I am so angry! (warning graphic pic attached)

lizard · May 5, 2015

I finally got Jack's results back after waiting months because of specimen labeling errors and lab test availability. He's negative!!!! I am so relieved, I almost cried on the phone with the vet.

I decided to contact Ana Temple to tell her this and this was our conversation:

I am so riled up from this entire process. Raja suffered terribly as the vet found her little body riddled with lesions. I don't know what to think anymore. There's just no way she got it from us. My husband's parents have a macaw, but my eclectus never left our house. I had parrotlets that I rehomed a few months before I brought the eclectus parrots home. Nothing was used, everything new.

This is Raja the night before I put her to sleep. I waited too long to end her suffering.

Doublete · May 5, 2015

I don't know anything about the disease or how it's carried, but I'm very relieved your male doesn't have it.

JerseyWendy · May 5, 2015

I am beyond happy that your male is in the clear!

You've gone through SO much, in such a short time, and I can completely understand your anger and frustration.

I'm shaking my head at Ana's reply. She would never take responsibility, nor attempt to make this up to you. Her establishment leaves much to be desired, as does the way she deals with customers. She disgusts me - she really does.

Allee · May 5, 2015

I'm so glad your male tested negative.

Deepest condolences for your loss of Raja.

It's hard to believe how cold and unfeeling this woman came across in her messages to you and absolutely no acknowledgement or remorse for the pain and suffering she caused.

I'm very sorry for all you've gone through.

Anansi · May 5, 2015

I'm so glad that Jack has tested negative! I can imagine your relief upon hearing this news! I only wish you didn't also have to deal with the callous and selfish behavior of that breeder.

Unfortunately, legally speaking she's probably right. (In my humble opinion. I'm not a lawyer.) Your in-laws' macaw can be disproved as the source easily enough, but the rehomed parrotlets complicate things. Everything may have been new, but your word wouldn't be enough proof.

The only way you'd really be able to prove anything is if any of the other babies from that clutch (or any of the other baby birds present in her home at that time) also contracted polyoma. Short of that, you'd likely have a very difficult case to prove. And, as arrogant as she's coming off in that exchange, she knows it.

But that's the court of law. The court of public opinion, however, is something else entirely.

labell · May 5, 2015

Not that there was any doubt in my mind what an awful person she is but I must say that in over 25 yrs of hand feeding babies I have never ever used the same syringe to feed multiple babies not even ones from the same clutch!!

Weezerj · May 5, 2015

Sorry for your loss.

I had been in contact with this breeder looking for Yellow collared macaws....glad I read this, I will scratch her name off my list of potential breeders.

If nothing else, you may have saved others from the same type of thing happening to them by making us aware of this breeder.

(Honestly, even if it didn't come from her, she should have been much more sympathetic towards you)

lizard · May 5, 2015

Anansi said:
I'm so glad that Jack has tested negative! I can imagine your relief upon hearing this news! I only wish you didn't also have to deal with the callous and selfish behavior of that breeder.

Unfortunately, legally speaking she's probably right. (In my humble opinion. I'm not a lawyer.) Your in-laws' macaw can be disproved as the source easily enough, but the rehomed parrotlets complicate things. Everything may have been new, but your word wouldn't be enough proof.

The only way you'd really be able to prove anything is if any of the other babies from that clutch (or any of the other baby birds present in her home at that time) also contracted polyoma. Short of that, you'd likely have a very difficult case to prove. And, as arrogant as she's coming off in that exchange, she knows it.

But that's the court of law. The court of public opinion, however, is something else entirely.

Wouldn't she also have the burden of proving it didn't come from her home? She's saying that the mom tested negative and the babies would've died during weaning, which I believe. But I think Raja would've been exposed to it after she weaned based on the timeline of her illness. She has hundreds of birds and Carol, the actual breeder, told me she had to stick her birds together in aquariums when she had a house fire.

I have proof that the parrotlets new owners took everything I had of theirs--cages, toys, food, millet, bowls, absolutely everything. I even got rid of the furniture their cages were on to make the room bigger.

I wrote a report on ripoffreport.com yesterday and today she messaged me to tell me I have today to take it down or face penalties up to $12k. Everything I stated was factual and there's actually no way to take it down as the sites intentions are to keep people from being bullied into removing reports.

JerseyWendy · May 5, 2015

lizard said:
I wrote a report on ripoffreport.com yesterday and today she messaged me to tell me I have today to take it down or face penalties up to $12k. Everything I stated was factual and there's actually no way to take it down as the sites intentions are to keep people from being bullied into removing reports.

Do NOT let her threaten you! Do NOT respond to her. Keep all correspondence that has occurred so far, especially if she continues to send YOU messages now!

Anansi · May 5, 2015

lizard said:
Anansi said:

I'm so glad that Jack has tested negative! I can imagine your relief upon hearing this news! I only wish you didn't also have to deal with the callous and selfish behavior of that breeder.

Unfortunately, legally speaking she's probably right. (In my humble opinion. I'm not a lawyer.) Your in-laws' macaw can be disproved as the source easily enough, but the rehomed parrotlets complicate things. Everything may have been new, but your word wouldn't be enough proof.

The only way you'd really be able to prove anything is if any of the other babies from that clutch (or any of the other baby birds present in her home at that time) also contracted polyoma. Short of that, you'd likely have a very difficult case to prove. And, as arrogant as she's coming off in that exchange, she knows it.

But that's the court of law. The court of public opinion, however, is something else entirely.

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Wouldn't she also have the burden of proving it didn't come from her home? She's saying that the mom tested negative and the babies would've died during weaning, which I believe. But I think Raja would've been exposed to it after she weaned based on the timeline of her illness. She has hundreds of birds and Carol, the actual breeder, told me she had to stick her birds together in aquariums when she had a house fire.

I have proof that the parrotlets new owners took everything I had of theirs--cages, toys, food, millet, bowls, absolutely everything. I even got rid of the furniture their cages were on to make the room bigger.

I wrote a report on ripoffreport.com yesterday and today she messaged me to tell me I have today to take it down or face penalties up to $12k. Everything I stated was factual and there's actually no way to take it down as the sites intentions are to keep people from being bullied into removing reports.

Unfortunately, the burden of proof would be on you. Not her. And since there's no way to prove a negative, you also can't prove that you didn't somehow track the disease in on your clothing or in your hair... or that it wasn't lingering on your carpets.

The only way is to find other people who got birds from either her or Carol within the same time frame who would attest that their fids also tested positive to polyoma.

As for her threat, my guess is that as long as you'd only written everything as it happened, I doubt her threat has real teeth. I don't think she could really go after you unless she could show that your claims were slanderous.

RavensGryf · May 5, 2015

I'm very relieved to hear that Jack tested negative! I'm sorry that this is all still such a mess.

gracebowen · May 5, 2015

That woman is a word I'm not allowed to think let alone write here. Her attitude regarding all of this is awful.

JerseyWendy · May 5, 2015

Something VERY very fishy is going on! Only a few weeks ago she had ZERO feedback on Birdbreeders, and suddenly people are singing high praise of her birds and breeding practices? Reading through some of the reviews, it's quite obvious that she had friends/family involved in some of(perhaps all) the reviews. That further tells me she's had more than just a 'few' complaints.

Doublete · May 5, 2015

There's a ripoff report dated feb 2, 2015 stating diseased birds as well.

RavensGryf · May 5, 2015

JerseyWendy said:
Something VERY very fishy is going on! Only a few weeks ago she had ZERO feedback on Birdbreeders, and suddenly people are singing high praise of her birds and breeding practices? Reading through some of the reviews, it's quite obvious that she had friends/family involved in some of(perhaps all) the reviews. That further tells me she's had more than just a 'few' complaints.

Uh oh... That does sound pretty fishy! The customers that this has happened to need to come together somehow "expose" her before this devastating situation keeps on happening!! "Somehow", culture swabs to test for the disease need to be used in her and her partner's facilities for any positive proof that will be needed if it gets to court.

JerseyWendy · May 5, 2015

Doublete said:
There's a ripoff report dated feb 2, 2015 stating diseased birds as well.

Yup, and if you look at when the feedback started on Birdbreeders, your eyes will open wide. :54:

lizard · May 5, 2015

JerseyWendy said:
Something VERY very fishy is going on! Only a few weeks ago she had ZERO feedback on Birdbreeders, and suddenly people are singing high praise of her birds and breeding practices? Reading through some of the reviews, it's quite obvious that she had friends/family involved in some of(perhaps all) the reviews. That further tells me she's had more than just a 'few' complaints.

Based on the lack of English skills, I believe you're right, lol. Thanks for pointing that site out. I just rated her there too.

lizard · May 5, 2015

I've been looking at her Facebook to try to find the owners of the other eclectus babies and I can't really find them. She reposts customer photos with her own captions and no tags.

I think even if I could convince someone to test their birds, they might test negative because they're not actually shedding the virus?

A lot of good replies here, thank you.

ForteBebe · May 5, 2015

Oh my good! Ana doesn't deserve to breed or own birds! What a terrible person.

I hope this is resolved in your and the bird's favor.

Doublete · May 5, 2015

I can't see anything on birdbreeders.. Maybe cuz I'm not a member?

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