant fix humanity all we can try to do is fix the birds and starting arguments over something like this is not fixing any parrots.

 

[Abigal7]

I think it is weird to flip a bird in two days. I have to see it as trying to make a quick profit. Hopefully the bird would be better off without these people. I will add getting a Macaw is a very serious thing to consider. While all pet are a commitment a large birds brings extra stuff. Someone asked me if I would be interested in their blue and gold macaw. They explained they have him for eight years and now have very young children of their own that are scared of the bird's screams and the bird has a phobia of the children. He is a beautiful bird and I suggested they come to this forum and get some help rehoming him. However, with my small bird and small dog I do not think it would be a great setting and seeing as I never had such a large bird I did not consider myself the best canidate. I may have the time since I work night shift but I still did not feel it would be best for either the bird or me.

 

[DallyTsuka]

i want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt here, maybe he did not quite realize his kids would be scared of the noise. he may have known macaws are loud, but you don't know how kids might handle things. you just don't know these things. he could just be very honest with you in his response, or he might not be. we don't know 100%. it sucks for the bird, very much so, but maybe he will get a really good home with someone. i hope it is just a case where perhaps he didn't factor his kid's reaction into this purchase and that the bird has been treated well in the home he is currently at.

 

[Abigal7]

If there's a positive note to the situation it may be that the higher price the guy is asking for the bird may help weed out potential buyers who aren't serious about giving the bird a forever home. Lets just hope the guy doesn't get discouraged if no one bites on his price and drops it dramatically. And I'm not saying that everyone who couldn't afford to pay the higher price would provide a terrible home for the bird, or that everyone who's willing to pay the higher price would provide a good home. I'm just saying that over all the higher price may work to the bird's benefit.

Depends. You are correct that not everyone who couldn't afford to pay the higher price would provide a terrible home for the bird, or that everyone who's willing to pay the higher price would provide a good home. Whether, it takes him awhile to sell the bird depends on alot. I am just going by my mentality but most people probably would not take a bird if they see it as a problem bird. Anyone on a budget would not want to spend alot of money on a animal when there is a chance it can get deadly sick. There is a youtube video of a Macaw chained to a perch. Warning bird in this video curses
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1foQKD3OI]Macaw / Parrot cursing (Angry Bird saying WTF) - YouTube[/ame] They do this because they do not want the bird to fly a way. In other word they do not want over a thousand dollars flying out the door. Another example would be people with the means are more likely to have a marine water tank then someone on a budget.

 

[Abigal7]

Depends. You are correct that not everyone who couldn't afford to pay the higher price would provide a terrible home for the bird, or that everyone who's willing to pay the higher price would provide a good home. Whether, it takes him awhile to sell the bird depends on alot. I am just going by my mentality but most people probably would not take a bird if they see it as a problem bird. Anyone on a budget would not want to spend alot of money on a animal when there is a chance it can get deadly sick. There is a youtube video of a Macaw chained to a perch. Warning bird in this video curses

They do this because they do not want the bird to fly a way. In other word they do not want over a thousand dollars flying out the door. Another example would be people with the means are more likely to have a marine water tank then someone on a budget.

Yes, I've seen that video. It's quite disturbing

All I'm saying is that there's a slightly greater probability that if someone pays the higher price they would be more likely to be a serious and concerned parrot parent. (emphasis on slightly greater probability). But it's certainly no guarantee and the situation as described is not encouraging as far as what the poor Macaw's future may hold

I think the best determination if someone would be a good owner is they are willing to buy what the bird needs and take in to an avian vet, have researched and know what they are getting into, and of course want the bird and not see it as training wheels. Seeing a animal as only money (or conditioned to see them as such) will make animal be discarded or treated like the bird in the video is.

 

[MonicaMc]

There is a youtube video of a Macaw chained to a perch.....They do this because they do not want the bird to fly a way. In other word they do not want over a thousand dollars flying out the door.

Not to take it off track, but some people believe that chaining a parrot to a perch or stand is better than caging it... after all, a cage is "like a prison" and you can't see a parrot in all it's "glory" if it's behind bars... some cages are also so small that a parrot would not be able to fully spread it's wings out or perhaps may not have enough room for their tail feathers, where-as a chained parrot would.

Now, I don't agree with chaining a parrot to anything, it's just a different perspective on things.

 

[Abigal7]

I do not think they are abusing this macaw. They admited the reason they did it was so he can not fly away. I can see a parrot being better on a stand or in a aviary then being caged. I do not know how long the bird was chained. However, I would think being chained to a stand would feel as much as a prison as a small cage or even a cage that is big enough. My bird likes to come out of her cage but I would argue she also considers in a safe spot and does not hate her cage. I think their intentions were not bad but probably could be considered misguided. There is the theory that back in earlier times raptors and parrots were chained to a perch. This is still practiced in falconry. As for parrots I doubt they spent all day chained to a perch and probably had peoplel around them all day, etc.