Kylo updates

[Alembic772]

So, I have a question for anyone who is a veterinarian or associated with them. We noticed tonight that while her tail and vent are lame, when she chirps and flock calls, her tail goes up and down. This means there is still some type of motor / muscle control, right ? This is a good sign that she has still some nerves that are working ? Just looking to see if we are being too hopeful.


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When you say her vent is "lame", you mean that she lacks sensation? She is still defecating independently, correct?

She poops when she gets excited and flock calls. What I mean by lame is she doesn’t seem to have motor control of the area voluntarily. Like she hasn’t wagged her tail or even tried to preen herself on her tail itself. It just always goes back to straight behind her when she is perched or sits like she is sitting on it when in her habitat.

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[noodles123]

So, I have a question for anyone who is a veterinarian or associated with them. We noticed tonight that while her tail and vent are lame, when she chirps and flock calls, her tail goes up and down. This means there is still some type of motor / muscle control, right ? This is a good sign that she has still some nerves that are working ? Just looking to see if we are being too hopeful.


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When you say her vent is "lame", you mean that she lacks sensation? She is still defecating independently, correct?

She poops when she gets excited and flock calls. What I mean by lame is she doesn’t seem to have motor control of the area voluntarily. Like she hasn’t wagged her tail or even tried to preen herself on her tail itself. It just always goes back to straight behind her when she is perched or sits like she is sitting on it when in her habitat.

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I am not a vet, but tails help them balance a lot and she seems to be doing much better with that. I think that this will improve in time (given the progress with her feet thus far). People often regain movement in their fingers and toes first (her tail is attached to her core..just my thought). Sweet baby!

 

[Scott]

Magnificent progress since Day One!

Tried to find parrot nervous system diagrams but basic search no help. Will try again during the day.

 

[Cagzo]

She is so adorable,and a vast improvement too. Well done to you all.

 

[noodles123]

This show is SOOO cheesy..the INTRO KILLS ME!!!! (but it's addictive lol!)--This was a quarantine discovery of mine! haha

Anyway-- he is NOT an avian vet and I don't always agree with the way he handles things with birds ( sometimes he misses environmental;/behavioral things etc), BUT, he does see birds. I pulled out the parts on the cockatiel that remind me of Kylo's situation. (see time stamps below).
They always try to make it dramatic with the narration/commentary, so just keep that in mind

watch:
21:58 to 23:24 and then....

26:03- 28:05..Not sure I agree entirely about the broken wing statement but...oh well...then...

29:48-31:54
(not sure I like his idea about the ice-pack--they should have explained that better--rightfully, the cold-pack is only on the bird for a few seconds, but you could seriously harm a bird doing it for longer!!!! eek/LOL!!!! I was ranting at him through the TV because birds are so sensitive to temperature and they didn't do a good job of making that clear)...BUT I DIGRESS lol


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Regardless of my opinions about the wing and ice-pack situations, he is generally successful with parrots (and he is an actual exotics vet-- he actually quit the show but is still practicing). Anyway, your bird had x-rays (so they would have seen spinal issues)...because that is what he was mostly worried about.

ALSO, they air the show weeks after treating the animal, so if the bird hadn't pulled through, I doubt they would have used the clips at all without a follow-up. Occasionally an animal does die on the show, but that's all the more reason to believe that they would have shown it. From what I have read, if they do not follow-up, it is usually because the animal is fine but their story is not as exciting or dramatic as some of the others haha!

Based on what vets have said and how you described the fall, I imagine Kylo did something similar. I hope this is somewhat reassuring!

 

[Alembic772]

Here she is today at weigh in before her afternoon feeding and medicine. She is eating well still and we are maintaining the weight. She wants out of the tub, and constantly jumps and tries to fly out. She is lonely, I think, because she always had Nemo with her. She comes out and wants us to give her pats and scratches. She likes to lay on her side when she is with us so she can preen her feet areas. She hears the other conures calling her and she wants to fly and run out to them. Hopefully in time. Nemo was with her last night on my fiancé’s chest sleeping, as we feel safe that this is not a biological agent that caused her condition.

This morning she had a lot of poop on her from crawling around in her tub with her soft towels. When she gets excited and chirps she poops and doesn’t appear she can control it again. I cleaned her up with some warm water and a microfiber cloth.


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[Alembic772]

Kylo is currently back with Dr Brooks. Her poo was very watery and smelly this morning. They didn’t have an appointment slot but asked us to bring her in and drop her off. They want to see if she has an infection now causing the smelly poop.

When I dropped her off the nurses were like “are you sure that is the same bird?” She was happy and wanting to perch and they seemed to notice the huge difference too.


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[Scott]

Good idea to have her poo analyzed! Continued respect for a veterinary clinic willing to work Kylo into a busy schedule.

Nurse comment validation for all you've done for her!

 

[Alembic772]

I am heartbroken... Kylo passed away a few minutes ago. She was still at the vet, as they were waiting to get a large enough stool sample. The doctor said she looked fine, and then she rolled over on her side and then she was gone.

We are trying to decide about the necropsy, cremation, and all these other details. Thank you for everyone who took part of this journey with us. It’s sad it had to end like this.


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[noodles123]

Oh no! I am so so so so so sorry! You did everything you could in terms of vets etc....Kylo was loved and loved you too. I hope you find peace. It is awful to lose a family member....expletives probably describe it best. I wish I could do more and I am SO sorry that you are going through this hell...
Although I know it is a personal decision, I would get the necroscopy..I know it isn't that simple, but... The smelly poop is often indicative of infection or some sort of stagnation. However, there was a lot going on, and I know we all thought it was due to a fall (given the circumstance)l, but if it wasn't that is important to know.

 

[Alembic772]

I got to see her. I hope she didn’t have any pain as she was so playful this morning and even rode nestled up on a towel in my lap as we went to vet today. She was preening herself and when I put her in the tub she was in she chirped and kept trying to hop out.

We are doing the necropsy. Won’t know until later tonight. Doctor was great and came in and talked to me. He even said her feet were vastly improved today from when he last saw her.

We will see what he says. It’s amazing how 62 little grams can weigh so heavily on your heart.


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[saxguy64]

Noooooo! I've been watching Kylo's journey, and was excited with each bit of improvement. I'm so sorry to see it end up like this. It's heart breaking. We all know you've done everything you could for her. My sincerest condolences.

I know it's difficult to make the decision right now, but I would definitely consider the necropsy. Not only for some explanation, but also because you have other birds. Could give you information that might save others in your flock if it was something contagious. Admittedly, they aren't always conclusive, but certainly worth the try.

Fly free little Kylo. Your spirit captured the hearts of so many here. You will be missed.

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[noodles123]

I got to see her. I hope she didn’t have any pain as she was so playful this morning and even rode nestled up on a towel in my lap as we went to vet today. She was preening herself and when I put her in the tub she was in she chirped and kept trying to hop out.

We are doing the necropsy. Won’t know until later tonight. Doctor was great and came in and talked to me. He even said her feet were vastly improved today from when he last saw her.

We will see what he says. It’s amazing how 62 little grams can weigh so heavily on your heart.


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Birds are so tricky....I hate it..I wish things had ended differently, but no matter what the results, know that you HAD to do what you did...You couldn't have let an infection go without risking her life, so you HAD to take her to the vet...same with all of the other stuff..I have a feeling that there are layers to this (even if the end result seems straight forward...), but I do not want you to blame yourself for doing EXACTLY what you needed to do..Again, the vet was the only option due to the poop and her current state...so you made the right choice.

 

[Alembic772]

I got to see her. I hope she didn’t have any pain as she was so playful this morning and even rode nestled up on a towel in my lap as we went to vet today. She was preening herself and when I put her in the tub she was in she chirped and kept trying to hop out.

We are doing the necropsy. Won’t know until later tonight. Doctor was great and came in and talked to me. He even said her feet were vastly improved today from when he last saw her.

We will see what he says. It’s amazing how 62 little grams can weigh so heavily on your heart.


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Birds are so tricky....I hate it..I wish things had ended differently, but no matter what the results, know that you HAD to do what you did...You couldn't have let an infection go without risking her life, so you HAD to take her to the vet...same with all of the other stuff..I have a feeling that there are layers to this (even if the end result seems straight forward...), but I do not want you to blame yourself for doing EXACTLY what you needed to do..Again, the vet was the only option due to the poop and her current state...so you made the right choice.

Oh, we blamed ourselves for letting her hurt herself. I am upset because I took her today, as my house doesn’t have kids, so I was taking her during the day to be calmer environment and away from the other conures calling to her. Just my eclectus , who prefers to be away from the little birds and is not loud at all. Did I do the wrong thing letting her sit in my lap? Should we have left her in the one place? Should we have made her more isolated? Did we overdose her that first day and do irreversible damage? There are a million things that we could blame ourselves for. But you all saw it. We were doing all we could. Hell, she was so much improved. Even the doc said her feet were light years ahead of where she was just a few days ago. She seemed so happy compared to when it first happened. So we can blame ourselves but the time for that will pass and we will know we did everything we could.

I dunno if you can tell, but I’m not a small guy. I’m 230+ pounds. And this little, beautiful, sweet bird has crushed me. We still have her sister to help remind us of her and the joy she had while she was with us. She was loved and will continue to be loved in our memories. We have lots of pictures and videos of her as she grew, and we will make sure to keep her in our memories.

Kylo and Nemo as babies. We all will miss her.


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[noodles123]

I got to see her. I hope she didn’t have any pain as she was so playful this morning and even rode nestled up on a towel in my lap as we went to vet today. She was preening herself and when I put her in the tub she was in she chirped and kept trying to hop out.

We are doing the necropsy. Won’t know until later tonight. Doctor was great and came in and talked to me. He even said her feet were vastly improved today from when he last saw her.

We will see what he says. It’s amazing how 62 little grams can weigh so heavily on your heart.


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Birds are so tricky....I hate it..I wish things had ended differently, but no matter what the results, know that you HAD to do what you did...You couldn't have let an infection go without risking her life, so you HAD to take her to the vet...same with all of the other stuff..I have a feeling that there are layers to this (even if the end result seems straight forward...), but I do not want you to blame yourself for doing EXACTLY what you needed to do..Again, the vet was the only option due to the poop and her current state...so you made the right choice.

Oh, we blamed ourselves for letting her hurt herself. I am upset because I took her today, as my house doesn’t have kids, so I was taking her during the day to be calmer environment and away from the other conures calling to her. Just my eclectus , who prefers to be away from the little birds and is not loud at all. Did I do the wrong thing letting her sit in my lap? Should we have left her in the one place? Should we have made her more isolated? Did we overdose her that first day and do irreversible damage? There are a million things that we could blame ourselves for. But you all saw it. We were doing all we could. Hell, she was so much improved. Even the doc said her feet were light years ahead of where she was just a few days ago. She seemed so happy compared to when it first happened. So we can blame ourselves but the time for that will pass and we will know we did everything we could.

I dunno if you can tell, but I’m not a small guy. I’m 230+ pounds. And this little, beautiful, sweet bird has crushed me. We still have her sister to help remind us of her and the joy she had while she was with us. She was loved and will continue to be loved in our memories. We have lots of pictures and videos of her as she grew, and we will make sure to keep her in our memories.

Kylo and Nemo as babies. We all will miss her.


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Beautiful babies....

I can only imagine the guilt you feel but it is not real (I mean, it is real- but it is not merited,even though it is only natural to feel that when anyone passes). You HAD to take her in (even if it stressed her out etc--- her body couldn't have handled infection on top of that and if you hadn't taken her, it could have been even worse). You put her on your lap because it was likely better than the vet prying her out of the cage with unfamiliar hands...YOUR BIRD TRUSTED YOU and I am sure she was comfortable there in an unfamiliar space (my bird sits on my lap at the vet too and it calms her down some)---you were part of her flock and you HAD to do all that you did. I know it's easy to say "what if" or something...but if you had done nothing, this most certainly would have ended either way...you know? I guess if it is any solace, you tried, and your bird was honestly more comfortable than many in similar situations where people just kind of give up...


You so clearly loved her and she SO clearly trusted you---even if it doesn't feel that way. A scared bird (even with nerve issues) doesn't act the way she did...so....I just wish I could make you see how you did the right thing, even if in hind-sight, you feel like you want to second-guess yourself.

 

[LaManuka]

Oh Alembic I'm so sorry for your loss! This certainly is news no-one was expecting and to have lost her when she seemed to be doing so well is truly gut-wrenching. You certainly did everything you could for Kylo but my heart breaks for you that this sweet, happy little baby was snatched away from you like this. Kylo has left her magical feather dust on the hearts of so many.

Godspeed to the Rainbow Bridge you darling little girlie, until we all meet again.

 

[Alembic772]

The necropsy is done. I have to wait for my fiancé to come back home to tell you the details. Right now letting the other conures climb all over me. Nemo is chewing my ear. Something about ear lobes.


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[Alembic772]

Dr. Brooks called my fiancé this evening after the office closed. He stayed later to finish the necropsy as he himself wanted answers to what happened. He remarked on the phone that her feet and legs were amazingly improved from how she was, and he was looking forward to talking to us about her progress. He said she was fine and then suddenly not fine. He was waiting for her to poop so they could take a bigger sample. Unfortunately that never happened. He said they looked at her and she was on her side. He went to check her, and she was gone. There was a small amount of very dark, almost black, feces near her.

He said she looked good other than have a little bit of distention in her abdomen. She was hydrated, had good feather condition, and over all looked like she was improved. The necropsy showed no broken bones or visible damage to her back or bones. He said internally she looked very good except for one air sac had thickened and was not see through. When he touched her GI tract postmortem, he said at least 6cc of feces shot out of her. One of the techs had to leave the room from the smell it gave off. He opened the GI tract and found lots of food intermixed with large pockets of air. He told us he believed that her death was caused by endotoxemia, which may have been a result of an internal injury from her fall from the cage. Basically the good bacteria in her gut lost to the bad bacteria in her gut. She had no worms, parasites, or any other type of visible infection or pests. He said she definitely had been eating but her system was off balance due to the toxemia and she ultimately died when her body shut down due to the toxicity.

She showed no other signs to cause concern. He said internally other than what I mentioned above that she was in good health. He told her that there was nothing we did to cause any of this. He said she looked amazing today and he was so excited to talk to us because her progress, and never expected this. He stayed late because he wanted to know why she just suddenly changed.

We may get more information tomorrow when we pick her up to take her for her aqua cremation. My fiancé and her kids got to say goodbye to her while I was there at the office via a video call. It was hard seeing our little girl there lifeless, knowing just a couple of hours earlier she was happy sitting on my lap.

Doctor Brooks said to keep an eye on the other birds, but he feels they should not be in any threat. He also feels it was not congenital and Nemo should not be a cause of concern for this.

We are sitting here remembering her. Tears in our eyes. She was a good little baby.


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[Talven]

Sorry to hear of your loss.

 

[noodles123]

<3 again, so very sorry... Wish we could do more to help.

I respect you a ton for seeing this through and I just wish you the best..seriously. Please remember that you did an excellent job and that you loved your bird and your bird loved you.