Stubborn 'Zon's??...

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Who...besides me....has at times..a VERY stubborn Amazon??

When I open Amy's front door for him (see 'Boat's,I'm learning ) I CANNOT get him to come out. I extend his perch stick into his house,he'll chew it,kick it,hang upside down by one foot from his rafters with the other on the perch,or just walk upside-down from his sealing while chewing away at the perch.
So I have to walk away. Eventually he'll come out and sit on top of his front door. As soon as he see's me coming ZOOM right back inside he goes.
I have to wait until he is on top of his play top,then scurry over real quick and close his front door before he manages to climb down,grab his roof top,and swing upside-down and back inside..this can go one for ten minutes ( a GAME to Amy I'm sure )

OR,like tonight,if I DO manage to close his front door before he manages to scamper back in..when I have his perch and ask him to step up while on his play top,Amy manages to lay on his side,kick the perch,chew the perch,roll over on his back..do ANYTHING except step up!

God forbid I have to get him and Beeb's out of the house because of an emergency! :52:



Jim

 

[Mindy]

I thought it was just because Chicky is so new to us that she won't cooperate! How many years of this did I commit to?!? ; )

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

I thought it was just because Chicky is so new to us that she won't cooperate! How many years of this did I commit to?!? ; )

LOL :52: The FUN is just beginning! Lets see here...Amy has been with me going on thirty years now...lol






Jim

 

[BeatriceC]

I thought it was just because Chicky is so new to us that she won't cooperate! How many years of this did I commit to?!? ; )

LOL :52: The FUN is just beginning! Lets see here...Amy has been with me going on thirty years now...lol






Jim

We've had Goofy for the last 20 of his 33 years. He pretty much runs the house. It's his house, really. He's just kind enough to let us live here. We have another amazon I'm caring for until her human can get back on her feet and a third that a friend found and I'm caring for while we search for her humans. And they're all as stubborn as they get. Cute, but stubborn.

 

[texsize]

It sounds like Amy is channeling my Bella. She does most of the same things if she does not want to be picked up.

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[wrench13]

Wow Jim, is this all of a sudden behaviour? Amy seemed pretty easy to handle when Salty and I visited. For us, Salty gets to refuse most things if he so wants to, except "Up, Up". He can refuse his chop, or a trick, or even the whole training session, but he knows that when I ask him to step up, I will out stubborn him. I dont care if he slices my hand up to ribbons, he is stepping up. I think it was 'Boats who gave me the tip to surround his feet, and it kinda forces him to stand on my hand. Not that Salty has ever sliced my hand up - ever! Has Amy always been so reluctant to step up to the perch? I can remember you walking across the parking lot with Amy hanging from the perch/stick, but I dont recall any chasing around.

 

[SailBoat]

Wow Jim, is this all of a sudden behaviour? Amy seemed pretty easy to handle when Salty and I visited. For us, Salty gets to refuse most things if he so wants to, except "Up, Up". He can refuse his chop, or a trick, or even the whole training session, but he knows that when I ask him to step up, I will out stubborn him. I dont care if he slices my hand up to ribbons, he is stepping up. I think it was 'Boats who gave me the tip to surround his feet, and it kinda forces him to stand on my hand. Not that Salty has ever sliced my hand up - ever! Has Amy always been so reluctant to step up to the perch? I can remember you walking across the parking lot with Amy hanging from the perch/stick, but I dont recall any chasing around.

Per Al's question; is this something new?
Generally, once near any Parrot connects with the joy of being outside of the cage, they act like they cannot get out quick enough. With the length of your relationship with Amy, one would believe that same to be true.

Step-up is so important as it is the base for all other interactions. It is as near to a must do that there is! Emergencies always happen at the worst possible moment and you are faced with 'must move the Parrot,' now!

The Step-up tool that Al speaks of is used for non-flighted Parrots to limit choices other than to Step-up.

Are Amazon's Stubborn? No, but they are specific on what they want to do and what they do not and when! Why do your ask? Oh, yaaaa, Amy has clearly said No! Now comes the part of understanding why, or what has changed!

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Wow Jim, is this all of a sudden behaviour? Amy seemed pretty easy to handle when Salty and I visited. For us, Salty gets to refuse most things if he so wants to, except "Up, Up". He can refuse his chop, or a trick, or even the whole training session, but he knows that when I ask him to step up, I will out stubborn him. I dont care if he slices my hand up to ribbons, he is stepping up. I think it was 'Boats who gave me the tip to surround his feet, and it kinda forces him to stand on my hand. Not that Salty has ever sliced my hand up - ever! Has Amy always been so reluctant to step up to the perch? I can remember you walking across the parking lot with Amy hanging from the perch/stick, but I dont recall any chasing around.

Per Al's question; is this something new?
Generally, once near any Parrot connects with the joy of being outside of the cage, they act like they cannot get out quick enough. With the length of your relationship with Amy, one would believe that same to be true.

Step-up is so important as it is the base for all other interactions. It is as near to a must do that there is! Emergencies always happen at the worst possible moment and you are faced with 'must move the Parrot,' now!

The Step-up tool that Al speaks of is used for non-flighted Parrots to limit choices other than to Step-up.

Are Amazon's Stubborn? No, but they are specific on what they want to do and what they do not and when! Why do your ask? Oh, yaaaa, Amy has clearly said No! Now comes the part of understanding why, or what has changed!

Oh no nothing new...he has been doing this from day one. It is ONLY when first coming out of his house. All the other times he will step right up.


Jim

 

[SailBoat]

Amy is one smart Amazon! For near thirty years, Amy has required that you preform this dance before you are allowed to pick him up! Wow!

Amy Rules!

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Amy is one smart Amazon! For near thirty years, Amy has required that you preform this dance before you are allowed to pick him up! Wow!

Amy Rules!

LOL...yep Steven...has me trained pretty darn well now,doesn't he?? :52:
I'm almost positive it's "playtime" for him lol.




Jim

 

[Notdumasilook]

30 years indeed!
31 for my buddy Cookie. And yeah, there has been times when I wonder who is training who. Not sure Id define him as stubborn, but he has a one track mind that locks on to something with determination with a "do or die" attitude. Like clockwork...this morning he hopped on my shoulder...said Hey Buddy!.. then started beak banging the side of my head. This means he wants the TV on and me to turn on the parrot vids from Youtube.

 

[Cas27]

I just got a yellow naped he is 4 year old male he is the calmest of my flock I know he has too adjust but he steps up and talks like crazy. I just keep his cage open and he comes right out.

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Right..."determined" is a better word. Just read my post's on how "determined" Amy is about little Beebs house...







Jim

 

[MonicaMc]

If I was in that situation with one of my birds, I'd probably find it kind of hilarious!


I'd also try to figure out what their favorite treat is and go back to "step one" of rewarding desired behaviors, such as coming towards me, touching their foot on my hand, and even stepping up! Baby steps!

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

If I was in that situation with one of my birds, I'd probably find it kind of hilarious!


I'd also try to figure out what their favorite treat is and go back to "step one" of rewarding desired behaviors, such as coming towards me, touching their foot on my hand, and even stepping up! Baby steps!

I'd have to buy a chicken farm...Amy's favorite treat are chicken leg bones..



Jim

 

[Anita1250]

My Sammy is stubborn, but only to a point. Our command is "Come On". When I open the door and say it, he steps right up. Also, when he is on his playtop. However, if he sees the travel cage, all of that goes out the window, as he knows it is vet time. Then, I have to trick him. I will take out the travel cage three days early and set it up in a spare bedroom. This way I can get him easy. How does he know that?

 

[SailBoat]

My Sammy is stubborn, but only to a point. Our command is "Come On". When I open the door and say it, he steps right up. Also, when he is on his playtop. However, if he sees the travel cage, all of that goes out the window, as he knows it is vet time. Then, I have to trick him. I will take out the travel cage three days early and set it up in a spare bedroom. This way I can get him easy. How does he know that?

The fear of the Vet visit is well known. Consider having your Parrot travel more often with you! Our Amazon Loves To Travel! The presents of the Travel Carrier is seen as the announcement of his being in the SUV and he will fly to it, inspect it and stand in front of it as to say, Okay, I'm ready, let's go!

A Vet visit is less than 1/20 of the travel adventures he enjoys. At present, he is visiting his Vet every 60 days, so as you can see, he travels a lot.

Yes, as we drive into the Vet's Clinic, he is becomes well aware of where he is and stated clearly: NO, NO, NO!

 

[Notdumasilook]

O mercy.... yes the vet visit. About the only time Cookie will not cooperate. Just noting the level of smarts he has though, getting him in to leave the house is asking for a fight....rewards be damned... he gets extremely irate and the "dance of death" begins. Once finally in the carrier he tries to rip the bars off. Now at the vets its a different story. Once they are finished I simply tap the top of the carrier, tell him "lets go bye bye" and he hops right in like I trained him to do it. I of course beam proudly when I see the astonished looks....like this is how well I have taught my youngin ....

 

[Anita1250]

Unfortunately, most of our travels are done in an airplane. We do have a summer house, and he comes with us all of the time. He knows, however, which visit is the vet and which is the other house. I guess the suitcases are a tip off!

 

[BeatriceC]

Anita, take him with you random places. We take ours to the beach, park, etc. They actually get excited when they see the travel cages come out.