IRN noise level?

[Duchessbird]

Hi all,

I'm an eclectus owner currently considering adopting another bird. I'm looking into the IRN, among other species, but I live in an apartment so noise level is a consideration. How noisy are IRNs? Does the male tend to be noisier than the female? How do they compare with other species noise-wise (e.g. quakers, conures, African greys, amazons)? Has anyone ever lived in an apartment with an IRN without getting evicted?

Thanks for your input,
Bailey

 

[Aspie_Aviphile]

I've lived in an apartment for about five months, haven't had any complaints. When he screams it's ear-piercing in the flat and affects your hearing for a second if he does it on your shoulder, but my neighbours say they only hear him talking, so I guess for some reason the screams don't carry through the walls as much, plus he talks more than he screams.

It's nowhere near the volume of a large macaw or cockatoo.

 

[SilverSage]

Hi all,



I'm an eclectus owner currently considering adopting another bird. I'm looking into the IRN, among other species, but I live in an apartment so noise level is a consideration. How noisy are IRNs? Does the male tend to be noisier than the female? How do they compare with other species noise-wise (e.g. quakers, conures, African greys, amazons)? Has anyone ever lived in an apartment with an IRN without getting evicted?



Thanks for your input,

Bailey

Hi!
I’ve lived in an apartment with *several* irns lol, and the only noise complaint I got was when a Sun and Jenday came over for a few hours [emoji23]

But that says, IRNs are completely individual. None of mine are screamers but they really can be especially if you don’t get them the right vet care, diet, enrichment and training.

And yes, the call can be ear piercing. The sound is completely different than conures etc. please take some time to listen to them calling on YouTube, not for volume but for tone.


Can I ask what’s drawing you to IRNs? Obviously I love them, they are my favorite, I raise them and have a large flock of them, but they are extremely unique and I turn away about 60% of the people who come to me for a baby because what they really should be getting is a Conure or cockatiel.


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[Duchessbird]

Hi all,



I'm an eclectus owner currently considering adopting another bird. I'm looking into the IRN, among other species, but I live in an apartment so noise level is a consideration. How noisy are IRNs? Does the male tend to be noisier than the female? How do they compare with other species noise-wise (e.g. quakers, conures, African greys, amazons)? Has anyone ever lived in an apartment with an IRN without getting evicted?



Thanks for your input,

Bailey

Hi!
I’ve lived in an apartment with *several* irns lol, and the only noise complaint I got was when a Sun and Jenday came over for a few hours [emoji23]

But that says, IRNs are completely individual. None of mine are screamers but they really can be especially if you don’t get them the right vet care, diet, enrichment and training.

And yes, the call can be ear piercing. The sound is completely different than conures etc. please take some time to listen to them calling on YouTube, not for volume but for tone.


Can I ask what’s drawing you to IRNs? Obviously I love them, they are my favorite, I raise them and have a large flock of them, but they are extremely unique and I turn away about 60% of the people who come to me for a baby because what they really should be getting is a Conure or cockatiel.


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Hi SilverSage,

Thanks for your helpful thoughts. I bred and handfed birds for years before I went to university, then had to get out of them while I was away doing that, and am just now in a position where I can have birds again. But with my job I'm not going to have the time or energy to be breeding anymore, just keeping pets. I've been thinking about an IRN for several years because in my opinion they're one of the most aesthetically beautiful birds out there... really almost otherworldly. Plus, for the first time in my life I have only one bird, my ekkie Duchess, and even though she's probably okay with being an only bird it just feels weird not having any creatures of her own kind to keep her company. The thing that intimidates me about the IRN is the fact that I've heard they need a lot of attention to stay tame, and that they're so smart and need a lot of mental stimulation. What's your take on that?

I see you have quite a variety of birds, including a grey. That's another species I'm considering adopting, partially because there are so many that get surrendered because of incompetent owners. I feel like I have enough knowledge of the species to care for one properly, but because of my job I have to move every six months or so and I'm worried that would stress the bird out and induce plucking. Do you think the frequent moving would be too much for a grey?

Thanks again,
Bailey

 

[SilverSage]

Hi all,



I'm an eclectus owner currently considering adopting another bird. I'm looking into the IRN, among other species, but I live in an apartment so noise level is a consideration. How noisy are IRNs? Does the male tend to be noisier than the female? How do they compare with other species noise-wise (e.g. quakers, conures, African greys, amazons)? Has anyone ever lived in an apartment with an IRN without getting evicted?



Thanks for your input,

Bailey

Hi!
I’ve lived in an apartment with *several* irns lol, and the only noise complaint I got was when a Sun and Jenday came over for a few hours [emoji23]

But that says, IRNs are completely individual. None of mine are screamers but they really can be especially if you don’t get them the right vet care, diet, enrichment and training.

And yes, the call can be ear piercing. The sound is completely different than conures etc. please take some time to listen to them calling on YouTube, not for volume but for tone.


Can I ask what’s drawing you to IRNs? Obviously I love them, they are my favorite, I raise them and have a large flock of them, but they are extremely unique and I turn away about 60% of the people who come to me for a baby because what they really should be getting is a Conure or cockatiel.


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Hi SilverSage,

Thanks for your helpful thoughts. I bred and handfed birds for years before I went to university, then had to get out of them while I was away doing that, and am just now in a position where I can have birds again. But with my job I'm not going to have the time or energy to be breeding anymore, just keeping pets. I've been thinking about an IRN for several years because in my opinion they're one of the most aesthetically beautiful birds out there... really almost otherworldly. Plus, for the first time in my life I have only one bird, my ekkie Duchess, and even though she's probably okay with being an only bird it just feels weird not having any creatures of her own kind to keep her company. The thing that intimidates me about the IRN is the fact that I've heard they need a lot of attention to stay tame, and that they're so smart and need a lot of mental stimulation. What's your take on that?

I see you have quite a variety of birds, including a grey. That's another species I'm considering adopting, partially because there are so many that get surrendered because of incompetent owners. I feel like I have enough knowledge of the species to care for one properly, but because of my job I have to move every six months or so and I'm worried that would stress the bird out and induce plucking. Do you think the frequent moving would be too much for a grey?

Thanks again,
Bailey

I tell people Ringnecks need 10x the attention in the first year of life that a Conure needs in order to stay tame. Not 10X what you SHOULD give a Conure, but 10x the minimum to keep the bird tame. Once that first year is up they go back to a normal level.

They do need A LOT of mental stimulation and can be screamers when bored but that can be true of any parrot.

Yes, I also have a grey. Tsali was raised by another forum member here and he is NOT your typical phobic nervous grey, which is good because we also move often thanks to the military.

If you get a grey, I HIGHLY suggest you be careful to lay the foundation for a mentally stable, bold bird by doing the following;

-find a breeder who abundance weans and fully fledges at the VERY LEAST and who understands that means letting the bird become an expert flier, NOT just gets a few flights.

-If your breeder won’t harness train your baby, so it immediately! And take them out and about multiple times a week to keep them used to and eager for new and exciting experiences


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[Duchessbird]

Thanks again for your input. Whatever I end up getting will probably be an older bird that needs work. How difficult is it to re-tame a ringneck that was once tame/handfed but went too long without handling and became untame and difficult to handle? It seems like I see a lot of ringnecks being put up for adoption in this condition.

 

[SilverSage]

DO NOT attempt to tame an adult ringneck. Honestly it’s cruel. Their brains are sooooo different and 99% of them just WILL NOT ever be tame if they aren’t tame as weanlings EVEN if hand raised.

I’m dealing with a situation right now or someone who wanted a baby from me, but I didn’t end up having one for her, so she bought a baby from another breeder who was “hand raised just needs a chance to learn to trust you”. She has had this bird for MONTHS, has done everything right, and made almost no progress and we are talking about a hand raised baby.

If a ringneck won’t step up eagerly for humans as an adult you WILL NOT GET THERE. I know I’m coming off strong here but it absolutely infuriated me when people subject untamable birds to the terror of forced human interaction. These are not conures or Amazons that can be expected to make progress and become tame over time, they just ARE NOT. I get this question all the time because lots of people (not saying this is what you are doing) want to get a cheap ringneck and they think they can tame it because they have tamed other birds in the past.

The reality is, 99% of the time, if you buy a non tame ringneck that is what you will always have. These birds then get passed around from home to home as each family gives up on them, and it’s heartbreaking.


On the other hand, it is extremely difficult to find an adult tame ringneck for adoption. They are just not available. Why? Because if you get to that stage, lay the right foundation, spend the time early on, they are just amazing pets! And they tend to lack a lot of the negative behaviors of other parrots; no one is dumping their tame Ringnecks.

The reason so many are available wild is because most “breeders” don’t specialize in IRNs. They just saw the demand and added a few pair to their breeding stock. The don’t know the unique aspects and don’t bother to learn, don’t lay the right foundation, and don’t educate the new owners, and the bird doesn’t get what he or she needs in order to build a healthy relationship with humans.


Adopting untame Ringnecks is great. The HUMANE way to do this is with a large aviary so you can enjoy them and they can enjoy life without the daily terror of you being close enough to feed and water them, let alone clean the cage!


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[SilverSage]

Untame Ringnecks can still be an absolute joy to live with, they just need the right environment to thrive! A 10’x10’ aviary is enough for 5-10 irns to live happily especially if you have even numbers or more males than females

Below is my girl Nohea; a tame ringneck is my absolute favorite pet in the whole world! she is my hiking/shopping/beach/adventure buddy!

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[Duchessbird]

DO NOT attempt to tame an adult ringneck. Honestly it’s cruel. Their brains are sooooo different and 99% of them just WILL NOT ever be tame if they aren’t tame as weanlings EVEN if hand raised.

I’m dealing with a situation right now or someone who wanted a baby from me, but I didn’t end up having one for her, so she bought a baby from another breeder who was “hand raised just needs a chance to learn to trust you”. She has had this bird for MONTHS, has done everything right, and made almost no progress and we are talking about a hand raised baby.

If a ringneck won’t step up eagerly for humans as an adult you WILL NOT GET THERE. I know I’m coming off strong here but it absolutely infuriated me when people subject untamable birds to the terror of forced human interaction. These are not conures or Amazons that can be expected to make progress and become tame over time, they just ARE NOT. I get this question all the time because lots of people (not saying this is what you are doing) want to get a cheap ringneck and they think they can tame it because they have tamed other birds in the past.

The reality is, 99% of the time, if you buy a non tame ringneck that is what you will always have. These birds then get passed around from home to home as each family gives up on them, and it’s heartbreaking.


On the other hand, it is extremely difficult to find an adult tame ringneck for adoption. They are just not available. Why? Because if you get to that stage, lay the right foundation, spend the time early on, they are just amazing pets! And they tend to lack a lot of the negative behaviors of other parrots; no one is dumping their tame Ringnecks.

The reason so many are available wild is because most “breeders” don’t specialize in IRNs. They just saw the demand and added a few pair to their breeding stock. The don’t know the unique aspects and don’t bother to learn, don’t lay the right foundation, and don’t educate the new owners, and the bird doesn’t get what he or she needs in order to build a healthy relationship with humans.


Adopting untame Ringnecks is great. The HUMANE way to do this is with a large aviary so you can enjoy them and they can enjoy life without the daily terror of you being close enough to feed and water them, let alone clean the cage!


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Yes, I never saw a tame IRN looking for a home! What you said about the prospects of adult taming makes sense. Must be a parakeet thing; I've tried with budgies but never made any progress either. Thanks for your wisdom, I'll keep it all in mind while I'm on my bird search.

 

[SilverSage]

Lol I think it’s an ASIATIC parrot thing. I’ve had plenty of success with budgies and seen a lot of others who have as well, but almost no one can say they’ve tamed an adult ringneck lol


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[wrench13]

My vet agrees with you on the adult non-tame ring neck.

 

[Aspie_Aviphile]

Bo was hatched at the latest some time in the year 2017, according to the pet shop who sold him to his first home within the last five months of that year. He had been weaned for at least months before he came to live with me around 18th February 2018, because the old man (now deceased, hence the limited details) had had him for months and never gave him formula. The old man never let him out the cage, scared of being bitten, and when he arrived he was too scared of everyone in the house to even look at us, he just sat hunched up absolutely still at the back of the cage hiding as much he could behind his toys. He was just as scared of my mum as he was of me even though my mum had been a frequent visitor as she was one of the man's rotating carer . He began flying over or walking over to sit on me within the first four months, I can't remember exactly. In terms of puberty (as a sign of neurological as well as sexual maturation) his ring came through solid black for the first time several months ago.

I hope this helps clarify a bit how young is still young enough.

 

[Pampa]

Sorry I am going to hijack the thread a little. SilverSage there is a 4 year old male IRN being rehomed. It’s well socialized and will step up on me even though I am a stranger. I haven’t moved forward with this bird because of so negative information. I have one Jenday Conure now and he is out and being interacted with at least an hour in the morning and an hour on the evening. Is that enough? I’m actually a bit worried about this bird. It has no toys in its cage. It’s a young girls bird who is becoming a teenager and too busy for the bird. How are they so different from a Conure? How do I know if I’m the right type of person. I’m an excellent bird owner, love target and trick training, but still pretty much a novice.

 

[Aspie_Aviphile]

Report them for animal neglect for having no toys. There must be zero tolerance for that. Do it anonymously if you prefer.

IRNs are too active and curious to be locked up all day except for two hours, unless the cage you have is huge with a regular rotation of interesting toys. Mine was not happy when my mum forced me to cage him most of the day. He paced and screamed and bobbed his head in a begging motion and fought as hard as he could against being caught to go back in after his hour out in the morning. It took me two hours to catch him on a regular basis, making me late for work. Now he's free in my lounge until he chooses to go in, he is quieter and more talkative and voluntarily goes in his cage for a nap in the day as well as at night. His cage is only slightly bigger than the minimum requirements, so if you have a much bigger one or an aviary then I say go for it. He sounds like an IRN who is socialised enough to be different but just as easy overall as your two conure species. The main difference as far as I can tell is that even content, human-loving and well-trained IRNs tend to be more stubborn than most companion species. Not nippier, not noisier, not messier, and not more hormonal, just more stubborn. Every other negative species trait I have read about seems to caused by an IRN not being tame or not enjoying or expecting to enjoy human interaction, and the fact that he willingly steps up for strangers shows that he isn't in either of those categories. Bo is still wary of strangers after I tamed him, he won't step up for a new person. Yet I as a person with only several years of experience with a rehomed budgie before that, have a good relationship with him. If I can manage Bo, I'm sure lots of dedicated novices with the right resources could be fine with an IRN that steps up for strangers. If you don't have the resources, hopefully an animal welfare organisation will find him someone. I would not let this family rehome him to anyone else because they don't provide toys, so who knows where they would send him for money. They should be reported so he's taken away before they give him to some basement breeder or bird flipper.

 

[ctwo]

My male IRN lives with a female cockatiel, both ~5yr old. He screams periodically, but usually for a reason.

To announce when he comes out of the cage.
When he wants something, like if I enter with food and he doesn't get anything, or his favorite seed has run out.
I think when he hears another bird.

He makes other sounds, such as a:

4 tone sequence that is not as loud. I think he does as a warning, as he often does it when I enter the cage and he starts to defend his precious cockatiel.

Rapid knocking like a billiard ball bouncing on a table.

Guttural giggling.

Whimpering like a dog once in a while.

He says uh huh or ah ha (undramatic).

And my favorite is sort of like a rapid chicken clucking sound (just the bok bok bok part) when he is grooming himself, the cockatile, or sometimes when he lets me pet his head.

 

[ctwo]

Below is my girl Nohea; a tame ringneck is my absolute favorite pet in the whole world! she is my hiking/shopping/beach/adventure buddy!

Likewise. My Mango is a thing of beauty and such a joy, I want to take him everywhere. Using a harness is really appealing to me, to be able to show him new things in life...

I love that look...

 

[ring]

DO NOT attempt to tame an adult ringneck. Honestly it’s cruel. Their brains are sooooo different and 99% of them just WILL NOT ever be tame if they aren’t tame as weanlings EVEN if hand raised.

I’m dealing with a situation right now or someone who wanted a baby from me, but I didn’t end up having one for her, so she bought a baby from another breeder who was “hand raised just needs a chance to learn to trust you”. She has had this bird for MONTHS, has done everything right, and made almost no progress and we are talking about a hand raised baby.

If a ringneck won’t step up eagerly for humans as an adult you WILL NOT GET THERE. I know I’m coming off strong here but it absolutely infuriated me when people subject untamable birds to the terror of forced human interaction. These are not conures or Amazons that can be expected to make progress and become tame over time, they just ARE NOT. I get this question all the time because lots of people (not saying this is what you are doing) want to get a cheap ringneck and they think they can tame it because they have tamed other birds in the past.

The reality is, 99% of the time, if you buy a non tame ringneck that is what you will always have. These birds then get passed around from home to home as each family gives up on them, and it’s heartbreaking.


On the other hand, it is extremely difficult to find an adult tame ringneck for adoption. They are just not available. Why? Because if you get to that stage, lay the right foundation, spend the time early on, they are just amazing pets! And they tend to lack a lot of the negative behaviors of other parrots; no one is dumping their tame Ringnecks.

The reason so many are available wild is because most “breeders” don’t specialize in IRNs. They just saw the demand and added a few pair to their breeding stock. The don’t know the unique aspects and don’t bother to learn, don’t lay the right foundation, and don’t educate the new owners, and the bird doesn’t get what he or she needs in order to build a healthy relationship with humans for how to measure ring size.


Adopting untame Ringnecks is great. The HUMANE way to do this is with a large aviary so you can enjoy them and they can enjoy life without the daily terror of you being close enough to feed and water them, let alone clean the cage!

Exactly i was searching this information. Thanks

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