Sutiable parrots for apartment living

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Valentino - Red Fronted Macaw - Hatched August 12, 2012
Well as most of you know I will have to be renting from now on. It will probably have to be a apartment so I would like to know from those that have experience with a lot of different parrot species which species would be tolerated in apartment living? I know cockatiel and budgies are popular for apartments but I would like to know about larger parrots that would be able to get away with staying in an apartment without my getting threatened with eviction.

Thanks for your input.
 
I had a Myers parrot in an apartment. I know longer live in an apartment and I now have a Senegal, she would probably do ok in an apartment too. She can get loud but it's not constant. Myers are not as loud as a Senegal IMHO.
 
It's not easy, but any parrot can be trained to keep the volume lower, not to chew outside it's cage, and precautions can be taken to prevent damages from food and poop. Of course, smaller species tend to be easier to keep at a reasonable volume and are less destructive, but any bird can be an apartment dweller with the right training and diligent supervision.

We have always lived in SMALL apartments, and Kiwi (amazon) has done very well. However, the problem we've encountered is so called "pet friendly" places would be willing to allow someone to have a mastiff or 57 cats in their 1 bedroom apartment, but the moment you say "we have a parrot", they immediately refuse to rent to you. It is very difficult every time we move to convince a prospective landlord to just talk to our current landlord to confirm Kiwi has never caused a single problem. Even after finding out Kiwi has never caused any damages, never had a noise complaint, we've passed inspection after inspection (I keep his areas, and the rest of our apartment very very clean), landlords STILL seem to be biased against parrots. I guess theres too many horror stories of them chewing up the place, pooping everywhere and screaming to the point of driving everyone in the complex to the brink of insanity. I would be careful of getting into any more big birds if you're going to be a long term renter. I think landlords are much more willing to accept smaller birds than the big boys.
 
We are in a condo, so same type of close situation... we have the two bare eyeds, 2 green cheeks, 1 sun conure (go ahead let your mouth drop open on that one), 4 tiels and a budgie... the most obnoxious of the group - the tiny budgie, when Cam gets started I want to toss him out the door!!!

But, totally agree with Kiwi, any bird can be taught or redirected for the vocals. Ivory will do her call when everyone is out and she hears the keys, but its like a single call and as soon as she can say hello and hear us respond, she does the tongue click / kissing sound we use with her. She seldom if ever screams. The sun is a baby and outside of vocally announcing its bedtime and he needs to be escorted back to his cage, he also has quickly learned that yelling gets you nothing. Some of our neighbors do not even know we have birds. And others say the only time they can really hear the birds is warm weather when the windows are open, but they are no louder then the birds outside chirping away.

If you adopt from a rescue or take in a rehome adult, you can focus on finding a bird that is quiet already. Not all birds are screamers, not even all toos! There is even a quiet Moluccan at the shelter, even quiet in the midst of the chaos of the other screaming toos!

The two senegals at the shelter, I don't think I've ever heard much of a sound out of them except this croaking, garbly thing they do when interacting. They also have a really quiet sun female, so there is hope to find specific birds even in the species that are known to be loud.

Good luck when you start your search!! And best thoughts for you when you're dealing with finding a new place and the move... we are planning a move in the near future and I beyond dread the thought... Just my personal advice, as a renter, look at privately rented places, a house split into apartments or such, think you'll find much friendlier options going that avenue...
 
I am going to work very hard to be able to keep my Valentino. He would be the only bird unfortunately and I understand RFM does better in flocks. Now I am at home all day but I have taught Valentino from day one he has to stay in his cage during the day. This is a plus for me because I will have to work 8 hours a day plus commute time depending on where I get the job.

I also know since I was in the hospital for two weeks in December then one week home and back to the hospital another two weeks Valentino does scream for me. I can be standing in the kitchen (my whole downstairs is a open great room) talking with Lupe and Valentino will begin screaming because no attention is paid to him. He will also scream when he knows its Momma time and instead of taking him out and having him with me or playing on his tree he has to stay in cage for safety while I cook. I know it will take a LOT of training and adjustment for Valentino to be a "apartment" parrot but I cannot kid myself either. He is a larger parrot who can scream loud enough for me to feel like knives are stabbing my brain. His talking volume is normal as loud as we talk. His scream is pure RFM.

Valentino is very young and very intelligent. I know he can learn to adjust to any situation because although I have not socialized him much he always does well when I do take him places he has never been before. This Sunday I am taking him to visit with a Blue Throat Macaw and I believe on his part he will not be stressed because he grew up with BTM's. Wendy had baby RFM and BTM's she raises at the same time so Valentino was socialized with different species of parrot.

IF I end up having to place Valentino I would be heartbroken. He will be my only parrot left. Lupe will either have to surrender Julio back to the rescue he came from or with permission with the rescue place him locally as Lupe cannot keep him. I originally wanted to keep both parrot together after we finally parted ways but that was on contingent of me staying in my town home. Now that I am losing the house I have to prepare for all the bad that could happen with me and my boy.

Another negative which I never had to deal with my other parrots is Valentino is VERY MESSY. He is the worst parrot I have ever had with potty training. He poops outside his cage and off the stand for the Java tree. I have to clean up after him constantly and I am afraid he will eventually destroy walls, floor, carpet or what not of a rented place. *sigh* I have too many fears for him.

If I end up having to part with my Valentino I don't know if I could ever get over it. It would be very hard to accept and at that point I would end up birdless and alone. I think that would really break me as I have suffered so much loss. Too much loss for one person to have to deal with.
 
My galah does fine in my apartment; even when she screams at full volume, it is not that bad or that frequent.

Sorry you might have to rehome your baby. :(
 
I lived in an apartment with three conures, two amazons and a red fronted macaw...

Depends on the birds and how well trained they are, and your landlord and your neighbors, and how understanding they are.

None of mine were screamers. Ergo, no problems.

As for the mess, keep the cage away from the walls, and put sheet linoleum under the cage, large enough to protect the whole area around the cage. Shop vac every day. And a good spot bot, and/or steam cleaner goes a long ways.
 
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I know I actually make out Valentino to be this horrible screamer who won't shut up but the vocalizations are probably more on the normal end for the species. I also know he is the largest parrot I ever lived with. He has a very strong personality and sometimes we clash when working/training. I have learned how to get him to respond to me and no..its not with food.

I become mush every time Valentino says "I love you". He says it in different inflections and there is one in particular which I nearly come to tears with. I gotta be able to keep my boy but to do so I need to have complete control over where I am going to live so I can choose where we go. If I have to depend on the government to pay for part/all of where I live I will then have no control and will end up in a crap situation.

My biggest fear right now is not being homeless but having to rehome Valentino. I don't think I could take that hit.
 
It's really sad to read through your posts, what a horrible situation. I hope there's a solution that keeps the two of you together.

I would second galahs as a possible option for quieter large birds. They tend to get lumped in with other cockatoos in the noise stakes, but the ones I've come across aren't anywhere near the white toos in volume. I've lived in an apartment with Alice for nine months now and it's only now we've started venturing out occasionally that anyone else in the block has realized I have her. She has her moments but there are native birds outside that are far louder, so I guess she just blends in with them.
 
My biggest fear right now is not being homeless but having to rehome Valentino. I don't think I could take that hit.

THEN FOCUS YOUR ENERGY ON FINDING A PLACE THAT WILL ACCEPT HIM...

I HAD TO FIND A LANDLORD THAT WOULD ACCEPT ME WITH 5 BIRDS, ON ONE OCCASION, 11 BIRDS, ON ANOTHER, AND 5 BIRDS AGAIN ON ANOTHER.

IT CAN BE DONE. FOCUS ON THAT, AND STOP BEATING YOURSELF UP!!!

IT DOES NO GOOD...

Incidentally, been through bankruptcy once. Survived it.

Been through a divorce, and lost a house. Survived it.

Lost my job, and had to move half way across the country (with five birds plus my daughter) and live with my sister for awhile. Survived it.

LIFE WILL GO ON, BUT YOU NEED TO START DOING ALL YOU CAN DO TO PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION TO SURVIVE THIS...

AGAIN MY RFM DID JUST FINE IN AN APARTMENT SETTING... No noise complaints at all.
 
I think I saw you have a few months to move out of your foreclosed home, so I would take that opportunity to get started on training Valentino. Working with a parrot is like working with a toddler- you must be consistent and make it VERY clear what you expect of them (and what will happen if expectations are not met). When Kiwi came to us he was basically feral. Thankfully we were in a detached unit when we first got him (he has an atrocious screech), and we got the screaming curbed within a few months. He got lots of praise for any positive noises. When he screamed loud, we would ignore it for about a minute, and if he was just THAT worked up, he got a time out. I would warn him "time out", and if he CONTINUED to do it, he got it. As in 3 minutes in a quiet, covered cage so he could calm down and compose himself. Once he quieted down, we praised and gave treats. We used a different color blanket for time outs so he didn't associate the time outs with bed time. He learned fast. He still lets loose every so often and still gets himself an occasional time out, but for the most part, he is pretty quiet. He uses lots of nice little noises to communicate and express himself.

When he started coming out and exploring more, he got a (very light) tap on the beak and a firm "no" when he touched something he wasn't allowed to (furniture, panelling, cords ect...). We gave him lots of praise when he played with something in his cage or on his play gym. He learned very fast not to touch stuff outside his areas. When he isn't in his cage/on his perch, he is closely supervised so if he does get a bit curious we just have to tell him "no" and he will stop what he's doing even if we are across the room. We also try to always make sure he has little toys to play with when he is away from his areas so he will leave stuff he can't touch alone, and use the key word "yours" as we hand an item to him so he knows he's allowed to touch and play with the item.

Potty training was a matter of watching him, closely. When his butt would start dropping, we would grab him and quickly get him to his perch. We actually didn't intend to potty train him, we didn't even know parrots could be potty trained! He just learned in a hurry to stick his foot up for a ride (he doesn't fly) BEFORE he had to poop or he would be getting rushed back when he really had to go.

Mess is the one thing you just cannot train out of them. They are messy no matter what. With Kiwi, we keep him on a very large, inexpensive rug that doesn't matter if it gets damaged or not. I use the rug because it's more "decorative", however, you can just go to any carpet/flooring store and buy a big scrap of linoleum flooring for next to nothing that will do the same job. Kiwi is not a big flinger, but we did have to keep his cage close to a wall in our last place, so we kept a plastic sheet up behind his cage to protect it. You could use a tarp, or just go to the fabric store and buy a heavy-weight vinyl sheet by the yard. I diligently clean Kiwi's cage, play stand, t-perch and rugs every day so that never would there be a time the landlord comes over for an emergency or whatever and sees a dirty area with seeds and poop everywhere. As I said, it can be done, but it is a lot more difficult to modify their natural behaviors and keep a eagle eye on them than it would be in a place you own (and make the rules for). Very constant reactions to behaviors, reinforcement and diligent supervision is KEY to owning large parrots in apartments. And at the end of the day, it also YOUR responsibility to watch them to make sure they don't rip up the walls and carpet, or scream until the neighbors call the cops. Even if we owned out home, Kiwi would not be allowed to be destructive or excessively loud. Plenty of parrot owners work through all these issues and live long and happy lives with their birds in any living situation they find themselves in. If Valentino is a smart boy, I'm sure he can learn too. Best of luck!
 
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Noble... don't get yourself too upset just yet. You never know, you might go out looking for a rental place and find a bird owner who is renting an apartment! There are plenty of us around!!! The bird shelter we volunteer at has a cottage on their property they rent out, never know you might stumble across a similar situation.

As for keeping Valetino, I think you are more then committed to making things work. There are so many options for making an area easy to clean up, birdman had a few great suggestions... you could make a corner where the java stand is all vinyl flooring covered, or even from Ollie's or Walmart, purchasing a cheap 6x9 rug and put it down, hang a shower curtain on the wall side and you have an easy cleanup area, rug gets too messy, well it was $20 or $30, toss it, get another one... or as birdman said, get linoleum from Home Depot or Lowes, put it on the floor and even tack it up the wall (easy to fix a few nail holes moving out then a major mess). Or ask if you can paint, and use a scrubbable paint or offer to repaint before you move out. Lots of options!

I can only imagine how upsetting all this is for you, not just about the birds, but the whole situation, so I am guessing you might be thinking more on the worst that will happen type mindset... but keep posting here, there are so many people that can offer ideas and thoughts, never know, someone might even be in a general area where you live and offer suggestions for rental opportunities. Its a great community here, keep everyone informed and I know with the support you will get here you will make things work and I'd even bet you find a way to keep both birds...

Good luck and posting, you have lots of support here!!
 
What you DON'T want to do, when talking to prospective landlords, is to educate them.

Find a place that allows pets. Tell them you have a bird. If they don't ask, then don't tell them what kind. If they do ask, tell them it is a red fronted macaw. FIB A LITTLE. HE'S CAGED MOST OF THE TIME. Emphasis is on YOU ARE A RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER.

If your bird is friendly and well behaved, bring him with you. Let him charm them. Let them see there's nothing to be afraid of. If he's not so well behaved, then leave him at home...

My old landlord in Cali was impressed when I walked into her place with FIVE well trained birds on my person... no harnesses, and they stepped right up for her. Then I explained my delema, and was prepared to put down a deposit and give references...
 
jenphilly and birdman both bring up excellent points about finding a rental that accepts birds. There are a lot of bird owners out there who also do rentals (and aren't so biased) as well as a lot of people who just know nothing about them and may not have any negative associations with them (i.e., think they live in cages and eat nothing but seed and chirp all day). Our last place, we simply added "we have a pet bird" when we went to view it, and he didn't ask anything further until we had signed a lease and were moving in (and then he saw how large of a bird we had and got "that look"). Joe took him out and he made some cute noises and I showed him how nice of a setup he had (reinforced he was well cared for) and we had no further issues. When we moved this time, we got flat out refused before we could say another word by 3 places after we said we had a bird. So we took to craigslist and posted "QUIET couple and pet bird looking for apartment", described what we were looking for, how much we were looking at for rent, said we would be more than happy for them to speak to our current landlord about how well behaved our bird is, and posted an absolutely irresistibly adorable photo of Kiwi in his *pristinely* clean cage along with the ad. We had 4 responses within a couple days, and managed to find a nice basement apartment and the homeowners are a nice couple who also have a bird. It's not impossible, just more difficult.
 
I'm renting now, and I was given a GRAND TOTAL of 3 days to find a place that would take me, WHILE WORKING FULL TIME 50 PLUS HOURS PER WEEK... and the next weekend I moved myself, my daughter, and my flock, during Christmas vacation!

It was hard, but I managed to do it.

Getting a job is priority number one. Finding a place is priority number 2.
 
I live in an apartment, I have 2 Maximillian's Pionus Parrots and a Green Cheek Conure. They are all quieter than the cockatiels I have had in the past in both volume and time spent chattering, and spend much less time vocalizing than a budgie. MUCH LESS. I would choose either of these species over budgies or cockatiels. My neighbors only hear these guys when the windows are open, and trust me, we have thin walls! In fact, Pionus Parrots have been nicknames "the apartment parrot" for a good reason! My budgies and teals disrupted my household with their noise, my babies now don't even wake up the human baby who sleeps right above them!
 
Also, as to finding a rental that accepts birds, I am currently house/apartment hunting. I live in a building right now with 4 units. Each of my neighbors has agreed to write a letter of recommendation stating they low noise level of my birds and dog, as well as their non-destructive natures. My land lord has agreed to do the same as far as having never received noise complaints, and that the house is damage free. I have had 2 property managers so far say they are willing to compromise on the "no pets" policy provided I can show these letters with phone numbers, and pay an extra pet deposit or pet rent. They key is to be super polite and upfront about it, and say how you take your neighbors' quality of life and peace very seriously. It doesn't always work, but it can't hurt. Best of luck!
 
I am renting now with a Dusky Conure who can be quite loud at time. my neighbor shares a common wall with me. Ant there is a Realty office and Dentist office below my apartment. When I went to look at my apartment, my boyfriend had previously forgotten to tell our landlord about my conure, so at the lease signing I told her about him. She was very open and accepting of him. She had owned birds at one time and had known how great life was with him. She asked me all types of questions about him such as " What are his favorite snacks? does he talk? and of course, Is he loud? and how much time does he spend out of the cage? I answered her questions honestly.

"Yes, he can be loud. Especially when I am home. You see he is pair bonded with me. I know what makes him loud and i do my best to keep him calm and quiet. If I am home he is out of his cage. However, when he is out of his cage he is either on me or in my immediate line of sight. You see I have two cats, and one I dont trust around him so he is constantly supervised."

My landlord didnt ask any more questions. She has rented to us without a problem. I have lived in my apartment for a year and a half now without a single complaint from my landlord, the businesses or my neighbor.

You just have to be open, honest and look for a place that accept pets. It is possible
 
Keep trying to find a place where you can have Valentino. You might end up being surprised. I actually live in public housing and we are only allowed to have pets with fins, feathers, or scales. I have a Senegal, Green cheek conure, & a Black cap conure and have never had any problems. My neighbor 3 doors down has a very vocal Jenday conure you can hear half a block away with all doors and windows shut and they have had no problems either. These are townhouse apartments. I would definitely put an ad on Craigslist too. Landlords do look at those. My boss rents apartments above our office and found a new tenant through Craiglist.
Also, landlords are more willing to work with people who are good tenants since good tenants are hard to find. As an accountant I've heard horror stories about bad tenants from small time landlords and the leeway they give good ones. If you have someone who could foster Valentino for a bit while you establish yourself then it might be easier to get him in. I hope it all works out for you.
 

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