I am disgusted with the human race

[mrgoogls]

declawing cats is totally different. they dont use theirt claws unless they are outdoor cats. indoor cats dont use their claws really. and they only remove the front ones so they can still sort climb. parrot NEED their beak. totally crual.... dumb owner

 

[Blue]

declawing cats is totally different. they dont use theirt claws unless they are outdoor cats. indoor cats dont use their claws really. and they only remove the front ones so they can still sort climb. parrot NEED their beak. totally crual.... dumb owner

They dont just removed the claw... they chop the toe off at the first joint... just to save the furniture, I find that kinda cruel. And I know the shelter I volunteered rarely took declawed cats because they tend to become biters and nasty

 

[Thingamagigs]

They dont just removed the claw... they chop the toe off at the first joint... just to save the furniture, I find that kinda cruel. And I know the shelter I volunteered rarely took declawed cats because they tend to become biters and nasty

No they don't.

They remove the third phalanx which is the last phalanx on a cat and is attached to the nail to allow them to be retractable. If they removed the first joint the cat would be left with no feet.

Along with debarking dogs... declawing cats can be life saving for the animal involved if it is a problem animal that no one would take on due to behavioural issues.

Here in Australia, the council can confiscate and euthanise a dog which is a nuisance barker. Such a dog could live a life passed around from person to person at best... and at worst be euthanised for its love of barking. Debarking such a dog will save its life and give it a better chance at enjoying a happy life.
A dog does not need to create sound to enjoy the act of barking, I am unsure how declawing affects cats behaviourally though... I imagine it might create a frustrated cat if it is aware it is unable to scratch, however if like a dog they continue the scratching behaviour without causing the damage, then they should not develop any negative behaviour based on not having nails (Im not even sure if its legal here, it probably isn't, we arent allowed to dock tails or crop ears either).

But its definitely not comparable to removing a birds entire beak... it would be akin to removing all the teeth and perhaps the jaw from a dog or cat for behavioural reasons.

 

[Thingamagigs]

Having said that, I have owned cats and I don't understand why someone would declaw one. I just provided loads of things for them to scratch and provided them with a room that did not contain furniture I did not want them to ruin for when I left the house. Simple. But then I don't understand why people let their cats stray either. Mine had a sunroom out the back made out of mesh. They could enjoy the outdoors and remain safe without killing beautiful native birds.

 

[Blue]

They dont just removed the claw... they chop the toe off at the first joint... just to save the furniture, I find that kinda cruel. And I know the shelter I volunteered rarely took declawed cats because they tend to become biters and nasty

No they don't.

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Thats what I would call the first joint

 

[lene1949]

You do realise the debeaking of the african grey is probably 90% certain a troll post though right? Made to get a laugh out of people who rage over it.
You can get as enraged as you want but its an anonymous poster on the internet.
Its best to put your energy into a specific cause, there are a lot of troll posts around on the internet. No vet will cut a birds beak off entirely.

Nope, it does or did happen... Did you read the link in the first post? I think Dr Scott McDonald changed his mind on the practise...

 

[lene1949]

Having said that, I have owned cats and I don't understand why someone would declaw one. I just provided loads of things for them to scratch and provided them with a room that did not contain furniture I did not want them to ruin for when I left the house. Simple. But then I don't understand why people let their cats stray either. Mine had a sunroom out the back made out of mesh. They could enjoy the outdoors and remain safe without killing beautiful native birds.

I have had cats my whole life (not any more, though), and I'd never heard of declawing untill I joined bird forums on the internet... I don't even know if an Australian vet would do it? Or maybe it was done, when kittens were born? Just like they docked tails on dogs? Or shaped ears?

Thankfully all this is now illegal in Australia...

 

[Thingamagigs]

You do realise the debeaking of the african grey is probably 90% certain a troll post though right? Made to get a laugh out of people who rage over it.
You can get as enraged as you want but its an anonymous poster on the internet.
Its best to put your energy into a specific cause, there are a lot of troll posts around on the internet. No vet will cut a birds beak off entirely.

Nope, it does or did happen... Did you read the link in the first post? I think Dr Scott McDonald changed his mind on the practise...

He didn't remove the beak, he just split it in half.
The guy was talking about having the bird debeaked LOL
Having been around the internet for quite some time and being on 4chan etc, the entire paragraph, especially the "puddin" part was classic troll.

 

[Oedipussrex]

this is just animal cruilty, just like that time when that guy put him bird on the hood of his car and drove as fast as he could!!!! no bird should be put through this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember everyone raging at that a couple of years ago!
its depressing that the only reason the police could actually get him for anything is that he was driving in the emergency lane of the freeway. nothing to do with his treatment of the animal!

 

[HalfInsane]

I find this disgusting. Also, on the topic of declawing cats, my cousins had their cat declawed because it didn't like their toddler and would scratch him. Now its down right vicious and bites everyone instead. So, not only is it cruel, it seems to lead to misplaced aggression, as the cat has now lost its initial means of defense.

My families last dog (no longer with us ) was 5 years old when we got her, and had been debarked by her previous owner. She wasn't even a barky dog! Though, of course, when she did bark it was very raspy and quiet. I do think she may have been punished for barking even having bean debarked. She was obviously beaten, as she'd cower if you had a stick or broom, of if you even so much as slowly moved your foot towards her.

There's something wrong with people who resort to disfigured PHYSICAL surgery to solve BEHAVIOR problems in animals. But it seems our society as a whole also sees animals as disposable... so what can one expect?

 

[Thingamagigs]

Like I said, here in Australia sometimes it comes down to a choice of having your dog killed for barking, or having a simple surgery which quietens their voice. Its no more cruel than having a dog desexed... which involves removing an entire organ. We have our animals surgically altered all the time (desexed)... when it is to save their life I am all for it.

I would put debarking on the same level as desexing... declawing is as useless as altering beaks. But removing a beak entirely just would not happen, no one is going to do that.

 

[HalfInsane]

Debarking can actual cause dogs permanent discomfort/require additional surgery if the vocal cords form too much scar tissue having been cut.

Our dog (Abbi) was not even debarked by a vet. Her "owner" (read: twisted, sick waste of skin) admitted to having debarked her herself. I can only assume it was done by ramming a pole down her throat...

 

[Remy]

Some people really, really should not be allowed to have animals or children.

On October 27th, this year, an 18-year-old boy in a town near mine took his family dog, set in on fire, and killed it. He's in custody now, at least. There is absolutely NO excuse for this.