Penny is sick, I've been holding back making a thread

[Jen5200]

Well many of us learned a ton from following your journey - I know that I did. I can’t imagine the emotions you must have (and probably still are) experiencing - it was a roller coaster even for those of us following from afar. You are an amazing birdie nurse, and your flock is so lucky to have you.

 

[LaManuka]

Well many of us learned a ton from following your journey - I know that I did. I can’t imagine the emotions you must have (and probably still are) experiencing - it was a roller coaster even for those of us following from afar. You are an amazing birdie nurse, and your flock is so lucky to have you.

Amen to this!!

And I think this is probably my new favourite pic of Ta-dah!!

You've done such incredible work and I hope this rollercoaster ride will be over for you soon, you must be exhausted. I'm so happy and relieved for you and your flock Laura!

 

[Laurasea]

Lamanuka you always soo funny and witty!

I should add i still have the radiant heat panel on Ta-dah, and while I let her out morning abd afternoon I keep her caged by tge heat tge rest of tge time.

Penny has gone up to 104 grams.. he had been 97-100 as her normal I feel she had some sort of a chronic infection, perhaps her new normal should be more like Pikachu and be 108 or higher.. she certainly is the strongest flyer she has ever been since I got her. I still give her 2ml baby burds formula at the end of the day , as she isn't eating pellets and vet says 2 more weeks before full recovery..

This is another thread with a very sick cockatiel with Chlamydia. Besides tge terrible eye symptoms, his iris also darkened with the infection. Birds eyes are different then ours and th Inflammation behind them can make the iris look red or black with infection. I think this bird would have benefit from hsnd feeding baby bird formula as well as git very thin and dibIm linking it fir all the good information. This bird also took a long time to recover
Their is debating about azithromyacin, but I have a study that shows azithromyacin works, tho usually doxycycline is the treatment of choice. Azithromyacin was chosen because Penny was almost dead, and Azithromyacin works quickly and is bactrocidal , ( kills bacteria) while doxycycline is Bactrostatic ( keeps bacteria from multiplying), the only 2 antibiotics fir treatment of chlamydia i think. Tho tetracycline family might work.
http://www.parrotforums.com/cockatiels/77796-psittacosis-doxycycline-azithromycin.html

The start of Shine's journey with Chlamydia

http://www.parrotforums.com/cockatiels/77521-very-little-water-eyes.html

The happy ending of above burd
http://www.parrotforums.com/off-topic/81784-shine-back-forum.html

This is the azithromyacin and doxycycline study. Vets font seem to have started to use it as much yet. But my vet has multiple specialty and doctorates and experience and is cutting edge. She and I feel Penny would not have been saved with out the azithromyacin !! She would urge anyone with a critical parrot to discuss azithromyacin with their vet, the vets can use VIN to find information.
https://www.vin.com/vin/
Or use this vet specialist vet telemedicine

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20496604/

I see the thread crossed 11,000 views! Probably 10,000 were me tho lol!

 

[Ellie777Australia]

Laura, you're a Florence Nightingale to your flock. C'mon Ta-dah, gain some weight please!!

That is high praise indeed! I'm not even close lol....I just Google her, what an astonishing nurse she was. She is attributed to reduction of deaths by more than two thirds at the hospitals she took over. That is a statistical miracle!!!! A remarkable woman, and incredible nurse, and a force if change.
https://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/florence-nightingale-1

Laura, I just caught up from page 27 to the wonderful news of your flock being back to their usual selves.Yippee . I assure you that if Florence Nightingale were here today she would surely say that YOU are a 'remarkable woman and incredible nurse'. Your detailed thread will assist many in the future. Well done.

 

[Lisa999]

More cute bird pictures - thank you for posting them. They are adorable!
So great to hear that your birds are doing better and Ta-dah's treatment is going well.
The picture of Penny and Cloudy is so cute!

 

[Scott]

Still in awe, Laura!! It takes a village to save a flock of sick birds - you as caregiver, veterinarian, pharmaceuticals. Most of us are dedicated but few have your incredible skills!!

 

[Laurasea]

You guys are over the top! Thanks! It was a full time job.

Today will be beans for birds day!
" Cooked beans are a favorite treat of many birds, but raw, dry beans can be extremely harmful to your pet.4 Uncooked beans contain a poison called hemagglutinin which is very toxic to birds.

To avoid exposure, thoroughly cook any beans that you choose to share with your bird and avoid leaving dried beans in an easily accessible location. "

I was just reading some links Ellie777Australia had shared in an Eclectus post. So perfect since it's bean day lol!!! Beans are so great. So read the link about their bean product mix, it explains bean greatness .
https://www.birdhealth.com.au/nutritional-supplements
Ok can't link do goes right to beans so copied.
" Organic Beans

Low GI High Protein Bean Mix for Pet and Breeding Parrots

Formulated from culture tested superior quality organic beans, Tassie's Beans are especially important for Cockatiels, Eclectus, Galahs, Conures, White Cockatoos and other pet birds susceptible to cholesterol problems and Fatty Liver Disease (FLD). Tassie's Organic Beans are also recommended to improve fertility and breeding outcomes.

Introduction

Beans are a most versatile and nutritious food for all types of parrots, as they are an excellent source of protein, low in fat, contain no cholesterol and are high in fibre, folate, potassium, iron and magnesium.

Dr Marshall and Tailai O'Brien have developed a culture tested bean mix for larger parrots to provide them with variety and a low Glycaemic Index (GI) food. This type of food provides both pet parrots with a perfect protein balance and helps protects susceptible individuals from Cholesterol and Fatty Liver problems. This culture tested bean mix is also a perfect addition to the diet of breeding parrots as it is high in methionine, which is often called the breeding amino acid, and because fatty liver is a most common cause of infertile eggs problems, this bean diet will improve fertility.

Purchase The Product
Our culture tested dried bean mix makes a perfect GI food option for pet birds, as they are a useful source of protein, high in fibre and low in fat.



Our dried bean mix provides parrots with a nutrient dense food that satisfies the appetite and has a low glycaemic index (GI). With the addition of Turbobooster, this mix is ideal for pet birds as it provides the three major amino acids lysine, methionine and tryptophan that are often lacking in the other food types (millet seeds, fruits and vegetables) commonly fed to birds. Turbobooster is the first choice product when aiming to produce fertile eggs and improve breeding outcomes in breeding pairs that continue to lay infertile eggs.



The protein content of vegetables is an incomplete source even from those high protein vegetables such as spinach. The low fat cereal grains are low in lysine and the beans low in methionine. For this reason we have developed a mixture of beans and peas to balance the protein needs of your pet and breeding parrots. Providing fresh fruit and vegetables still remains an important part of a the diet of both breeding and pet parrots.



Field peas are added to our bean mix because they provide higher levels of cystine and methionine that are important in the diets of parrots for feather strength and especially when they moult. White beans (also called navy beans) are the best natural source of biotin, which has been found to help reverse fatty liver disease.



We use beans with a lower glycemic response - i.e. black-eyed beans, kidney beans, green lentils, red lentils, split peas. We use this diet together with other low glycaemic fruits and vegetables to treat Fatty liver disease.



The best way to prepare dried beans involves rehydrating them, then cooking them. Prepare a large batch in advance and freeze them as small portions in ice cube trays for quick meals during the week.



Preparation

Dried beans need to be soaked before they are cooked. The soaking process limits cooking time and preserves its nutrients. Soaking also prevents the side effects of gas flatulence and the discomfort of indigestion caused by dried beans.


The beans maybe boiled first then soaked or vice a versa. They must be rinsed clean before and after soaking. The dirty water associated with the soaking process must not be used to cook the beans in.



Overnight Soaking

Measure out the quantity of beans to be cooked. Using a sieve rinse the beans thoroughly under cool running water in order to clean them thoroughly.

Pour the bean mix into a bowl, cover with cold water and remove any "floaters" as these will not cook properly.


Place the bowl in the refrigerator overnight or for eight hours. This soaking process softens the peas and shortens cooking time, which is necessary to retain the nutrients within the beans. The overnight soaking starts the germination process, which converts the complex sugars into simple sugars. In so doing the problem of uncomfortable gas "flatulence" and indigestion is reduced. The overnight soak reduces 60% of complex sugars responsible for gas formation.



Before cooking the beans it is necessary to again rinse and drain the beans three to four times until the dirty water runs clean. In order to completely eliminate the possibility of indigestion for your pet bird, do not use the dirt water to cook the beans.

Fill pot with enough clean water to cover the beans. Boil in microwave for 1-15 minutes or bring to boil, then cover and simmer for 1-2 hours until beans reach the desired tenderness.

Serve hot on own or with cooked brown rice and vegetables. Drain off the water and pour the beans into a heavy pot with a lid. Fill the pot with enough water to cover the beans.


Shorter Soaking Method

Measure out the quantity of beans to be cooked.Using a sieve rinse the beans thoroughly under cool running water in order to clean them thoroughly.



Pour the bean mix into a bowl, cover with cold water and remove any "floaters" as these will not cook properly.


Add 2 cups of water to every cup of beans and boil for 2-3 minutes.



Allow beans to sit for 2 hours in same water.



Rinse beans thoroughly until water is clean when it is time to cook them.



These cooked beans may also be frozen into small portions in an ice cube tray and reheated when required.



This is the best method for preserving the key nutrients in our bean mix.

Recipes

Our Bean Mix can be incorporated into any daily meal. For birds with cholesterol and fatty liver problems it is best given in the evening meal. It may be mixed with boiled brown rice (GI = 48) or buckwheat (GI = 25), and low GI fruits (e.g. grapefruit GI = 25, tomato GI = 25, prunes GI = 29) and vegetables (e.g. green peas, broccoli, celery spinach, brussel sprouts, red peppers)."


My beans! Prior to washing and cooking . ( don't feed raw uncooked besns!)

Ta-dah down 1 gram 68
Pretending that didn't happen.....small fluctuate is normal....but she should be going up...grrrr

 

[Scott]

Beans, beans, are good for your heart.... Most of my flock eats one or more of the following: Lima, pinto, garbanzo, (chickpea) black, (turtle beans) and kidney.

Hoping Ta-dah reverses her weight loss!

 

[Laurasea]

Beans, beans, are good for your heart.... Most of my flock eats one or more of the following: Lima, pinto, garbanzo, (chickpea) black, (turtle beans) and kidney.

Hoping Ta-dah reverses her weight loss!

How do you prepare and store, and serve? How often do you feed beans? I just do once in awhile, probably should more often. Going to freeze in ice cube trays like the tip said.

Penny has been loving spinach lately! Never ate before she got sick....birds are weird.
Still waiting on my bean's to cook....

Bean day will have to be tomorrow lol. Finally got done each parrot ate at least one bean..
Earlier got carrots, cauliflower, and celery . Carrots were the favorite, some days they dont like carrots, so glad they enjoyed today.

Tomorrow I hope Ta-dah gains

 

[Lisa999]

I know that for people it's better to cook beans in a pressure cooker - pressure cooking destroys lectins. I read it a while back and cook beans and quinoa for my family only in an InstantPot. I don't know how it is recommended for birds, I saw beans being prepared at a bird rescue in a pressure cooker as well with spices - which surprised me. It was cinnamon and something else - I am yet to research it out.

 

[fiddlejen]

I get dehydrated beans from AvianNaturals .com . I called before my first order and verified, the dehydrated beans are fully pre-cooked.

For me, this is the most cost-effective option. I try to mostly follow low-carb, so I never cook beans for myself; and Sunny loves beans, and peas too which I cannot eat. I get dehydrated veggies from Avian Naturals also. They have premade mixes, but I get the mix where you choose your own ingredients. (I choose dehydrated beans, and veggies that I don't keep on hand fresh.) For smaller birds, the dried veggies & dehydrated veggies & beans will go a Long Way and last a long time.

 

[noodles123]

Just be VERY careful about the types of beans and about whether they are intended for sprouting-- sprouting vs non-sprouting beans are treated very differently.

 

[Laurasea]

I get dehydrated beans from AvianNaturals .com . I called before my first order and verified, the dehydrated beans are fully pre-cooked.

For me, this is the most cost-effective option. I try to mostly follow low-carb, so I never cook beans for myself; and Sunny loves beans, and peas too which I cannot eat. I get dehydrated veggies from Avian Naturals also. They have premade mixes, but I get the mix where you choose your own ingredients. (I choose dehydrated beans, and veggies that I don't keep on hand fresh.) For smaller birds, the dried veggies & dehydrated veggies & beans will go a Long Way and last a long time.

Thanks! That would be easier!

I've just bern using human beans, for me and them, but makes for bland beans for me.
O do have a mix i use from Volcan for birds.
But the fiber in beans and all is good for us too

 

[SailBoat]

We are a non-bean home (nor, non-sprouting) as neither of us have any interest in cooking beans or sprouting them. No greater reason than that. So, no advice good or bad from us.

 

[Laurasea]

I'm so frustrated. Ta-dah is down a gram again to 67...thst 9.4% loss off her normal of 74 grams.. im so frustrated
On Saturday she flung her head and vomiting or spit up the meds. Today I went really slow on made sure she swallow each tiny drop . Then when I let her go she definitely vomited head flinging, then did lots of gagging.

I'm waiting to hear from vet. See if we change meds, stop meds.or keep going....

I want this to be over I thought was over and they all well with just Tdah to finish meds...

She is eating. She is abnormally eating all the time! Poops normal, lots of fecal matter

Behavior seems normal. She has taken a bath every day fir the last 3 days that her normal, she normally chooses to take a bath daily. During the first parr if her illness she stopped taking baths.

 

[Scott]

Ta-dah's weight loss despite eating seems odd. Might there be anything else going on with her, or just part of how she is recovering?

 

[Laurasea]

I agree Scott and I'm worried.
Had brief text exchange with vet, wants me to give half dose tonight. Want to stay with this medicine.
But tonight I plan and expressing my concerns more clearly.
I trust my vet completely.
But Ta-dah has had a hard time with this medicine from tge beginning, always spitting it out flinging it or actually vomiting it..
So is she nit getting full dose?
Did Blue Boy bring in parasites too?
Am I just freaking when I shouldn't?
She did aspirate that one day, and the vet said thst would make recovery longer....
She should be gaining, everyday like all rge other burds did....
They all did so different with this, Penny almost died, but never lost that much weight. Penny max weight loss was 6% Ta-dah max weight loss was 12%
O don't like it at all abd my nerves are burned out

 

[Jen5200]

We’re all rooting for you and Tadah. We are willing her from afar to gain back some weight. Hugs from the other coast.

 

[Laurasea]

Well Ta-dah is sitting with me, its our Mommy and me time, she picked this time and goes nuts if I don't get her out for a cuddle.

Well I have just discovered she has a sinus swelling over her left nostril.. you can't see it only feel it. She kept sticking her toenails in her left nostril and itching it tonight. So I was like let mommy check that out, and discovered the swelling .....ugh....guess thst explains the weight loss
Is it from the aspiration?????
Will do steam room tomorrow , possibly try and flush...
And her beak feels hot

 

[noodles123]

UGH! one thing after another



Remember how cold you feel getting out of a steam room or shower and remember that she will likely feel colder- if you can amp up the temp in the house and make the transition more gradual before leaving the bathroom, I'd suggest it.