Rare Mixed Senegal Update

[Hawk]

Didn't anyone at the store take a picture of it that you could share?

I'm sure the vet did....But main staff didn't. There's a lot of strangeness involving all this, and I'm curious now.

No one is saying anything now, and that must be that there is an investigation going on to find the culprit whom stole the birds in the first place from U of M research facility.

Strange is all I can say right now....I'm sure when things quite down a bit
we'll be able to get more info.

 

[chris-md]

Nah don't delete it. There was a big question mark and people asked questions. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like flame wars were erupting. If you're going to censor on a forum (after 12 years participating on online forums I have developed my own feelings about this, which I'll sit on for the sake of brevity and harmony as I'm not about to stir the pot as a new participant here), there should be a dang good reason beyond people trying to guess at a mystery.

A noted member merely shared something he saw. Let's not impugne him with suspicions.

 

[Hawk]

Thanks for the update! I can't stop thinking about this bird.

You and me both.....and as others have said I'm sure someone (one of the staff, had taken pictures....but everyone is saying they didn't or didn't have
their camera...(horse crap !!) Someone took some pictures otherwise the research facility wouldn't have recognized the bird and alerted authorities.

Something isn't clicking and jiving here... why the hush hush???

 

[chris-md]

Thanks for the update! I can't stop thinking about this bird.

You and me both.....and as others have said I'm sure someone (one of the staff, had taken pictures....but everyone is saying they didn't or didn't have
their camera...(horse crap !!) Someone took some pictures otherwise the research facility wouldn't have recognized the bird and alerted authorities.

Something isn't clicking and jiving here... why the hush hush???

Forget the mystery bird. They got caught selling stolen birds (mere statement of fact, not judgement on if they knew what they were selling), the business now has egg on their face and are in damage control mode. I know I wouldn't want to talk about it if I was in their shoes.

 

[Hawk]

Weird that it had to happen right on the day you were to come into the store...:33::54: I second akrrm's post, certainly there is SOMEONE who works there who took a pic that they can forward to you?

Actually authorities and some research people took the bird Wednesday, a day before. Oh I agree. about the photo's... And someone did take photo's and forwarded them on because U of M and authorities wouldn't have found out then.

I asked one of the staff and said who ever took some photo's could I get a copy...but funny they seem to change the subject and ignore my request.
All records of the bird were taken by the research and authorities.

I'm sure when things quite down some, I may get some photo's to me..
right now there's a lot of poop hitting the fan around there. And everyone is a bit stressed out there.

 

[Allee]

Perhaps there was an article about the parrots being stolen from the university? Complete with photos of the missing birds?

 

[RavensGryf]

I'm curious what the name of this store is

 

[Hawk]

Thanks for the update! I can't stop thinking about this bird.

You and me both.....and as others have said I'm sure someone (one of the staff, had taken pictures....but everyone is saying they didn't or didn't have
their camera...(horse crap !!) Someone took some pictures otherwise the research facility wouldn't have recognized the bird and alerted authorities.

Something isn't clicking and jiving here... why the hush hush???

Forget the mystery bird. They got caught selling stolen birds (mere statement of fact, not judgement on if they knew what they were selling), the business now has egg on their face and are in damage control mode. I know I wouldn't want to talk about it if I was in their shoes.

Could be why I can't get a picture from anyone there. I don't have a camera on my phone...I usually take a digital camera with. Didn't have it on me. Now I get shot down on here for not having a photo, I merely shared what I saw and several others saw.

 

[Allee]

This thread has been very close to being deleted for most of the afternoon and evening. I think the moderators have been incredibly lenient, but our patience is wearing very thin.

Discussing politics is against forum rules and will not be allowed. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

 

[Hawk]

Y'know what? I think this thread (especially the original post) ought to be deleted and never referred to again. Aside from the arrant nonsense of speculating over an unusual-looking bird's genetics, now we're into conspiracy theories about alleged unholy research at a world-renowned research facility.

It is not profitable to write 'horror' stories about people in space suits and steel doors allowing others to believe that disgusting things are done to animals within. My sister used to work on a free-range chicken farm and she was required to wear a 'space suit' and enter through steel doors when working in the hatchery. IT'S TO KEEP DISEASES OUT so the animals within might be kept healthy. Additionally, I have worked in a University situation where live bacteria and viruses were used (NOT, I might add, to infect creatures, but for PhD and other higher-degree research so that we might know more of how these diseases are transmitted among humans). Just FYI, there are massively binding international treaties on the humane treatment of animals in labs and it is surprisingly difficult to get permission to do very much at all to 'higher' creatures (ie. birds and mammals) in a lab setting. People like Hawk who write highly suggestive text implying the unholiness of what might go on in research facilities do nothing for the animal rights cause! All they do is make the rest of us suspicious where no suspicion is warranted and this allows the real violations to go undiscovered.

I'd ask everyone to please think carefully before posting potentially misleading things like this in the future. It's not really informative to the group and is only noteworthy for a brief moment, however the repercussions can be very unfortunate.

(Waiting to hear from other mods about deleting the thread).

Hi Trish,
Be my guest in deleting the thread.....I merely posted about an unusual looking parrot many people were looking at that caught my attention as well. It's not non-sense mate, just because I don't own a fancy camera phone to have taken a picture. I didn't expect to come across it. Most of the time I'm running errands and decide to pop into the bird store along the way. So it was not my intention to have the thread run this deep.

It's been an informative thread (other thread) about genetics.

I don't write horror stories Trish, implying what may go on there. I don't know what goes on there. I have visited there before and respect their research. The bird however as well as a few others belonged to them.
It may be a new species for all we know. No one said they actually did something to the bird. The birds were stolen from the facility. And ended up months later at a bird store. Not unholy research. The bird may have been obtained by them from some unholy place.
This research facility will go to great lengths to get animals out of unnatural and unholy places with the help of animal rights an international treaties.

I'm only 25 minutes away from the research facility. I do know for a fact they do test animals. They took my dog and studied it's brain after it died of meningitis, And let me know how it died and why. But they don't abuse animals for study.

Good job on your Phd. My 9 years of college Must mean I'm talking non sense. Did they teach you people skills?

If you actually followed both threads, I never implied suggestive text, but
merely answered questions about the bird I seen that kept the thread going quite deep. And all I posted in beginning was I bought a new bird and seen one very unusual bird that was claimed to be mixed.

I just reported what I saw and heard...Heck don't blame me

 

[Hawk]

Perhaps there was an article about the parrots being stolen from the university? Complete with photos of the missing birds?

Yeah I thought about too, and have been searching news archives, but coming up empty handed. It's extremely baffling.

I'm about to give up on all this as it's giving me a head ache and there's those on here that want it deleted, perhaps read into it all wrong.

That's ok, I'm just a big parrot lover that seen a very very unusual bird
and was told it was a mixed. Seeing it ,I took them for their word and became quite curious. It wasn't my intentions to have this thread go on this far. I feel like I'm supposed to be some news reporter and get pictures and latest news on it. LOL.....

Really though I'm as curious as anyone else, but I have lot's to do around here and work as well to get involved in that mess over there at bird store.

 

[Hawk]

This thread has been very close to being deleted for most of the afternoon and evening. I think the moderators have been incredibly lenient, but our patience is wearing very thin.

Discussing politics is against forum rules and will not be allowed. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Yeah go ahead and delete it. It's giving me a head ache Now that the store and person that brought it in is investigated. I merely posted in beginning that I seen a very strange bird and was a cross they say. Seeing it I took their word as did many others that saw it. A lot of disappointed people and I'm one of them.

How it got into politics is beyond me.

 

[Allee]

Baffling is putting it rather mildly IMHO.

Trish has excellent people skills, if you've followed any of her threads or read any of her posts you would know that.

You, Kind Sir, opened this thread, you described this never before seen species of parrot, you can't be terribly surprised when we want photos, we are all bird lovers, you stirred our curiosity. I've read every post in this thread as have the other mods, I haven't seen any remarks that should make you feel uncomfortable under the circumstances. You, on the other hand have made a couple of comments, one to a member, and one to a mod, that I felt were completely undeserved and unnecessary.

 

[Betrisher]

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Allee.

Hawk, I'm sorry if you feel threatened by anything I have written but you continue to argue over this matter when it should be resolved by now. Either provide a photo so membership can share opinions and enjoy discussion on something real, or please give up insisting on a genetic impossibility until you can provide a detailed chromosome analysis that proves your point.

I don't mean to attack you even if you feel I am. I actively dislike disagreeing with anyone (as most members here will attest) but I have done enough study in genetics to know that what you suggest is virtually impossible. (I don't have a PhD, just an ordinary degree in Botany/Zoology)

As a moderator, I have a responsibility to point out we actively discourage members from denigrating businesses and organisations and encourage them instead to take up complaints and disagreements privately. This is obviously for legal reasons as well as being an effort to keep sordid mud-slinging to a minimum.

Here is what you wrote:

That research facility does some strange research there with animals. Back in late 80's, I had to drop off some medical equipment there. I seen people in practically space suits....and animals. ( I don't want to know). By the way, they have these steel doors there, that is like a super vault, with a warning on door. Bio-chemicals....Anthrax!!!! Holy crap. Yep, only place this side of the U.S. that has it in that grade I'm told. :11: It seems quite possible they were experimenting with genetics...How else do you get a cross like this???? Or it's a new species. I have a library of parrot books, Bird of prey books, every copy of bird talk ever put out, and still haven't come across anything like this parrot. This whole twist of things has me even more curious now as I wonder what the heck goes on at the research facility. They have an International team of Avian researchers and scientist there....Go figure.

Quite honestly, the school teacher in me could use this piece of writing to illustrate the beginning of a horror story. I'm not joking. I don't know what your intent was, but it reads as though you're trying to imply something unhealthy about a facility that would of course feature 'space suits', 'steel doors' and 'bio-chemicals'. Lots of places have those: hospitals, universities, even some schools where biology extension is offered. The language you used is not OK, but add in the emoticons and your writing borders on conspiracy theory. Just saying.

Again, I'm sorry if you feel threatened by me. It's not my intention.

 

[Allee]

This thread is now closed.