Mutation question

[Talven]

So I have 3 related young budgies. 2 are more than likely creamino's as they are a lovely pale yellow with red eyes. The 3 bird I thought was mostly white with the odd patch of blue and a few black markings. So most likely some pied variant. Now that he is outside in the aviary it turns out he is not white at all but the same lovely pale yellow that the creaminos are. He has black eyes not red so not sure where that leaves me. Creaminos are connected with the yellow face mutation I think so would he then be a pied yellowface? I will try for pictures but the birds are not the most trusting as yet.

 

[EllenD]

If you post photos we can help you, but honestly there are many different Budgie Mutations/Colors that go beyond just the Inos (if you really want to get right down to the exact mutations), some of which you can't determine visually and that you must know the genetics of their parents to positively say they are in-fact that color/mutation...

****This is the absolute best website for determining exact Budgie colors/mutations that I've ever seen; it has a separate page for each and every possible mutation/color, with photos of EVERY SINGLE Mutation/Color. So The best thing you can do is to go through this website yourself step-by-step and you'll be able to tell the mutation/color of any Budgie exactly. ***For whatever reason the buttons towards the top of the first page that are supposed to take you to the page of each, individual mutation/color do not work they just take you to broken-links and dead pages. However, if you go the entire way down to the bottom of each mutation/color page, there will be a large button that takes you to the "next" mutation/color page in the order that they are listed at the top in the buttons that don't work. So the first page is the basic colors page, and then if you go to the very bottom of that page there is a link to the "next" mutation/color page, which happens to be the Inos page...And then on the Inos page if you go to the bottom there is a button that takes you to the next mutation/color listed, and so forth. So all of those individual buttons for each color/mutation that exists for Budgies at the top of the first page do in-fact have entire pages that exist, they just failed to link the those first buttons that are like a "table of contents" for the entire website to the individual-pages they represent. But those individual pages do all exist, and they are fantastic in both detail and explanation of each and every possible Budgie color/mutation.

https://www.cutelittlebirdiesaviary.com/budgie-mutation-and-color-guide.html

 

[Talven]

Thanks Ellen much appreciated. Not having any luck whatsoever with pictures so it's probably my only way to work it out.

 

[EllenD]

To post a photo here in a reply message, just put the cursor where you want to insert the photo into the message, then click the little "photo" button in the toolbar that is a yellow square with a picture of a landscape in it (it's next to the button for attachments that is a blue earth)...Then a page will pop up for you to upload the photo from your device, just click "Browse", find the photo on your device, then click on it/it's file and click open, and then click upload...once it uploads then go to the bottom of the upload page and click on "close this page", and it will take you back to your message, and just click "post message". The photo should appear where the cursor was when you uploaded it...

 

[Talven]

The problem is the camera on my phone. It is one of these fancy AI assisted ones. The three birds I would like to get help with are very pale yellow and the camera adjusts the colours making them white. I tried getting a picture next to a bird with white but it made the white bird luminously white and still washed out the yellow. So no useful pictures.

Two of the birds are obviously creamino. Red eyed with light patchy yellow similar to my creamino IRN. The third has the same patchy pale yellow but is pied with black eyes. So I think pied single factor yellow face I. The site you put the link up for has been a huge help with ID.