Kevin in Greytown 2.0
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Today passed very uneventfully for RK as hot season is on us and all that can be done in midday heat is mist. Evening has come with a treat of popcorn.
On a serious-er note as I’m researching aviaries to build for Kevin, any ideas out there? We will make one here and it needs to be simple. I plan on having shelter, plants, food and places for him to scratch around safely (think snake proof this is real here we have mambas and cobras).
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On a serious-er note as I’m researching aviaries to build for Kevin, any ideas out there? We will make one here and it needs to be simple. I plan on having shelter, plants, food and places for him to scratch around safely (think snake proof this is real here we have mambas and cobras).
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So, small and quicker.
- How big:
- Inside the compound (secure area)?
- Surface of area when it will be placed (grass, soil, crushed rock, concrete)
Can become expensive very quickly.
So, small and quicker.
- How big:
- Inside the compound (secure area)?
- Surface of area when it will be placed (grass, soil, crushed rock, concrete)
Can become expensive very quickly.
I can't wait to follow this!
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I’m not thinking of HUUUGE but I am thinking of maybe 12 feet by 10 feet, something along those lines. I think the surface will be crushed rock with underlying bricks to secure bottom so snakes can’t easily get in. I may put in a raised planter with grass.
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Points to consider:
- Check with local government as this size enclosure may have 'building code' requirements. Better to check prior to beginning...
- What is the current type of ground: soil, grass, crushed stone, concrete (prior to construction)?
- I'm assuming that this will be within the secured area of your compound, correct?
- Does the area have existing electrical lighting? Note: This line item can become a nightmare if it needs to be upgraded after everything is completed. Why Lighting: No one will every forget to bring in RK, nope, will never happen! Or, no one or nothing, will ever sneak in after hours, nope, will never happen! Or, the appeal of cleaning the area in the coolness of the evening will never become a 'great idea.'
- Does the area have electrical outlets, at least two?
- Does the area have at least one or better, two water sources? Clean-up is much easier with Fresh Water from a hose!
- Drainage available? This item can quickly become an issue if the area is sloped toward the home!
More Later...
- Check with local government as this size enclosure may have 'building code' requirements. Better to check prior to beginning...
- What is the current type of ground: soil, grass, crushed stone, concrete (prior to construction)?
- I'm assuming that this will be within the secured area of your compound, correct?
- Does the area have existing electrical lighting? Note: This line item can become a nightmare if it needs to be upgraded after everything is completed. Why Lighting: No one will every forget to bring in RK, nope, will never happen! Or, no one or nothing, will ever sneak in after hours, nope, will never happen! Or, the appeal of cleaning the area in the coolness of the evening will never become a 'great idea.'
- Does the area have electrical outlets, at least two?
- Does the area have at least one or better, two water sources? Clean-up is much easier with Fresh Water from a hose!
- Drainage available? This item can quickly become an issue if the area is sloped toward the home!
More Later...
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Thank you so much! Making notes. Some things we don’t deal with here are building codes so that is not an issue. Regarding power, i will likely use some simple solar panels to power lights i may need (the type I’m thinking of is cheap here in these parts, we have such unreliable power that it isn’t unusual to see the odd solar panel in the deepest village). The biggest concern at the moment is to design something that will proved adequate shade/shelter in the heat.
Regarding drainage that will be priority and will make sure to have access to water. I think we need to build on a slight slope to facilitate drainage. Water does get cut here but we have barrels on hand for those days.
The ground is gravel but I will modify to my liking. I plan to enjoy the aviary as much as Kevin!
Thoughts about a double door entry?
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Regarding drainage that will be priority and will make sure to have access to water. I think we need to build on a slight slope to facilitate drainage. Water does get cut here but we have barrels on hand for those days.
The ground is gravel but I will modify to my liking. I plan to enjoy the aviary as much as Kevin!
Thoughts about a double door entry?
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I for one am more worried about snake proofing. We don't have the really nasty ones like you do but a snake is a snake.
Whenever I think I have something snake proofed I get proved wrong.......by a snake!
Whenever I think I have something snake proofed I get proved wrong.......by a snake!
Please understand that I tend to look at things from the bottom-up. This based on assure things that are at or below ground are fully in place as it is very expensive, time consuming and frustrating to have to address it later.
Snakes are a true pain, and as noted, are difficult to keep out. The Swimming Pool test is what I like to use to confirm if what I am doing will 'both' keeping water in and just as important keeping water out. If you can assure that water is not coming in or going out, it will also keep snakes out.
Whether electrical lighting power is provided by Solar, local Utility or both is less important than assure that you have lighting available. The system should have an easily assessable switch(s) to turn them on and off quickly if needed. The system requires that wiring is place around the area and /or under the ground. Here the goal should be to place the wiring so it will not interfere with other ground work. Also, I am going to guess that if the wiring is not place in a protected area it can be stolen? It is also likely, that the lighting will help in building during the evening /night.
More later regarding drainage.
Sorry for the step by step, but after having a sizable Post lost, I'm going to provide comment in small bites...
Snakes are a true pain, and as noted, are difficult to keep out. The Swimming Pool test is what I like to use to confirm if what I am doing will 'both' keeping water in and just as important keeping water out. If you can assure that water is not coming in or going out, it will also keep snakes out.
Whether electrical lighting power is provided by Solar, local Utility or both is less important than assure that you have lighting available. The system should have an easily assessable switch(s) to turn them on and off quickly if needed. The system requires that wiring is place around the area and /or under the ground. Here the goal should be to place the wiring so it will not interfere with other ground work. Also, I am going to guess that if the wiring is not place in a protected area it can be stolen? It is also likely, that the lighting will help in building during the evening /night.
More later regarding drainage.
Sorry for the step by step, but after having a sizable Post lost, I'm going to provide comment in small bites...
Consider a concrete floor as you will quickly find that the combination of foods, poo, etc., will fill the space between the crushed rock, and that will quickly turn into a toxic mess that will be difficult to first, clean and second, replace...
Drainage is very important as the water will need to collect in one or a couple of places that can be screened to separate the food and other bits that will need to be trashed and the water and poo that will need to be moved away from the area.
Think back to your rainy season and what happens in that area during heavy rains. Does it pond and slowly seep into the ground, or does it flow away and out of the compound. This will determine what needs to be done to assure that this area doesn't flood into your home!
Enough for now... More tomorrow.
Drainage is very important as the water will need to collect in one or a couple of places that can be screened to separate the food and other bits that will need to be trashed and the water and poo that will need to be moved away from the area.
Think back to your rainy season and what happens in that area during heavy rains. Does it pond and slowly seep into the ground, or does it flow away and out of the compound. This will determine what needs to be done to assure that this area doesn't flood into your home!
Enough for now... More tomorrow.
That's great!
Busy with Snow here... will add more later.
Busy with Snow here... will add more later.
A concrete pad provides many advantages other than simplifying cleaning.
Okay, if memory serves, you're considering a 10' x 12" enclosed area. Commonly, individuals would simply pour a slab that size, but they very quickly find that a slightly wider x longer slab easies cleaning and maintenance. My recommendation would be to consider an 11' x 13' or a 12' x 14'. The wider slab minimizes access points and deters 'diggers.' It also deters individuals from using the edge of the slab to leverage the side covering from the vertical supports.
At this point, it is well worth laying out the likely locations of the slab. Use simple wood stakes and string. Take a few days to work around it, kind of like, laying out a kitchen island location. You may find that moving it a bit one way or another easies access to other areas, etc... Also, this is the time to determine where the Sun will pass over head and what shading will be needed. It will also allow you to see areas that placing light fixtures will be needed.
Once the concrete is set, it becomes expensive to relocate, so this is the time to play with its location. And, of course receive the blessings of HRH.
Okay, if memory serves, you're considering a 10' x 12" enclosed area. Commonly, individuals would simply pour a slab that size, but they very quickly find that a slightly wider x longer slab easies cleaning and maintenance. My recommendation would be to consider an 11' x 13' or a 12' x 14'. The wider slab minimizes access points and deters 'diggers.' It also deters individuals from using the edge of the slab to leverage the side covering from the vertical supports.
At this point, it is well worth laying out the likely locations of the slab. Use simple wood stakes and string. Take a few days to work around it, kind of like, laying out a kitchen island location. You may find that moving it a bit one way or another easies access to other areas, etc... Also, this is the time to determine where the Sun will pass over head and what shading will be needed. It will also allow you to see areas that placing light fixtures will be needed.
Once the concrete is set, it becomes expensive to relocate, so this is the time to play with its location. And, of course receive the blessings of HRH.
Thank's for the reminder.
Yes, and there are a couple of options to consider. The safest would be a double entrance, which would start with the outside of the enclosure with a double locking door (near top and near bottom). This would open to a transitional area that allows the door to close behind oneself prior to opening the inner door. This option, either takes away inner space or makes the enclosure that much larger.
A double door with no transition area. The options can be a bit of a pain, as the outer door is closing behind you as you are opening the inner door. Commonly, there is a deep doorway installed that allows the doors to be separated. Commonly this separation is 12" which nearly traps you between the doors, but reduces a fly away. I have seen one with a 24" separation, but it continued to suffer structural problems - insufficient vertical supports.
We will talk about various structures and what are the trade-offs.
Thanks for the reminder!
At this point you are likely nearing a final location and size of the concrete pad and have likely gotten some feel for the drainage of the water.
So, we are ready to start talking about the physical Structure.
There are many options and strength factors to consider, much of it dependent on what 'covering' will be used and what weight loads need to be considered, height of the side wall, and roof style used. In the Great White North we have to take into consideration 'Snow Load' and 'Wing Strength' common in the building area.
What you need to consider is the side wall heights, style of roof, and just what Human load and /or larger animal(s) load is likely.
So, if you can provide some idea of what may need or could be found on the roof will be helpful: Number of Humans, Size of largest animal(s), etc...
Considerations for the Rainy Season. I have no idea of what you experience. I know of the issues that the USA Southern and Eastern States experience. So, if you can provide an idea of what amount of rain occurs (if much at all) it will be helpful.
Thanks you in advance...
So, we are ready to start talking about the physical Structure.
There are many options and strength factors to consider, much of it dependent on what 'covering' will be used and what weight loads need to be considered, height of the side wall, and roof style used. In the Great White North we have to take into consideration 'Snow Load' and 'Wing Strength' common in the building area.
What you need to consider is the side wall heights, style of roof, and just what Human load and /or larger animal(s) load is likely.
So, if you can provide some idea of what may need or could be found on the roof will be helpful: Number of Humans, Size of largest animal(s), etc...
Considerations for the Rainy Season. I have no idea of what you experience. I know of the issues that the USA Southern and Eastern States experience. So, if you can provide an idea of what amount of rain occurs (if much at all) it will be helpful.
Thanks you in advance...
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Does he at least read the newspaper before destroying it? Maybe he did not like the news that was reported this day.
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