What mutation am I??

[amandateixeira]

Hello, I recently purchased this conure, from what I've been told it is a blue pineapple, but from research it looks a little different them the pictures I've seen. just hoping for some opinions and insight?

Thanks!!!!!!

 

[Rio Mom]

Hello and welcome! Beautiful bird you have there! Possibly a turquoise green cheek?

 

[amandateixeira]

i think so too. but shes a cross with a turquoise and something else which gives her the cream and red color she has along with the blue. the breeder says a blue pineapple, but I'm skeptical because from the pictures I'm researched they look different then she is.

 

[Rio Mom]

She's absolutely gorgeous! What's her name?

 

[amandateixeira]

Her name is Luna.

 

[IolaniAviary]

As far as I know there is no such thing as a "Blue Pineapple". Sounds like a fancy name a breeder created to sell better. Turquoise is definitely the mutation, may have a split to "pineapple". You have to remember in GCC there are Normal, Yellow-sided and Turquoise. There are variations in each, such as some breeders have lines with a lot of red. It doesn't make it a different mutation. Just like some people call a Cinnamon Yellow Sided a Pineapple. As of right now there is no real blue mutation, and turquoise is often mistaken for one.

Btw, I am new to GCC mutations. Some aviaries do call their birds blue, but breeders claim there is no true blue just like with Lovebirds.

 

[Pedro]

There is such a mutation. There are blue & turquoise pineapple green cheeks. In Australia they fetch a hefty price around $3000 to $4000 each.

This mutation is achieved by mating a blue with a pineapple. They are really beautiful.

 

[Pedro]

Description:
Green Cheeked Conure Mutations-BLUE SERIES.
-Green/Blues- Cocks & Hens
-Blues- Cocks & Hensd
-Cinnamon/Blue/Yellowside- Cocks
-Cinnamon/Blue- Hens
-Yellowside /Blue/ Cinnamon- Cocks
-Yellowside/Blue- Cocks & Hens
-Blue/Yellowsided- Cocks
-Green/Blue/Yellowside- Cocks
-Blue/Pineapple –Cocks
-Green/Pineapple/Blue – Cocks
-Pineapple/Blue- Cocks & Hens
-Cinnamon Blue (Silvers)- Cocks & Hens
-Cinnamon Blue/Yellowside – Cocks
-Blue Yellowside- Cocks & Hens
-Blue Yellowsided/Cinnamon- Cocks
-Blue Pineapple- Cocks & Hens

http://www.buyabird.com.au/photos/sticky_beak_pics_of_green_cheek_conures_003v.jpg

An Australian Breeder that is breeding the blue series.

 

[amandateixeira]

So shes a blue pineapple then? .. Very confused:S

 

[Atwee921]

WOW shes BEAUTIFUL!!! I want her!
Your very lucky to have such a unique birdie.
I think she is a pineapple turquoise.

 

[Conurekidd]

a blue pineapple is a CROSS mutation. And not between turquoise and pinapple.
It's achieved with a vary of splits. You have a pineapple spit touquose and a cinnamon split pineapple. Considering most gcc mutations are sex linked only males can carry this split. You'll have to breed a few generations to achieve. However with the right visual to split it can easily be achieved. It's confusing and I'm no teacher. However it's not common and a magnificent find!! You have an extremely beautiful conure!!!

 

[Bobioden]

What confuses me is all the pineapples I have seen have a cream head, and a light beak. I think she/he is just a turquoise.

Whichever he/she is, he/she is a beautiful bird.

 

[Conurekidd]

Cross mutations rule out dominate features. He's not full turquoise.
The tail prooves that. Although this bird look dominate turquoise and and has pineapple or yellowsided in him. Also most likely splits pinapple or yellowsided IF he's a he.

 

[IolaniAviary]

Either way there is no true blue mutation, it's a name that's been given to a cross mutation because of the appearance. I'm still rather sure there is no blue mutation in GCC just like there is no blue mutation in peach face lovebirds.

 

[Pedro]

I have to agree that there is some other factor with the OP'S bird although very pretty, if from the blue series should not have orange feathers on head. If there is no true blue mutation then what do you call a blue bird.??? I think this needs to be explaned. Lutino & blue were the first mutations that breeders had to work with & they actually happen in the wild so there is no interference by man.

Blue is a primary colour mutation. It inactivates the production of yellow family pigments. This pigment is called blue because in any common green coloured parrot, the presence of this mutation results in a blue appearence of the bird. Remember that the colours blue & yellow create green. If the yellow is removed you are left with blue.

I think the same applies with blue peachfaced love birds. You have to understand colour mutations & genetics & how it all works.

 

[Conurekidd]

K know how it works. It's all I study. And I couldn agree more. Just like they call wf tiels a blue mutation. Due to the pigment remove from the the mutation
I agree if the birds blue then It's blue.
But I was confused on your lutino Theroy. Are you refering to gcc because I never knew there was a lutino. I know suncheek.

 

[Pedro]

Sorry for the confusion, As far as i know there is no lutino GCC,was just generalizing on the fact that these 2 mutations happen in the wild with any species of parrot.

Even if this beautiful bird was par-blue or turquoise there should be not orange, red, yellow colours through the feathers. Maybe a more dominant gene or co-dominant is involved. It is all very interresting when something different comes along.

The only other thing i can come up with is an aquired colour which isn't a mutation colour but something that happens when a chick is feathering out & once they go through their yearly molt they go back to their normal colour or mutation. In this case Turquoise.

 

[IolaniAviary]

There are blue Lovebirds, and still there is no TRUE blue mutation. I will ask a breeder to write up a better explanation. I am not the best at explaining.

Pedro in Lovebirds there is no blue mutation. There is no recognized blue mutation in peachface Lovebirds

 

[IolaniAviary]

Direct from a trusted breeder "As of yet, though, there are many nice samples of 'blue' birds, this has all been about selection of the bluest birds possible, which they seem to have really excelled at in Europe. But, these birds may still turn color and I think many do, at three years old and older, where they get a pinkish head and some green on the back. Plus, when bred, they can still throw babies that have the psittacine and have the greenish marks in the blue, like most turquoise that are seen. Here is an article by Dirk van den Abeele, who is from Belgium and has been studying lovebird feathers for a long time, though, he is really only an amateur scientist. Actually, I think you have to look at his website, yourself to see the article. Once you're on the website, click english, than on the left hand side, click Articles, under the article section there is one under Agapornis Roseicollis, called The Evolution in turquoise roseicollis and it will give you a whole lot of info about your question."

I believe the same goes for the GCC. There have been birds that have been bred to look more and more blue. But they are all still crosses of the turquoise mutation.

 

[IolaniAviary]

And here is from another trusted breeder who is on a few forums, not sure about this one. She goes on to mention the GCC.

" I don't really know myself, other than a true blue mutation has not appeared in peachface lovebirds. It exists in the "eyering" group, but not peachfaces. Some believe that there never will be a true blue peachface mutation.

Both blue, and various par-blue mutations (2 or 3?) exist in budgerigars, cockatiels, indian ringnecks, quakers and who knows how many other species. I don't see why it can't exist in peachface lovebirds, either.

I do know that there's a par-blue mutation in green cheek conures, and have heard a rumor about a true blue mutation, but have yet to see one... just really blue par-blues!"