Quick someone help please bird won't go back in

[Doublete]

Remember to think in their terms. Not hours or seconds.... Days and months.
It may take a year.

If you aren't able to commit to being patient for that long then he may not be the right bird. But if you're stubborn like me don't give up so easily... Just keep plugging along and take it day by day.
Baby steps.

 

[rowdy]

Yeah, I understand that. I guess just looking at everyone else's mac and seeing how sweet and loving they are, i just expected rowdy to be exactly like them and that was WAY wrong of me. I called my mom in tears because i felt as if what went down was my fault, i called her say "mom i cant do this with him, i just cant, (ect)" she, my mom, a woman with NO bird experience whatsoever, who only help my cockatiel maybe 6 times, told me "you told me yourself, he's been cage bound for 24 years. did you really expect him to be that trusting with you? Just give him time, we can go talk to the peole at the parrot store later today for tips ect" But even my mom kept in mind about the cage bound part, i was stupid enough to forget that. She gave me the decision to either keep working with him and see how things go or to try and find him another home. She told me that i should just try to keep working with him and she thinks he'll get better (also, I just wanted to add this in, my mom told me she hated rowdy, yes she said hated. She hated him when he screamed, made a total mess, pooped on his new toys, tried to bite me through the bars. she hated his size, his beak, how he acted towards my dad, how he made tons of noise rattling the cage grate at night. but even she still wanted me to keep him. she could've said okay we'll find him another home tonight and we'll get you a smaller bird in a while. but she still had hope for me and him, if she believes in me and him then i for sure want to keep trying)

 

[Christinenc2000]

i just dont think he was the right choice for me. I want him to get better, i reakky do, but he's done the same thing both times

Hang in there. I have had BB it will be 1 year in Oct . It took me a lot of days just sitting and reading to him.

This past Sunday All he would say was Shut the BLEEP up. Now try that for 12 hours every time he looks at you . WHEW

Also the more frustrated I get the harder it is to deal with him. Just like a child they know when they have pushed that button. Leave the room and take a deep breath.

 

[Kyoto]

I have to towel Kyo to get her into her living room cage. I always treat her for it. I have managed to get her to go in it for a treat the last time I put her in there, and I think she actually enjoyed it because the birds were outside singing and she was watching them.

Just keep at it and don't get discouraged! She has forgiven me for many things (accidentally hurting her, or offending her in some way), I'm sure you'll get through it.

 

[Birdman666]

Sally was a four month project...

My Ruby macaw was an eight month project... headstrong, horribly manipulative, and a major league biter!

Maggie took four days...

Lila took zero days. Shoulder bird from the second I stepped her up...

IT TAKES WHAT IT TAKES. You have to get to know your bird. Your bird has to get to know you. And then you have to learn/teach the basics.

Once the boundaries are set with a macaw, they're pretty easy to deal with. Getting the initial training done, and setting those boundaries is the hard part.

THIS is the HARDEST PART right here.

You have to get through this part. And you CAN do it. Sarah was younger than you, when she did her first large macaw rehab...



Don't let yourself get discouraged.

He will also be easier to control once he is clipped.

Is there a rescue nearby that has bird handling classes, that can give you a hands on lesson on macaws?

 

[rowdy]

no, no rescue (ill double check where the florida parrot rescue is though). There is however a parrot store I can ask for help. they have a large cockatoo (shes the sweetest, loves to sit on your arm while you tell her how pretty she is)so idk if that would count for "large bird handling help" but ill try. im a leo so if anyone knows astrology, they know leo's are very stubborn, dont give up easily, and ALWAYS finish what they start. i don't care how long it takes, i will work through this with him. i am imaging working with a cage bound 24yr old bird is like climbing a mountain. It gets harder and harder and you just want to give up (aka this current part, setting boundaries, reestablishing rules, earning trust) but i know that "soon" (not sure how long soon is) i, no we, will reach the top of the mountain. we'll have a mutual respect and trust and we'll understand eachother. He'll learn my moods and i'll learn his. then it'll all be down hill. yeah there'll be some bumps on the way down (i.e. bad days) but we'll make it through all of this. i know we can

 

[Birdman666]

Sarah is home.

She said the only missed calls she had today were from a 210 number...

Give her a call and she'll pick up.

THESE PEOPLE CAN PROBABLY PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH SOMEONE IF YOU CALL AND EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM TO THEM:

http://floridaparrotrescue.com/

http://www.marsparrots.org/

http://flabirdsanctuary.com/TheBirdSanctuary/

http://bird.rescueshelter.com/Florida

When I taught macaw handling classes, it was "hands on"...

Theory is a bunch of hot air. Experience is the best teacher.

This person is close to you:

http://floridaparrotrescue.com/education/training-behavior-information/

OH MAN, I AM GLAD I FOUND THIS LAST LINK, THIS WOMAN IS A GOLD MINE OF INFORMATION...

 

[JerseyWendy]

okay i got him out and back in, he kept biting me through the towel (although he was completely still when i first layed the towel over him. Mark i just dont know if i can have a big bird, i cant go through this with him everytime i take him out

i just dont think he was the right choice for me. I want him to get better, i reakky do, but he's done the same thing both times

Pardon me...but PLEASE get a grip!

Things like that can and will happen. They're minor set-backs, if even that. Your bird KNOWS how insecure you are around him, and he is taking FULL advantage.

You must overcome your fear if you want this to work. Aren't there any bird clubs in your area, perhaps with folks who have big mac experience who can show you hands on on how to deal with your big mac? I bet he's just as afraid to come out of the cage as you are to have him out.

Do NOT let him get on top of his cage. No, I don't believe in height dominance, but big mac cages aren't the shortest of them all, and once he's up there, I know it takes a certain amount of acrobatics to get him back down.

Get him out on a perch/dowel/natural limb and move AWAY from the cage. If you don't have a playstand, I'm sure you have some sort of chairs you can put him on, no?

Once again, you MUST remain calm, that is the #1 rule. He will pick up on your emotions in a heartbeat.

 

[rowdy]

do they forgive fast? i just went in there to take a pic of his perch stand and he put the side of his head against the cage which is what he does when he wants me to pet his belly(closer to his neck). So i went over to pet me and he didn't move an inch. he let me pet him and i stood there for a good 10 mins petting him and he kept making these purring noises (posting pics of him out earlier, the perch stand, and me petting him)

 

[Birdman666]

Read that excitement thread again...

That GREENWING MACAW that hadn't been out of his cage in years?!

I had to chase him around his cage, chase him onto the floor, tackle him with a towel, and drag him kicking and screaming to a room away from his cage...

WITHIN FIFTEEN MINUTES THAT BIRD WAS LYING ON HIS BACK IN THE PALM OF MY HANDS AND GIVING ME KISSES, TRYING TO SLIP ME THE TONGUE...

(Don't try this at home. I am extremely experienced with aggressive birds, and know enough not to get my lips ripped off.)

I KEEP TELLING YOU, THIS ISN'T PERSONAL... YOU CAN'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

THIS BIRD IS CAGE BOUND, AND CAGE AGGRESSIVE, AND THE CAGE ITSELF IS THE TRIGGER...

That is why you always try to work with cage bound birds in a room away from the cage.

But until he's clipped, you won't be able to control him long enough to get him there from the sound of it, so grooming is Job No. 1...

 

[Birdman666]

As for trust issues: I'll give you the readers digest version.

In the wild, you would never in a million years get close enough to a wild macaw to touch it, much less ever pick one up, much less have it sit on your arm or shoulder, or put it's head upside down on your shoulder.

Why?! Because everything in the wild tries to eat them... including people.

A BIRD HAS TO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE CAN TRUST YOU WITH HIS LIFE, BEFORE HE WILL ALLOW THE TOUCHIE-FEELIE STUFF...

That isn't personal either. For the bird, it's a matter of life and death.

So, looking at it from the bird's perspective, "You seem like a very nice person and all, but excuse me, if I want to be absolutely sure first."

When you reach that level of bond...

THEN, you enter the "amazing zone."

 

[rowdy]

http://www.parrotforums.com/members/rowdy-albums-rowdy-picture15188t-20150821-155803.jpg
http://www.parrotforums.com/members/rowdy-albums-rowdy-picture15187t-20150821-130630.jpg
http://www.parrotforums.com/members/rowdy-albums-rowdy-picture15186t-20150821-155817.jpg
these are the pics. yeah, im gonna take him to get trimmed everywhere asap then start working with him again.

 

[Solo]

Don't get discouraged. Your mush Mac will happen, it will just take time. Think of it as trying to loose 50 pounds. It took time to gain that weight, and it will take time to loose it. It won't happen with 2 times of going to the gym(I really wish it did though!!). Even a baby Mac with no bad history won't be all sunshine and roses. Biting and tantrums are part of the territory, and something you need to get used to. I agree with the other posts. Rowdy is taking advantage of you 100%! Getting frustrated is stage one, total melt down stage 2, giving up stage 3. If you let him walk over you things will never get better. Maybe try getting a playstand for him? He sounds pretty attached to the cage.

 

[svheartsdesire]

Please use another nut...peanuts aren't good for Macaws

 

[rowdy]

I say peanuts but they're not actual peanuts. I give him a variety of almonds, Brazil nuts, and walnuts as treats. I have that small perch stand for him. When I take him to get grommet should I move the stand into my bathroom and when I get him home let him out in the bathroom, let him chill for a few mins and then work with him?