Non-stick pans

[PetoftheDay]

Are all non-stick pans bad to have around birds? I do not own anything teflon, I know that can cause problems. (I do not currently have a bird, but like to be safe just in case...) The local supermarket is giving away Cuisinart "Chef's Classic Stainless Cookware," and there are several non-stick skillets amongst the choices. (One redeems stickers that one gets with various purchases.)

It doesn't say they are Teflon, it does say they are "metal utensil safe" - does anyone know?

 

[RavensGryf]

I wouldn't use Teflon at all... BUT, My ex it was HIS house we lived in (we didn't buy it together) and he absolutely refused to get rid of his Teflon pots and pans. They were not new though. We actually used them a lot, and were careful not to overheat them. For years. It was fine. The danger is when it reaches over a certain degrees (as if you forgot and left the stove burner on), or if the PTFE coating is new. Because of these variables, the general rule is made simple in black and white "don't use Teflon with birds".

I'm not familiar with those Cuisinart pans you're talking about, but if they were Teflon I believe they'd have to say so on it.

 

[Kalidasa]

I recently bought the Ogreenic frying pan and love it. It's totally safe, cost about 10 bucks, and works way better than Teflon (which I haven't had in over a decade). You can find it at any store that sells "as seen on TV" products and online. It's PTFE and PFOE free.

 

[RavensGryf]

Have you ever used the ceramic ones? They're the ones which are all white inside. Wow! I LOVE them. Lightweight aluminum is easy to handle, as well as being even MORE non-stick than Teflon!

 

[Kalidasa]

Have you ever used the ceramic ones? They're the ones which are all white inside. Wow! I LOVE them. Lightweight aluminum is easy to handle, as well as being even MORE non-stick than Teflon!

Yup, the Ogreenic is ceramic. Stuff just slides right off the trick is to prepare the pan...lightly coat the inside in vegetable oil, and bake the pan in the oven at 300 F*. The ceramic absorbs the oil and makes it super non-stick. Which brand of ceramic do you use? I'm looking to expand....cleanup is so much easier after using ceramic than stainless steel. So tell me everything you have!!!

 

[weco]

Teflon, in cookware is on the way out & unless the package says Teflon, PTFE or PFOA.....Teflon is DuPont's trade name, but since DuPont licensed the chemicals & process, there are some 30 other brand names to worry about, but if you look for PTFE or PFOA, those are the potentially toxic chemicals.

Teflon and its offspring will be off the consumer cookware market next year.....I bought several of the ceramic coated pans and, so far am happy with them, though you have to be careful not to scratch them also.....

Stainless steel cookware is safe, because it doesn't have any special coatings on it.....

 

[RavensGryf]

Yup, the Ogreenic is ceramic. Stuff just slides right off the trick is to prepare the pan...lightly coat the inside in vegetable oil, and bake the pan in the oven at 300 F*. The ceramic absorbs the oil and makes it super non-stick. Which brand of ceramic do you use? I'm looking to expand....cleanup is so much easier after using ceramic than stainless steel. So tell me everything you have!!!

The ones we have you don't even have to coat it stuff just slides right off anyway! They're super cheapy generic. Not a word printed on the pan anywhere!!
I don't do a ton of cooking on the stove anymore, so I'm not the right person to ask. I'm sure MANY others here will chime in though.

 

[Kiwibird]

I LOVE vintage enamelware! Now they call it "ceramic coated" and often add titles like "eco" and "green" to it but it's been around since the early 1900's (long before teflon was around!). Mine is all vintage, but I've been thinking of getting a set of new "ceramic" cookware for daily use before I totally ruin my vintage stuff with daily use. I also use a set of plain jane farberware stainless steel frying pans (never have any issues with those) and an enameled cast iron saucier and griddle (kind of non-essential, but I love the griddle for making eggs and the saucier for making soup!).

I've been looking at 2 sets and tossing around the idea for a while:

Farberware new traditions cookware:
12 Piece Cookware Set Lavender | eBay

And Pensofal Bio-ceramix:
Pensofal Princess Passion Bio Ceramix Nonstick 12 Piece Cookware Set | eBay

The Pensofal has a lot more "additional" pieces, in case you need specialty pans, whereas the Farberware has no matching pans (you'd have to buy their stainless or another brand that does't match). If I did get one, I'm really leaning towards the Farberware. Just personal preference on the handles, I really don't like the plump ones on the Pensofal

 

[Kiwibird]

Teflon and its offspring will be off the consumer cookware market next year.....

Is this like a law that passed or just lack of consumer demand or what? Curious minds want to know (I know there a lot of controversy in general over teflon's safety for humans)

 

[weco]

Teflon and its offspring will be off the consumer cookware market next year.....

Is this like a law that passed or just lack of consumer demand or what? Curious minds want to know (I know there a lot of controversy in general over teflon's safety for humans)

DuPont paid over $16 million in fines and agreed, about 10 years ago, to have it off the consumer market by 2015 (might have been during 2015), anyway, it will be gone, except in the industrial market.....supposedly they've found a different way to make it without the perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA).....

Curious minds are fine, but the curiosity about some of these things about some of these things should have started back in the 40s & 50s when all these chemicals started making big $$$ for their inventing companies.....back in 2004 or 2005, a reporter determined that "Several thousand man-made chemicals have been produced in recent decades, and subjecting each one to extensive safety tests is impossible. Peter Montague, editor of Rachel's Health and Environment Weekly, notes that even if 1 000 of these chemicals were properly tested, it would be impossible to test the 'cocktail effects' of mixing them up with each other. 'There are 41 billion possible combinations of 1,000 chemicals taken in groups of four. So even if we could test a million combinations a year, which we can't, it would take 41,000 years to complete such a battery of tests," Daily News and Independent.

 

[Kiwibird]

That is why I avoid any chemicals and artificial xyz as possible (which is unfortunately very difficult to do in this day and age). Once I became "aware" of all the potential safety issues, I can't bring myself to buy and try these things. And the bulk bins and produce section at the health food store are where I do most of my shopping now too. Even some of the "all natural" and "organic" foods have questionable ingredients. Everything seems to be laced with artificial BS.

I do wonder if parrot owners, who by necessity, have avoided many of these teflons and scented candles and cleaning chemicals are measurably healthier than the rest of the population?

 

[Hawk24]

Has anyone seen the stone dine cookware? I am pretty sure they are ceramic. Are these any good?

 

[weco]

If you're in Australia Hawk, there are a whole lot of disgruntled people down your way...pans that flake off surface coating, lose luster, can't clean and apparently the company double bills.....you might want to read their reviews...since I wasn't doing anything at the moment, here's a few links for your afternoon reading pleasure, and evening, and probably tomorrow morning's too, cause some of these links have pages and pages of reading material.....oh and don't worry about the Stone Line name, they're the same pans as Stone Dine, Stoneline or Stonedine.....just a little brand name diversification to get more advertising:

StoneDine - Poor Quality/Craftsmanship, Review 489673 | Complaints Board - Page 6
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Stoneline-WX-9176-2-Piece-Fry-Pan/product-reviews/B003K1B5FK"]Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Stoneline WX-9176 2-Piece Fry Pan Set[/ame]

or you could read an Amazon advertising/hype site: Stonedine cookware review

StoneDine Review

Then there are reviews that are, well, let's say, unique: Stonedine Reviews Cookware | Home

And the Better Business Bureau can't get the company to answer them: Consumer complaints for StoneDine Cookware - Central California BBB

Another consumer organization has to say: Complaints for StoneDine Cookware | 100094485 | Business Consumer Alliance

Stonedine Cookware Featured Review by CherryssBerryss ? Viewpoints.com
Stonedine VS Flavorstone Cookware | Comfort at Home
Don't Buy Stoneline Cookware Until You Read This!: Don't Buy Stoneline Cookware Until You Read This!
Stoneline Cookware Reviews - ProductReview.com.au
Stoneline Pans product reviews : Independent product reviews : :


That should be enough to keep you occupied for a while, but if you'd like me to dig up some more reading material for you, just let me know, this pots & pans research is almost as fun as watching paint dry.....at least I haven't been making any tongue-in-cheek-commentary or razzing our trusty, dusty Super moderators, in fact, let's give our moderators a big round of applause.....they deserve it.....

 

[Kiwibird]

Interesting on those stone pans. I guess there are just some poorly made products out there (though I imagine it being quite difficult to screw up so royally on a set of pots and pans, did they not test them before putting them out on the market?)!

I'm holding off on buying my new pans (farberware or pensofal) until some reviews are written on them! So far I've found very few, not enough to really decide. I'd prefer someone else deal with the hassle if they are of poor quality than me:54: It's not like mine don't work!

P.S. I almost spit my coffee when I read this

at least I haven't been making any tongue-in-cheek-commentary or razzing our trusty, dusty Super moderators, in fact, let's give our moderators a big round of applause.....they deserve it.....

 

[weco]

P.S. I almost spit my coffee when I read this

at least I haven't been making any tongue-in-cheek-commentary or razzing our trusty, dusty Super moderators, in fact, let's give our moderators a big round of applause.....they deserve it.....

Hmm, Wendy had a similar experience a couple of years back, though I think she enjoyed to full episode.....oh, that's Wendy, up there in New Jersey, wouldn't want to confuse her with another Wendy ! ! !

 

[PetoftheDay]

The pans they are giving away mention a titanium coating ... anyone heard of that? I know it is a metal. and used it oil paint , "Titanium White" comes to mind ...

 

[weco]

Everything seems to be laced with artificial BS.

I do wonder if parrot owners, who by necessity, have avoided many of these teflons and scented candles and cleaning chemicals are measurably healthier than the rest of the population?

I don't know about the healthier part, but I don't recall ever having seen any artificial BS, everything I've ever encountered has been the real thing...warm, pudding like & squishy between the toes...was always fun walking through the patties as a kid.....one summer my brother & I spent the weekend at my uncle's
& would help him do the 4am milking, when one morning my brother was walking behind several of the cows, getting ready to release them when one coughed & let fly at the same time.....the impact pressure of those type projectiles is quite extraordinary...it knocked him off the walkway & into the trough.....

 

[thekarens]

I would bet if we did a test parrot owners are as unhealthy as the rest of the population. Just because you feed healthy foods to your birds doesn't mean you eat them yourself.

 

[weco]

The pans they are giving away mention a titanium coating ... anyone heard of that? I know it is a metal. and used it oil paint , "Titanium White" comes to mind ...

The titanium coating is a very hard metal they coat some pans with, while the titanium white is the white colorant used in some paints.....not exactly the same stuff.....on pans, it's often a sales gimmick, while in paint, it does make the white white ! ! !

 

[Kiwibird]

I don't know about the healthier part, but I don't recall ever having seen any artificial BS, everything I've ever encountered has been the real thing...warm, pudding like & squishy between the toes...was always fun walking through the patties as a kid.....one summer my brother & I spent the weekend at my uncle's
& would help him do the 4am milking, when one morning my brother was walking behind several of the cows, getting ready to release them when one coughed & let fly at the same time.....the impact pressure of those type projectiles is quite extraordinary...it knocked him off the walkway & into the trough.....

Well....I wasn't referring to it in the LITERAL sense lololol:54: Though the "natural" kind from a cow is probably safer than all these chemicals they're doing their best to poison the population with:31:

I would bet if we did a test parrot owners are as unhealthy as the rest of the population. Just because you feed healthy foods to your birds doesn't mean you eat them yourself.

Very true for some people (I guess we eat healthy by choice, but it's not necessarily because we have a bird). What I was more referring to is the fact people who have parrots don't (or certainly shouldn't) be using air fresheners, candles, harsh disinfectants/cleaning chemicals everywhere, nor do they use teflon. Many run air purifiers. One would *think* parrot owners have a better air quality in their homes (and breathing in chemicals all the time does affect health, probably every bit as much as much as diet can).