Potentially Have To Re-Home

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Apologies for the long post, but I promise it's all related.

So... I was hospitalised for 4 days this week after dealing with respiratory problems that progressed over six weeks. Multiple nurse and GP visits before hospitalisation which ended up with a trip to A&E, another GP visit, who ended up sending me to the ACU. Multiple blood tests, an x-ray and a CT scan later, they diagnosed me with Hypersensitive Pneumonitis and I had to be admitted to be put on oxygen until they pulled me out of the danger zone.

I'm now on 8 steroids and two antibiotics a day while I wait for a bronchoscopy which should, hopefully, be on the 24th.

So... Anyone familiar with HP isn't surprised to read that the doctors have mentioned it might be caused by my bird. A female Indian Ringneck named Sunny (or Sunday, if I'm feeling fancy) who I've owned for almost 10 years- picked her out as a baby and had her since she was weaned. She's my only bird, although I have occasionally been exposed to birds beforehand, especially when I looked after an ex's cockatiel for a year before owning Sunny. They were a little unsure, as other potential causes were oral Minoxidil I had started taking 8 months ago (male balding, woe is me) as well as the fact that I work as a cleaner at a gym which includes cleaning the sauna at the end of my shift... Damp wood and contaminated sauna water both being a potential cause of HP (maybe mould, too? Damp environments, after all), to. Needless to say, I'm praying work or pills are responsible, or anything else, over my bird. I'd honestly prefer to go bald or quit my job than give up my bird.

I have clinical depression, an anxiety disorder, chronic pain and am autistic. Sunny is just... she's my best friend, you know? I love her. My life revolves around her and vise versa. She stays in my bedroom (where I spend a lot of my time, eek) and as long as I'm home in my room (awake), she's out. She's such a little gremlin. Affectionate but ferocious. She begs for tickles and will immediately switch to attack mode and back... I've learned the signs over the years to avoid more finger scars, so now it's just a funny quirk of hers that makes me laugh. I have a small seagull plushie that she swaps between trying to murder, flirt with and feed. She loves my mother too, and when it's time for bed, she will throw a tantrum if her Nana doesn't come in and say goodnight. She doesn't really speak, but she can somewhat mimic the rhythmic sound of "Hi, baby!", wolf whistles thanks to my mother, makes funny little nonsense noises and is just altogether my silly, feisty little girl. If I lie down in bed, she doesn't scream. She lets me rest without disturbance. Rubber ducks and jingle balls are both her friends and enemies and she loves to throw them off the edge of whatever they might be sitting on.

She spins on command, shakes hands (...foot?), waves hello, bows, goes under my hand on command and steps up, but has very poor recall. She's very stubborn, actually. She knows how to step up, but if she doesn't want to, she won't, and will instead lower her beak to your finger in refusal... and mild threat, hahah. When she wants something, she will repeatedly spin and wave her foot as if to say "Look! I'm doing a trick! Give it to me!".

Her favourite treats are peanuts, peanut butter, those little jelly pots for birds, strawberries and apples... She loves soy beans too, but prefers them without the skins. Likewise with green beans- she'll only eat them if they've been popped out of the pod. She's funny in how she often won't eat new things unless she sees me eating it first, then it's all she wants.

She used to be on a typical pet store bird diet for a year or two before I converted her to Harrison's Lifetime Coarse pellet diet. I was totally expecting the conversion to take a while due to reading other people's experiences, but it barely took a week after putting the tiniest amount of peanut butter on a pellet and offering them to her as a treat. Hasn't gone back to a seed based diet since.

... I could go on, but I won't.

The point of this post is... If my HP does end up being caused by birds, how do I even begin to cope with having to rehome Sunny? I've been looking up parrot rescues (UK only, I live in Wales) and every single one seems to have at least some negative reviews about their practices, which is more than enough to scare me away from them. Not only am I worrying about how this would affect me, but how it would affect Sunny, too. I understand why I'd have to rehome her, but Sunny does not. How do I know whoever she goes to is looking after her properly? Understands and appreciates her quirks, good and bad? Doesn't get mad and frustrated with her when she bites out of nowhere?

How do I know they will keep her for the rest of her life instead of passing her off to someone else? Will they take her to the vet regularly? Do they have pet insurance? Will they supplement her diet with things like Calcivet and Avipro?

Will they play with her in the way she likes? Give her appropriate amounts of attention? Respond to her specific whistles in the way she likes?

I can't stand the thought of losing her, but what's even more unbearable is the idea of someone not caring for Sunny in a way she's used to or makes her happy. I'd have to trust a stranger with my little girl, to trust their word that she's doing well. Photos and videos only prove so much. I do a home visit- so what? People lie, people pretend, just to get their hands on a bird. Sunny isn't a breeding bird, she's a companion. What if they just use her for breeding? She's not been with other birds since she was a baby, so I don't even know how she'd cope being with in a flock. The way she reacts to bird-shaped objects leads me to believe she wouldn't enjoy it, but I'm not sure.

... What if they just stick her in an aviary? I've tried taking Sunny outside in travel cages for natural sunlight and she would panic every single time. Even taking her downstairs for a larger room to fly around in (she has never had her wings clipped), she seems uncomfortable. Less sure of herself. She prefers to stay in my bedroom most of the time, unless it's to take her to the bathroom to give her a misting (her preferred way of bathing!).

I might be worrying over nothing, I know that, but... I can't help it. It's bringing me to tears. I have to wait for the results of the allergen blood test to know more; I believe it was one specific for birds? I'm going to call the doctor up in a few days to see if there's any news on that front. I like to think that since I'm home now and haven't gotten worse again that it's a good sign, but... I mean... As of writing this, I've only been home for a single day and I'm on steroids, so... Y'know.

I doubt anything anybody could say would actually make me feel better, but... I'm desperately seeking comfort and advice. I struggle with life a lot. I'm 32 and still live with my parents and it has taken me a long time to be able to find and keep a job that didn't clash with my mental and physical health. My pets, Sunny especially, are my safe space. My refuge. I don't know what to do.

Anyway... Here's Sunny, and thank you for your time.
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I have severe asthma and am under the care of a pulminolgist. I told him that I have a lot of budgies (19). He had me get a CT of my chest to determine if I had any lung problem other than asthma. I didn't. He told me that if I had "bird keepers lung" he would have been able to see it on the CT. Since I don't and since I use multiple HEPA filter machines and don't keep birds in my bedroom I don't have to get rid of my birds. What a relief that was!

I hope you get good news. You're situation is very sad and I can totally relate.
I assume they think you may be allergic to your bird but an allergy to chickens, ducks or geese (that's what most bird allergy tests are specific to) doesn't mean an allergy to all birds. Keep this in mind if your allergy test comes out positive.
You should keep your bird in any room other than where you sleep, and use a HEPA air filter machine in your bedroom regardless of what's causing your HP.
I'm hoping and praying your bird isn't the cause. I'd be heartbroken if I had to rehome all my birds.
I'd see an allergist if I were you before I rehomed my bird to rule out other possible causes like mold etc. Keep us posted!
 
I have severe asthma and am under the care of a pulminolgist. I told him that I have a lot of budgies (19). He had me get a CT of my chest to determine if I had any lung problem other than asthma. I didn't. He told me that if I had "bird keepers lung" he would have been able to see it on the CT. Since I don't and since I use multiple HEPA filter machines and don't keep birds in my bedroom I don't have to get rid of my birds. What a relief that was!

I hope you get good news. You're situation is very sad and I can totally relate.
I assume they think you may be allergic to your bird but an allergy to chickens, ducks or geese (that's what most bird allergy tests are specific to) doesn't mean an allergy to all birds. Keep this in mind if your allergy test comes out positive.
You should keep your bird in any room other than where you sleep, and use a HEPA air filter machine in your bedroom regardless of what's causing your HP.
I'm hoping and praying your bird isn't the cause. I'd be heartbroken if I had to rehome all my birds.
I'd see an allergist if I were you before I rehomed my bird to rule out other possible causes like mold etc. Keep us posted!
Oooh, how I wish my situation was the same of yours! I'm glad you got to keep your budgies!

We're definitely considering moving her to a different room- it'd be an adjustment for her, but... it's still far better than having to uproot her entire life. I could still bring her to my room for out of cage time, after all. Our home is small, however... and one of the rooms she'd most likely move to is right next to the kitchen. Eek. Gonna have to get rid of all those non-stick pots and pans.

I do have an air purifier in my room, but it's small (it's this one), so I'm considering getting one that's better for air circulation. Like this one, maybe?

I'm hoping the blood test they sent off covers multiple allergens and not just birds- it'd be silly for them to just do a single allergen considering I have other potential triggers... And having said that, the antibiotics they put me on are for fungal infections too, so fingers crossed whatever triggered my lungs to go haywire is anything but bird related. There's also the bronchoscopy- they originally wanted to do it before starting me on medication so they could get a raw sample, but they couldn't get me in for one until the 24th, which was far too long to wait without treating my lungs. I'm still having it done as a precaution, so it might find something, but it might not...

Seeing a proper allergist is a good idea; I'll work on finding a good one in my area while I wait for my blood test results; the waiting is painful!
 
I have severe asthma and am under the care of a pulminolgist. I told him that I have a lot of budgies (19). He had me get a CT of my chest to determine if I had any lung problem other than asthma. I didn't. He told me that if I had "bird keepers lung" he would have been able to see it on the CT. Since I don't and since I use multiple HEPA filter machines and don't keep birds in my bedroom I don't have to get rid of my birds. What a relief that was!

I hope you get good news. You're situation is very sad and I can totally relate.
I assume they think you may be allergic to your bird but an allergy to chickens, ducks or geese (that's what most bird allergy tests are specific to) doesn't mean an allergy to all birds. Keep this in mind if your allergy test comes out positive.
You should keep your bird in any room other than where you sleep, and use a HEPA air filter machine in your bedroom regardless of what's causing your HP.
I'm hoping and praying your bird isn't the cause. I'd be heartbroken if I had to rehome all my birds.
I'd see an allergist if I were you before I rehomed my bird to rule out other possible causes like mold etc. Keep us posted!
My typo. I DID get a CT of my chest and I don't have bird keepers lung.
Are there any other animals in your home? If so make sure you tell your doctor.
If you do have bird keepers lung it will be necessary to reduce or eliminate exposure to birds. I don't know if rehoming would be your only option. HEPA filters? A different room? I don't know but the condition is quite serious. I really feel for you.
 
I realize that in the UK it can take a long time to see a specialist.
As for the room next to your kitchen, that's a good idea and eliminating nonstick pots and pans isn't that difficult unless your family isn't cooperative.
What other birds do you have in the house? Other pets?
I couldn't open the link to the picture of your air filter. If you get a new one look at the size of the room it's designed for and chose one that rated for room thats larger than your room. Meaning, OVERSIZE the air filter. Get the biggest air filter you can, put it right next to the cage, and run it on high speed.
 
Respiratory diseases really are frightening and dangerous. I was taken to the ER via ambulance at 4am this morning in the middle of a snowstorm. My three mile dirt road was not plowed. My oxygen saturation was 75% and I couldn't get enough air for my nebulizer to get the medicine to my lungs. The EMTs saved my life with an epinephrine shot, oxygen, and iv steroids and I spent the rest of the day in the ER. Irecovered enough to go home 12 hours later.

If your bird is the cause of your lung disease you may not have any choice but to rehome.

I don't think my birds are the cause but if they are I will need to either live without them or not live at all. Dying from lack of oxygen is a truly horrible way to go. The panic when you can't get air is indescribable.
 
I live in constant fear of it happening again. This wasn't the first time.
 
I realize that in the UK it can take a long time to see a specialist.
As for the room next to your kitchen, that's a good idea and eliminating nonstick pots and pans isn't that difficult unless your family isn't cooperative.
What other birds do you have in the house? Other pets?
I couldn't open the link to the picture of your air filter. If you get a new one look at the size of the room it's designed for and chose one that rated for room thats larger than your room. Meaning, OVERSIZE the air filter. Get the biggest air filter you can, put it right next to the cage, and run it on high speed.
I'm seeing a specialist on the 24th- not sure if I'm getting the Bronchoscopy then or not... but I should hopefully get any blood test results this week.

My mother was exasperated in a good humored way, but she loves Sunny as well so I think she's willing. My dad, as grumpy as he can be about clutter in the house, said himself that he doesn't want me to have to giver her up. So, there's that.

Okay, so- this is the one I have now is the Russell Hobbs 1L Fresh Air Pro Compact 2 in 1 Black Dehumidifier & Air Purifier:
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It doubles as a dehumidifier and is suitable for a room up to 20 m²... My bedroom is small, so that covers it more than enough. Has a HEPA filter but despite only buying it less than a year ago, I can only get replacement filters that last a couple of months that cost £20 for ONE. Damn.

The one I'm thinking of getting NOW is the Shark NeverChange5 Air Purifier MAX.
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It covers a room up to 130 m² and reportedly doesn't need to have its filters changed for up to five years if you keep the grills clean...
 
I would not give up Sunny, except as a last ditch, die or live situation! Wishing you the best luck!
It's what it feels like to me; just having to live not knowing how Sunny is being treated or whether she's happy or not... Just thinking about it feels like psychological torture.
 
Respiratory diseases really are frightening and dangerous. I was taken to the ER via ambulance at 4am this morning in the middle of a snowstorm. My three mile dirt road was not plowed. My oxygen saturation was 75% and I couldn't get enough air for my nebulizer to get the medicine to my lungs. The EMTs saved my life with an epinephrine shot, oxygen, and iv steroids and I spent the rest of the day in the ER. Irecovered enough to go home 12 hours later.

If your bird is the cause of your lung disease you may not have any choice but to rehome.

I don't think my birds are the cause but if they are I will need to either live without them or not live at all. Dying from lack of oxygen is a truly horrible way to go. The panic when you can't get air is indescribable.
Oh gosh, I'm so sorry! That sounds terrifying! While my breath was constantly short and labored, I only suffocated if I moved around... But I agree, it's torture. I was breathing but because of my inflamed alveoli, very little oxygen was making it into my bloodstream.

I hope for both our sakes birds are not the reason, and if they are, we can find a better solution. :(
 
Depending on the humidity where you live I wouldn't run the dehumidifier. I actually run a humidifier to bring the moisture up. It just depends on your situation. Also the higher moisture content makes the dust settle faster or it seems that way to me.
 
Depending on the humidity where you live I wouldn't run the dehumidifier. I actually run a humidifier to bring the moisture up. It just depends on your situation. Also the higher moisture content makes the dust settle faster or it seems that way to me.
I run it because I had a problem with mould- lots of condensation forms on my windows and it was creeping along the walls...

At the moment, with the dehumidifier running and my window open a little, the humidity in my bedroom(according to my sensor, anyway) is 42.4%. In Wales, it depends to get ridiculously humid... My town's average outside right now is 75%.
 
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i have sympty for you i had to give up my little bunny angle when my copd got worse...im a little more informed now....dont want to give you faluse hope but here are some ideas.... not all of which you or sonny will like....first have you thought of using a mask over your noise and mouth when up close to sunny? or a resperater ? my little sister is an independt insurence adjuster and she often uses a resperater when going in some houses that might help IF your lungs are stronge enough to help protect you while working with her and playing with her? you keep her in your bedroom at night how close is her cage to your bed? i know they hate change but maybe moving her cage farther away from your bed will help as well as getting 2 or 3 covers for her cage....fairly thick ones to help keep the dander dusts feathers from flying to close to your bed...i said 2 or 3 or more because the cage covers will have to be washed how often i dont know would depend on how you feel but at least every other day i would i think...and perhaps your mom or dad could clean her cage for you when it needs changing....a vacume with a hepa fliter might be helpful as well the rugs everyday as usuly but with an attatchement for doing furnture which would have to be done like i said as often as you need to....and of course washing your face and hands after handling her EVERY TIME some of these things will scare sonny im sure but it might be easer on both of you IF these things help ....BUT before you do anything TALK to your dr... expline what changes you plan on making and see if the dr is on board ...or if he or she has any other suggestions that might help your sisution....or even IF you dr thinks none of these things will be enough....to let you keep sonny oh and you might have to clean or have someone else clean sonnys cage more often then you do now....but again TALK TO YOUR DR FIRST and maybe even your bird vet who might also have some suggestions .....will be praying for both you and sonny
 
My plexiglass cages have built in four inch diameter ventilation fans that draw fresh air into them via 50 holes drilled in the sides and top. I put a piece of air purifier pre-filter pad over the exhaust exit to catch the bird dust on its way out. It acts to remove the bird dust before it reaches the room air and keeps the air inside the cage fresh for the birds.
 

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