Ornithology: Share and discuss scientific articles on parrots!

[Noahs_Birds]

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I had a very in depth thought the other night on the Paradise Parrot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_parrot)
They went extinct 1927 (as believed), but a bloke had a pair in the 1980's by the name of Bill Howlett (The Avicultural Society of NSW (ASNSW) - Obiturary - Bill Howlett)
I personally believe that there might be a few individuals left in the wild which makes me think, what would happen if they were rediscovered like the Night Parrot?
Because of the lack of genetic material obviously, they would be inbred but I had an idea that could work breeding back some numbers
Say for example you end up with a pure pair, you breed from the pair and keep the Pure chicks. Then what you would do is cross them with their closest relative, the Golden Shouldered Parrots.
Do that same thing over a few different Golden Shouldered Blood lines, and then with the Hybrid young, breed them back to the Pure Parents or Pure young so that you would end up with birds having 33.3% Golden Shouldered Parrot genes, with 66.6% Paradise Parrot genes
Of course this would be a last resort for the species, and I understand people may have different ethics about this if the issue happened
I know its crazy, but its just a thought
Thanks
Noah Till

 

[Betrisher]

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Or, you could try cloning them?

 

[Noahs_Birds]

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Or, you could try cloning them?

But then again, cloning is not mastered yet, and has not even been trialed for birds at all
Thanks
Noah Till

 

[Rozalka]

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I had a very in depth thought the other night on the Paradise Parrot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_parrot)
They went extinct 1927 (as believed), but a bloke had a pair in the 1980's by the name of Bill Howlett (The Avicultural Society of NSW (ASNSW) - Obiturary - Bill Howlett)
I personally believe that there might be a few individuals left in the wild which makes me think, what would happen if they were rediscovered like the Night Parrot?
Because of the lack of genetic material obviously, they would be inbred but I had an idea that could work breeding back some numbers
Say for example you end up with a pure pair, you breed from the pair and keep the Pure chicks. Then what you would do is cross them with their closest relative, the Golden Shouldered Parrots.
Do that same thing over a few different Golden Shouldered Blood lines, and then with the Hybrid young, breed them back to the Pure Parents or Pure young so that you would end up with birds having 33.3% Golden Shouldered Parrot genes, with 66.6% Paradise Parrot genes
Of course this would be a last resort for the species, and I understand people may have different ethics about this if the issue happened
I know its crazy, but its just a thought
Thanks
Noah Till

I doubt it. When species is extinct in 99% IUCN classics them as critcary endengered. Paradise parrot is as extinct. There are two species of parrots which we say they are extinct but this isn't sure: New Caledian lorikeet and a macaw from genus anothorudus which I forgot English and latin name[emoji23] I think it was something on "g" but I'm not sure, they were simillar to hiacynth and Lear's macaws, last seen in 1960

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[Rozalka]

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I've checked, I meant glacous macaw (it's hard name to remember to me[emoji28])

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[Noahs_Birds]

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Don't forget about the old Night Parrot
People thought they were extinct for over 100 years, until they made a comeback and little pockets of them are being found through the desert
The Glaucous Macaw is an odd one
A British Macaw breeder by the name of Harry Sissen believed he had a pair of them, but I think they passed away a fair few years down the track without breeding
A couple of expeditions have proven to be successful with a few birds spotted and the locals pointing them in the right direction to find them, but people don't think much of them anymore and no more further expeditions have been put forward to find some
In regards to the Paradise Parrot, the author of the memorial for Bill Howlett is still alive, good old Graeme Phipps, he is a very respected person here in Australia's Avicultural community and I will ask him at some point about the breeder who had the birds in mind
There are reports of a few other breeders that had Paradise Parrots into the late 60's - 70's, but of course nothing much has come of them, probably because of their specialised conditions of only nesting in termite mounds, but if I had the chance I think I could breed them possibly
Its a big, wide world, and plenty of Aussie breeders have 'untolds' in their collections, far away from prying eyes and loose lips
Thanks
Noah Till

 

[Rozalka]

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But it was over 100 years ago, now everything is more and better described. Not for no reason new caledonian lorikeets and glocous macaws (on tapatalk I can't see previous post to check the correct name[emoji13]) are as critcally endengered instead of extinct

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[Scott]

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I'm starting this thread as place for us all to post sciencey stuff on parrots! Please share your links or articles.

This first link is to a study on parrot intelligence.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180703131208.htm

What do you think about... "psittalogy"? There exists science about all birds (ornithology), also breeding parrots has own name (psittaculture), why there isn't science about parrots?

Excellent point!!! I like it! Maybe we can get the mods to change the thread name?????? Mods can you???
Psittalogy
!

Thanks Laura for creating this thread and kudos to all who contribute!

I can easily amend the title, though Ornithology is the perfect prefix as "the scientific study of birds."

Perhaps something like Ornithology: Share and discuss scientific articles

Laura's idea, so she ought take the lead. Discuss and when there is reasonable consensus I'll change the title.

 

[Laurasea]

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Don't forget about the old Night Parrot
People thought they were extinct for over 100 years, until they made a comeback and little pockets of them are being found through the desert
The Glaucous Macaw is an odd one
A British Macaw breeder by the name of Harry Sissen believed he had a pair of them, but I think they passed away a fair few years down the track without breeding
A couple of expeditions have proven to be successful with a few birds spotted and the locals pointing them in the right direction to find them, but people don't think much of them anymore and no more further expeditions have been put forward to find some
In regards to the Paradise Parrot, the author of the memorial for Bill Howlett is still alive, good old Graeme Phipps, he is a very respected person here in Australia's Avicultural community and I will ask him at some point about the breeder who had the birds in mind
There are reports of a few other breeders that had Paradise Parrots into the late 60's - 70's, but of course nothing much has come of them, probably because of their specialised conditions of only nesting in termite mounds, but if I had the chance I think I could breed them possibly
Its a big, wide world, and plenty of Aussie breeders have 'untolds' in their collections, far away from prying eyes and loose lips
Thanks
Noah Till

I talked about the amazing night parrot earlier in the thread. Here is theink again
https://zoologica.wordpress.com/201...-ii-the-mysterious-night-parrot-of-australia/

 

[Laurasea]

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I'm starting this thread as place for us all to post sciencey stuff on parrots! Please share your links or articles.

This first link is to a study on parrot intelligence.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180703131208.htm

What do you think about... "psittalogy"? There exists science about all birds (ornithology), also breeding parrots has own name (psittaculture), why there isn't science about parrots?

Excellent point!!! I like it! Maybe we can get the mods to change the thread name?????? Mods can you???
Psittalogy
!

Thanks Laura for creating this thread and kudos to all who contribute!

I can easily amend the title, though Ornithology is the perfect prefix as "the scientific study of birds."

Perhaps something like Ornithology: Share and discuss scientific articles

Laura's idea, so she ought take the lead. Discuss and when there is reasonable consensus I'll change the title.

I like B, but maybe Ornithology: share and discuss scientific articles on parrots?

 

[Laurasea]

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Sick birds, as we are seeing so many possible sick birds on forum lately. As nice general article by a vet
https://www.littlecrittersvet.com/sick-birds.pml

 

[Scott]

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I'm starting this thread as place for us all to post sciencey stuff on parrots! Please share your links or articles.

This first link is to a study on parrot intelligence.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180703131208.htm

Excellent point!!! I like it! Maybe we can get the mods to change the thread name?????? Mods can you???
Psittalogy
!

Thanks Laura for creating this thread and kudos to all who contribute!

I can easily amend the title, though Ornithology is the perfect prefix as "the scientific study of birds."

Perhaps something like Ornithology: Share and discuss scientific articles

Laura's idea, so she ought take the lead. Discuss and when there is reasonable consensus I'll change the title.

I like B, but maybe Ornithology: share and discuss scientific articles on parrots?

I love it! Will change the title accordingly later today unless you suggest otherwise!!

 

[Laurasea]

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Change it!

 

[Aspie_Aviphile]

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Research starts to investigate why parrots waste food. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/02/science/why-parrots-waste-food.html

It sounds interesting but I don't have a subscription and can't read it

I can read without any subscribtion[emoji848]

It looks like the first NY Times article you view is given as a free sample. If you then try to read any others, you can't unless you fake different IP addresses between visits.

 

[Scott]

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Change it!

Ta-dah! Changed!!

Thread title officially Ornithology: Share and discuss scientific articles on parrots!

 

[Laurasea]

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Change it!

Ta-dah! Changed!!

Thread title officially Ornithology: Share and discuss scientific articles on parrots!

Thanks Scott! Looks great!!

 

[Laurasea]

Parrot behavior, a nice article, especially great if you are new to parrots. Covers a lot of ground from preening, screaming, biting, regurgitation, night frights, eye pining, tail wagging and tail flairing.
https://lafeber.com/pet-birds/bird-behavior/

 

[Laurasea]

Molting is a stressful time on a parrots body. Most of the articles I researched said to increase protein during this time. Feathers are 91% protein, 8% water, 1% fat. Unfortunately those articles had copy rights. Your birds feathers weigh more than their skeleton. So takes aot if calories to replace them. It's also a time that a poor diet will be more apparent, as will any underlying illness.
This a an article by a vet on molting
https://www.2ndchance.info/molt.htm

Another article stressing protein, and extra caloric needs during molt.
https://www.vetzone.com.au/Birds/Ar...380/Moulting-in-Caged-Birds.aspx#.XctGL8pOnqA

Nice article on feathers, stresbars ECT.
https://birdtricksstore.com/blogs/birdtricks-blog/what-feathers-tell-you-about-your-parrot-s-health

 

[Inger]

Not an article, and not about parrots per se, but I just watched a documentary on Netflix called Dancing with the Birds. The narration is a bit silly, but it’s about the mating dances of some really extraordinary and beautiful birds. Super interesting and I just couldn’t believe the crazy feathers and dances those guys do.


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[Laurasea]

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Sick birds, as we are seeing so many possible sick birds on forum lately. As nice general article by a vet
https://www.littlecrittersvet.com/sick-birds.pml

Adding an article
https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/common-conditions-of-birds