White baby budgie sexing! O.o

[DannyA93]

Hello if any of you are following the conure section then you know I almost had a baby pineapple green cheek that ended up not working out. But that made me realize I just need to start small and not rush back into trying to rebuild my flock/: so I decided I'm just going to a get a very pretty little budgie til I'm 100% ready to start up that section of the flock again. So here I am calling out to ALL experienced budgie breeders and extremely knowledgable budgie keepers.

I can basically sex a young colored budgie pretty easily but I know that the white, albino and lutino mutations don't follow the same cere color rules! Do you guys mind sharing you're knowledge and your best tips on how to do this with a white baby? I'd really prefer a male white baby. Thank you for your help!

 

[RavensGryf]

It's hard not to rush in to want to 're-build' your flock right away, but good for you for thinking it through
I'm just now starting to re-build a small flock again myself.

I love the Budgies. I'd never had Budgies before until last year, and I was surprised how the males can be noisy little things!
Adorable little birds though.

The Ino mutations (albino, lutino, creamino) males are like my recessive pied males in that they start with light pinkish purple ceres, and they stay that way into maturity. The females get the brown when mature.

 

[getwozzy]

Here is a picture of my albino budgie, John Snow, to give you somewhat of an idea- I don't know his exact age, but that he's most likely a male (he is also vying for the affections of my female budgie so I think that confirms it lol)...he is also slightly smaller than my other 3 budgies.

 

[RavensGryf]

Shirre, your little guy is SO cute!
I have 2 males, and they always flirt with each other. I think they might be a little more than friends. I've even seen one try to mount the other!
I know they are both males. They've been DNA'd, and year and a half later the cere is still male color.

 

[getwozzy]

Shirre, your little guy is SO cute!

I have 2 males, and they always flirt with each other. I think they might be a little more than friends. I've even seen one try to mount the other!

I know they are both males. They've been DNA'd, and year and a half later the cere is still male color.

Lol! Oh my!

The only one I'm absolutely positive on gender is my female, and that's because she's laid eggs before lol

 

[DannyA93]

O cool thank you guys! I called a petsmart in a town near me and they have a budgie who is all white, I'm not sure if he's albino or dark eyed clear. The associate did tell me he was really small though. Aren't males smaller than females? Smokey was definitely smaller than Andie was for sure lol

 

[RavensGryf]

Not necessarily. Twigs is a small DNA male. Just depends on the individual.
I got my budgies at Petsmart too, and I noticed the stores out here really have some unusual mutations on a regular basis. Some of the colors are so beautiful it's tempting, I can see how people end up with a bunch of them!

Edit: I re-read. You said you did think the males were smaller than females. No... It is just individual genetics.

 

[MonicaMc]

I used to have two male budgies. One blue, one green. Both ceres the nice deep rich blue of a males! Since they were my only budgies at one time, they would often try to mount each other! However, since neither one cared for the bottom position, no hanky panky went on between them!

Dark-eyed clear budgies are usually considered to be a combination of dominant pied and recessive pied. As such, males will have pink ceres and females will get the white/blue/tan/brown ceres. Eyes will remain black with no eye rings.

Lutino and albino budgies will follow the same rules as the DEC budgies, except their eyes will be red and they will have an eye-ring. It's the color of the eyes is how you determine the differences between these two mutations.



And then a favorite of mine but one I've never had before! Double factor spangles! In DF Spangles, males and females will have black eyes with the white-eyering and the males will get the blue ceres! DF Spangles can be easy to tell apart from the other two mutations by the color of the eyes and the presence of that white eye-ring!

Here's a link to a page, top 3 pics are of a DF Spangle hen (she's young! looks to still have baby black eyes) and a DF Spangle adult male with that pretty blue cere!

Df Spangles - Little Feathered Friends Aviary



This page actually has a good comparison between normal, recessive pied and ino eyes.

Mutations and Genetics - Little Feathered Friends Aviary

 

[DannyA93]

Alright thank you guys this is pretty much exactly what I was looking for but I was looking at genetics and I got that the only way to get an albino male is if both parents are albino other than that they'll ether be cross or normal and the females will come out albino. Is this true??

 

[MonicaMc]

Yup, it's true!

Albino is a Blue Lutino. Short hand for the mutations is "Ino".

Ino is a sex-linked mutation.



Normal Male x Ino Hen
100% Normal Males split Ino
100% Normal Hens


Normal Male split Ino x Normal Hen
50% Normal Males split Ino
50% Normal Males
50% Ino Hens
50% Normal Hens


Ino Male x Normal Hen
100% Normal Males split Ino
100% Ino Hens


Normal Male split Ino x Ino Hen
50% Normal Males split Ino
50% Ino Males
50% Normal Hens
50% Ino Hens


Ino Male x Ino Hen
100% Ino Males
100% Ino Hens




Although the mutation is sex-linked, I often see more Ino males than I do females!

 

[DannyA93]

Genetics are so interesting lol thank you for that! I just brought a baby tonight using all the tips on this thread have a look!! I made a new one with a pic of him )(