is liftoff possible?

[KevH]

KevH

Wing clipping is totally wrong on all reasons why people condone clipping is beyond me if you don't want your bird to fly get a dog or other pet birds are meant to fly period not stuck in or on a cage if you want to take your bird outside train it with a aviator harness

I guess you have trouble reading.
HE DOES NOT FLY RIGHT NOW, has never flown in 32 years.
If he was a fully flying bird I would agree with you it would be on the level with de-clawing a cat.
I have 5 cockatiels, some as log as 16 years. have never even considered clipping there wings. I love watching them soar around the house.
please read the entire thread before making stupid comments.
you get to be the first person to be put on my ignore list for this forum..klunk.
I'm sorry but how would you know for sure a birds happy stuck on a cage and can't fly as us Brits over here have brains where's you yanks just seem brainless clipping is wrong
texsize

texsize, please allow me.

Kev: Wing clipping is a HIGHY controversial subject! And those who DO clip their birds wings should NEVER be condemned or talked down to in the manner you did. Just FYI, for years and years (while you were still a thought in your dad's pants) people kept birds, and they kept them CLIPPED so they couldn't fly away. Guess what? Many of those birds lived VERY long, VERY happy lives. MUCH longer than they ever would have lived in the great outdoors - aka wilderness. Why? Because captive bird 'usually' have a longer live expectancy than their wild counterparts.

So, having said that, please don't be so fast in ANY negativity when it comes to folks contemplating on clipping their birds wings.

We've ALL come a long way. And our learning progress certainly NEVER ends. And we ALL should ALWAYS have an open mind - to ALL things!

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Ok...we can carry on now. Sorry texsize :heart: Didn't mean to derail a thing here. Just a personal pet-peeve when fingers are pointed unnecessarily.

I'm sorry but how would you know if them birds were really happy there meant to fly it's not hard to train your parrot for harness instead of chopping off its wing

 

[JerseyWendy]

Tone it down a notch, Kev.

Like I said, it's a 'hot' topic. No need to ever be disrespectful and/or rude about it.

There were no harnesses back in the day. In fact, many parrots were kept chained (even in Europe) AND clipped. How do I know? I've got a bunch of ancient books, that's how.

So, one last time: When clipping is suggested here, or in any other thread, there is NEVER a need to become hostile. :21:

 

[KevH]

I'm not trying to be hostile I'm not that type of person or disrespectful I'm just expressing my opinion it's all about training with parrots wether aggressive or wild parrots clipping is an easy option but so cruel I've just seen my grey he pulled his flight feathers out on one wing and he went from being fully flighted to being disabled and I seen how unhappy he was he's now growing them back and trying to fly he's much happier it's a hot topic on here for the wrong reason people should be advising against clipping not other way round

 

[Anansi]

Kev, people do advise against clipping, here. I often do, myself. But you didn't do that. Or, at least, you didn't stop there. You proceeded to insult people who would choose to clip. And that's the problem.

As mods, one of our duties is to protect the members of our forum from insults and disrespectful behavior. You can make a point for keeping one's bird flighted, with my blessing, all day long. But once you start making it personal, you cross a line.

The same holds true the other way around, btw. If anyone was insulted for keeping their bird flighted (which has happened), we wouldn't let that pass, either.

Point is, we're not all going to agree on all topics. But, agree or disagree, most of us are here because we love our birds. So why not extend to others the same courtesy and respect you would expect in return?

You are passionately against clipping. Nothing wrong with that. Just try to make your point in a more respectful manner. That's not asking too much, is it?

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[texsize]

I don't think KevH knows what the ignore list is or does.

This message is hidden because KevH is on your ignore list

have a nice day.
texsize

 

[Anansi]

I don't think KevH knows what the ignore list is or does.

This message is hidden because KevH is on your ignore list

have a nice day.
texsize

I know his previous post upset you, Texsize, but let's keep it civil on both sides and move on from this minor quarrel.

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[RavensGryf]

Flight suit is good and they make sure very cute ones lol BUT if I am not mistake you will still need the harness .

Nah, it's an either or deal. Some prefer to use flight suits, and some prefer harnesses.

The flight suits come with a velcro strip on a leash that you just velcro into the suit. The company claims that this is secure, but it still makes me nervous thinking about that with a bird that is anything but tiny. I was going to get one for Raven, but the thought of him taking off fast and 'ripping' the velcro leash away from the suit is not a pleasant thought. It's even supposed to work for the largest heaviest birds, but I don't know . How about a harness to be secure, and a flight suit so your clothes stay unsoiled . But then the bird might have too many contraptions on it.

 

[Christinenc2000]

Flight suit is good and they make sure very cute ones lol BUT if I am not mistake you will still need the harness .

Nah, it's an either or deal. Some prefer to use flight suits, and some prefer harnesses.

The flight suits come with a velcro strip on a leash that you just velcro into the suit. The company claims that this is secure, but it still makes me nervous thinking about that with a bird that is anything but tiny. I was going to get one for Raven, but the thought of him taking off fast and 'ripping' the velcro leash away from the suit is not a pleasant thought. It's even supposed to work for the largest heaviest birds, but I don't know . How about a harness to be secure, and a flight suit so your clothes stay unsoiled . But then the bird might have too many contraptions on it.

That is what I have been reading. The Flight Suits are just not secure . One guy posted the Flight Suit made it easier to spot them when they break free

 

[RavensGryf]

Nah, it's an either or deal. Some prefer to use flight suits, and some prefer harnesses.

The flight suits come with a velcro strip on a leash that you just velcro into the suit. The company claims that this is secure, but it still makes me nervous thinking about that with a bird that is anything but tiny. I was going to get one for Raven, but the thought of him taking off fast and 'ripping' the velcro leash away from the suit is not a pleasant thought. It's even supposed to work for the largest heaviest birds, but I don't know . How about a harness to be secure, and a flight suit so your clothes stay unsoiled . But then the bird might have too many contraptions on it.

That is what I have been reading. The Flight Suits are just not secure . One guy posted the Flight Suit made it easier to spot them when they break free

Oh no, see that's what I'm thinking. You know if it's happened to one person before, chances are he's not the only one! That's my hesitation in getting one. I wish the Aviator came with a poop suit.

 

[KevH]

Anansi I accept maybe I could of worded it better and I apologise if I offended anyone and textsize as I've already said I wasn't aiming anything at you coz your bird can't fly

 

[Brittany741]

Definitely be very careful if you decide to start flight training. Undetected health problems are a concern at any age. If he exhibits any panting behavior, stop, and get him in a quiet and calm place.

I recommend looking into a small carry cage or Pak-O-Bird. This would allow him to enjoy the outdoors without risk of flying off and becoming prey to a large predator or other animal. It's amazing to me how easily a non-flighted, clipped bird can still manage to fly far and high!

Again, my main concern is his health. Harnesses are a good option. I own a ton of flight suits from Avain Fashions and would never trust them to keep a bird safe on the Velcro leash. Maybe a parrotlet? I like what I've seen of the Aviator because of the buckles.

Losing a bird is a heart wrenching experience I wouldn't wish on anyone. We each have to decide what is right for our birds and lifestyle. Even an inexpensive carry cage would give him that enjoyable outdoor time and wouldn't be risking escape or flying off, or potential health issues. Sun time has so many benefits for our fids.

Clipping is one option to consider. I've had flighted birds and clipped birds and because our house has so many windows, clipping has lessened the flying injuries for those of mine who can fly. It's not for everyone or every bird, but if this is a route you decide to try, do a very gentle clip with one feather on each side until you get the desired result. I've seen some nasty clips and the risk of injury is even greater when they drop like a rock.

 

[wrench13]

Here is an amazing new product , guaranteed to not let your parrot fly away. Just fasten it around his neck with light string.

 

[Anansi]

Here is an amazing new product , guaranteed to not let your parrot fly away. Just fasten it around his neck with light string.

Hahahahahaha! High comedy!

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[Christinenc2000]

Here is an amazing new product , guaranteed to not let your parrot fly away. Just fasten it around his neck with light string.

Hahahahahaha! High comedy!

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[Taw5106]

high winds are something I will have to be carful about in my area.
thanks for the warning. I went to McKinney for work and the wind never stopped.
not sure where you are in Texas but I know it can get plenty windy there to.
texsize

I'm south of Houston, TX and the last few weeks like your area, we've had some extreme spring storms rolling through. So bad that I set up my fids' travel cages close to their main cages so that if we have an emergency I can move them to their travel cages and get out in minutes. Yesterday's storms left a tree on my in laws' house. All are fine, tree removed, but now they are waiting for the adjuster to look at the damage. Storms have been bad so no fix can leave without a harness or in their travel cage, winds horrible. Stay safe.


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[wrench13]

What can I say, I have a heavy sense of humor.

 

[JerseyWendy]

What can I say, I have a heavy sense of humor.

I LOVE your sense of humor, Al! Way to make a funny during a time it was REALLY needed. AWESOME!!!

(Found such an anchor on eBay, and will now finish 'checking out'. I'll report back which bird gets the honors first..... :09

 

[Allee]

Thanks for the well placed humor, Al and Salty!

Wendy, if you find Harry's size please share the link. I wonder if we can find a group discount.

 

[texsize]

When looking over the flight suit I too thought the use of Velcro to attach the "leash" was not real secure.
I am hoping that when I get it some other method of attaching it will come to mind.
At my place of work I have seen another sort of Velcro that is white not black and it sticks together with more force.
perhaps my wife could sew on a snap or something.

I have looked at the pack 0 bird and it's a nice idea for taking my fids outside when I am working in the yard or on the car but to me it takes to much of the fun out of going out and about to run errands.
I will be taking my Bingo to the vet on Monday and I will have him check out his heart and lungs, make sure that he is fit to be airborne. But I am not trying to "teach" him to fly. I think that would be like trying to "teach" my pet fish how to swim.
I don't have feathers and know less about flying then he does.

anyway you have all answered my real question ie. can Bingo fly even though he never has so far.
the answer is a resounding YES.
so no more outings until I can be sure he wont get away from me.
Not only for his safety but the safety for other people around me.
He does not like Hats and he might try to take a chomp on someone getting to close.
thank you all for the advice.
texsize

 

[Anansi]

Hahaha! When people talk of teaching a bird to fly, it's actually a reference to working on both their confidence and skill level. Funny enough, Christine (Christinenc) made a similar point not too long ago regarding that phrase. Seeing as how this is at least the second time it has come up since then, I may have to think up a new phrase for it. "Building flight skills", perhaps?

Anyhow, are you looking to build on his flight skills?

As for the flight suits, I never knew that they were attached to the flight lines by velcro! That's just crazy! Is that the case for all flight suits?