YNA Advice please

[Moody]

Hey


I hope that you are all fine and doing well.

I'm about to add a yellow nape amazon baby (2020 closed ring - although there is a small yellow patch on the nape! is that normal at that age of 5-7 months?! ) to my flock, I've the option to select either male or female.


1- Male or female? When it comes to yellow nape specifically, which one tends to be the best for talking, handling, bonding, behavioral issues, etc - I know that each bird is individual and there is no rule - just if there is a common thing by observance and experience etc.


If it helps, I'm a male, with a wife & 2 kids if it helps for selecting for bonding etc and other family related bonding if any.


2- auropalliata or parvipes? Which one is known to be better pet, known for better talking ability and clarity, behavioral, etc


Once again, Thank you for everything and support you are providing to the community and for everyone.


Have a great one & stay safe!


~M

 

[wrench13]

As far as I can determine auropalliata parvipes is the full taxonomic name for the yellow nape. There is no or. Napes are wonderful talkers usually. As you must know, not every parrot talks. My yellow shoulder Salty, his species is not noted for talking but he talks a lot. Sings and laughs too. Napes are part of the hot 3, if you have a DYH, you'll know what that means come puberty. They basically loose their minds. And not every nape does but most. I had one many decades ago, he was a phenominal talker, but hated kids , of which I had 3 small ones. Like most 'zons they tend to had a fav person and merely tolerate others. again each parrot is an individual, and early socializing helps.

 

[SailBoat]

Not sure I would add a baby to your adult flock of Parrots. There is no way to know how the dynamics will work out.

It is unfair to have such lofty expectations as to whether your newest addition will meet your wants. Those who have the best results place extensive time into the relationship and training.That seems to be the best predictor regarding outcome.

I have had both males and females and found that either, just as stated above, will exceed all your wants or not. It depends fully on you.

Tons more information regarding this subject can be found in the volumes provided in the Amazon sub-Forum.

 

[noodles123]

If you get a new Amazon (given your current birds and 2 kids), in the worst case scenario, it could throw off the whole dynamic and potentially injure the baby (given your current flock). Also, if your other birds haven't reached sexual maturity, I would advise that you wait before getting any more because they change a ton when they grow up, and what works now (with a bunch of young birds) will not necessarily work in the future. I mean, it takes years for most. How old are your other birds? If they are not all mature, you could see some serious changes in the years to come..

With the flock you have, if for some reason one threw off their rhythm and fighting started, you would be looking at 3-4 hours of separate out of cage and interaction time PER BIRD....Plus, they all live a long time...like 80+ years...

You have 2 kids, plus some very major birds that apparently get along well right now, but they may not forever if they are younger currently...I would just make sure you have though this through in terms of what could happen if they stop getting along so well (like I said, puberty could change things, a new bird could change things)---it isn't that it cannot be done, but it is more risk than I would personally be willing to take because there just aren't enough hours in the day if you have to start interacting with them separately.

 

[Ira7]

Did you ever learn any more about that yellow? My YNA doesn’t have a hint of it yet at 15 months, and I heard this is much more the norm. 5 to 6 months seems way too young, but who knows.

Are you 100% sure of the age, and/or he’s not a hybrid?

 

[SailBoat]

Regarding young Amazons in North America: They require a Hatch Certificate based on CITES Requirements. That certificate travels with this Amazon forever more, like a Birth Certificate.

As part of that document is the species of each Parent, which defines the heritage of the Parrot.

Assure that the seller will be providing this document and that you provide it and the DNA sex test results to your Avian Medical Professional to become part of the permanent Medical File.

 

[Ira7]

Regarding young Amazons in North America: They require a Hatch Certificate based on CITES Requirements. That certificate travels with this Amazon forever more, like a Birth Certificate.

As part of that document is the species of each Parent, which defines the heritage of the Parrot.

Assure that the seller will be providing this document and that you provide it and the DNA sex test results to your Avian Medical Professional to become part of the permanent Medical File.

My seller wanted $250 for this after I inquired about it a week later, and I told him to drop dead. Especially considering how much I paid for the bird. (Take a guess!)

It also seems like a very easy document for them to forge.

 

[SailBoat]

Regarding young Amazons in North America: They require a Hatch Certificate based on CITES Requirements. That certificate travels with this Amazon forever more, like a Birth Certificate.

As part of that document is the species of each Parent, which defines the heritage of the Parrot.

Assure that the seller will be providing this document and that you provide it and the DNA sex test results to your Avian Medical Professional to become part of the permanent Medical File.

My seller wanted $250 for this after I inquired about it a week later, and I told him to drop dead. Especially considering how much I paid for the bird. (Take a guess!)

It also seems like a very easy document for them to forge.

So, your young Amazon does not have a Hatch Document?

 

[Ira7]

Regarding young Amazons in North America: They require a Hatch Certificate based on CITES Requirements. That certificate travels with this Amazon forever more, like a Birth Certificate.

As part of that document is the species of each Parent, which defines the heritage of the Parrot.

Assure that the seller will be providing this document and that you provide it and the DNA sex test results to your Avian Medical Professional to become part of the permanent Medical File.

My seller wanted $250 for this after I inquired about it a week later, and I told him to drop dead. Especially considering how much I paid for the bird. (Take a guess!)

It also seems like a very easy document for them to forge.

So, your young Amazon does not have a Hatch Document?

I have a hatch document, not a CITES.

And it’s still meaningless:


They can stick any band on any bird and fill out that document any way that they want. I have my copy of it, but I seriously doubt this was ever submitted to any authorities.

 

[SailBoat]

My seller wanted $250 for this after I inquired about it a week later, and I told him to drop dead. Especially considering how much I paid for the bird. (Take a guess!)

It also seems like a very easy document for them to forge.

So, your young Amazon does not have a Hatch Document?

I have a hatch document, not a CITES.

And it’s still meaningless:
They can stick any band on any bird and fill out that document any way that they want. I have my copy of it, but I seriously doubt this was ever submitted to any authorities.

Sorry to hear that you had such a problem with the Seller.
FYI: Please have your Avian Professional make a copy of the document and include it with your Amazon's Medical File along with the DNA Sex Document. Adding to that set, I strongly consider having your Amazon Microchipped, (which commonly requires that you know his/her sex for certain). That combination will provide a solid document set with any North American governmental group for the very reason you stated.

FYI: Not all North America government groups except a band as proof of ownership.

Again, sorry you had such a problem.

 

[Moody]

Hey guys



I hope that you are fine & doing well.


I had a chance to take few pics of it today and I put a sign on the couple yellow feather on the nape/head - it's just 2 small yellowish feathers. Could it be due to normal coloration? mutation? health issues? nutrition? hybrid? or that's normal and is not a big deal?


Also, It would be great if you can advise if it's a hybrid or not as Ira raised that point.


Any other notes on it's being a pure YNA, overall shape/health, estimated age etc is highly appreciated. Regardless of any papers, closed ring that says 2020



I still consider getting it home while keeping all of your concerns and valuable input and advices in mind. Please advise.


Thank you in advance & have a great one

 

[SailBoat]

A flash of yellow is not uncommon on a YNA less than a year old. It can take several years for a prominent Yellow area on the Nape to fully develop. Commonly, as part of each molt, more Yellow feathers will appear.

Remember that as part of the document set required as part of the sale of this Amazon, the species of the parents is required. That is your determination of species until Adult coloration is in place.

 

[Moody]

A flash of yellow is not uncommon on a YNA less than a year old. It can take several years for a prominent Yellow area on the Nape to fully develop. Commonly, as part of each molt, more Yellow feathers will appear.

Remember that as part of the document set required as part of the sale of this Amazon, the species of the parents is required. That is your determination of species until Adult coloration is in place.

Thank you for your input. I don't live in the US. Plus I don't trust pet paperworks that much as there are fake pedigrees everywhere by some breeders...I saw that mostly for dogs imported from eastern Europe countries...so I trust more the look of dog/bird and judge by standards/measurements/specifications/knowns/etc - for double checking at least.


Thank you

 

[SailBoat]

A flash of yellow is not uncommon on a YNA less than a year old. It can take several years for a prominent Yellow area on the Nape to fully develop. Commonly, as part of each molt, more Yellow feathers will appear.

Remember that as part of the document set required as part of the sale of this Amazon, the species of the parents is required. That is your determination of species until Adult coloration is in place.

Thank you for your input. I don't live in the US. Plus I don't trust pet paperworks that much as there are fake pedigrees everywhere by some breeders...I saw that mostly for dogs imported from eastern Europe countries...so I trust more the look of dog/bird and judge by standards/measurements/specifications/knowns/etc - for double checking at least.


Thank you

CITES documentation for Amazons exists in all First World and several Second World Nations. Assure that your Country 'does not' require a Hatch Certificate for Amazons. Note, If it is required to having appropriate documentations, not having them, will limit your ability to travel and/or sell your Amazon in the future.

 

[Moody]

@SailBoat There is a CITES, Importing papers & invoices etc that's just showing the breed of it, it's not showing the parents details.



Thanks for the notes on the papers and certs, I just wanted to double check if this one is a pure YNA by judging it's look or not regardless of whatever is written on the papers. I hope that clarified my point.


Sincerely

 

[SailBoat]

@SailBoat There is a CITES, Importing papers & invoices etc that's just showing the breed of it, it's not showing the parents details.

Thanks for the notes on the papers and certs, I just wanted to double check if this one is a pure YNA by judging it's look or not regardless of whatever is written on the papers. I hope that clarified my point.

Sincerely

The Yellow Nape family (species) contains three members. The most common defining difference is Size! Coloration tends to be fairly consistent with a few individuals displaying somewhat more Yellow. I am not aware of any effort anywhere to Hybrid Yellow Napes as increasing the amount of Yellow would take decades to develop with little to no market interest.

In the Parrot Judging World, 'young' Amazons are not rated against the Species Nominate as their coloration has not fully emerged. At your YN's age, it will be another 5 to 8 years before Adult coloration is in place. It can be an additional 3 to 5 years until full Adult plumage is in place with some being a bit slower. Sadly, YN's do not add color in a measurable fashion, thus coloration cannot be used to define age, only that an Adult will have more yellow than a young Nape.

Enjoy!
Amazons Have More Fun!

 

[Moody]

@SailBoat There is a CITES, Importing papers & invoices etc that's just showing the breed of it, it's not showing the parents details.

Thanks for the notes on the papers and certs, I just wanted to double check if this one is a pure YNA by judging it's look or not regardless of whatever is written on the papers. I hope that clarified my point.

Sincerely

The Yellow Nape family (species) contains three members. The most common defining difference is Size! Coloration tends to be fairly consistent with a few individuals displaying somewhat more Yellow. I am not aware of any effort anywhere to Hybrid Yellow Napes as increasing the amount of Yellow would take decades to develop with little to no market interest.

In the Parrot Judging World, 'young' Amazons are not rated against the Species Nominate as their coloration has not fully emerged. At your YN's age, it will be another 5 to 8 years before Adult coloration is in place. It can be an additional 3 to 5 years until full Adult plumage is in place with some being a bit slower. Sadly, YN's do not add color in a measurable fashion, thus coloration cannot be used to define age, only that an Adult will have more yellow than a young Nape.

Enjoy!
Amazons Have More Fun!

Thanks, But not necessarily the yellow coloration...I mean by several factors such as the size, head, eyes, cere, Beak, etc which can tell something for experienced eyes.


Thanks once again for the valuable advice's.

 

[SailBoat]

We are quickly coming up to a hard wall without specific background information regarding your Amazon's parents. Without that information, there is little more that can be stated until your Amazon is old enough to provide clear statements regarding its other feathers.

Your questions really need to be directed to those who sold you, you're Nape.