*must vent* hate the hormones!!!

got the cage sorted.








mesh at the bottom is plastic hardware cloth. she needs a grate, the deep bottom gets turned into a nest.
 
well an update:

munch has settled in well in the cage, she's running around and foraging and beating up her toys this morning. i'm hoping this threw her off enough :)
 
well an update:

munch has settled in well in the cage, she's running around and foraging and beating up her toys this morning. i'm hoping this threw her off enough :)

Glad to hear she's doing well today. You seem to be doing everything possible to adjust her hormones but I don't think I read anything about YOUR interactions with her.

Petting in certain areas can cause birds to become more sexually stimulated and that could be causing her to lay. The rule of thumb during breeding season is to just stick to stroking the head. Back, tail, under wings, etc. Can all be sexually stimulating. So best to just leave the petting to the head area (if you're not doing that already!)

If you really are out of options you CAN get contraceptive implants for parrots and even hysterectomies!

I'd normally just say let her lay, but if she's laying a frighteningly large amount of eggs, then yes, make sure you're not touching her in a stimulating way and maybe consider speaking to your avian vet about a hormonal implant that will stop her laying :). It's a tiny rice sized thing placed under the skin that stops her having the usual hormones that make her want to lay.

Let us know how she gets on :)
 
My female lovebird, Lucky, is obsessed with nesting. These days, there seems to be nothing else to her personality. She constantly tries to get out of her cage, and into an enclosed area behind the television. She will bite anything that gets near her. She throws tantrums all the time: turning over food bowls, throwing toys in her food and water, banging toys on the floor of her cage. There is no playfulness, or affection, about her anymore. I find myself trying to avoid her. I don't even want to change her food and water.
 
i only pet her head when she asks. she wont tolerate elsewhere lol and even then, she tries to feed my hand after so i stop petting her after she does that.



the clutches havent been large, the first all broke so she kept laying to replace them. that was a total of 6 before she stopped for a week. then she laid again, first 3 broke and the last 4 were good. she sat on the last 4 for over 30 days. she had cracked them and they went bad so we removed them, and now a week later she is trying again. seems her preferred number is 4 to sit on. problem is, she really likes laying them off perches unless she has a nest.

so it's not really a monster amount like some birds, i am just hoping it stops. but i think she's going for round 3. unless, this is just a true double clutch since the very first clutch actually broke.... we shall see.

she only recently started letting us pet her, and ironically, its only been when she is hormonal. she steps up only out of the cage, and she looooooves talking to us. we "argue" with her, but she always gets the last word lol. shes very interactive, just independent at the same time.



she was handraised from day 1 but not socialized. it made a difficult mix. a bird who was not taught how to step up, or how to interact positively with humans, but was not afraid of humans. we tamed her. now, she hangs out with us, she interacts all the time with us, and she is a joyful happy little bird with a very strong beak lol she took a year and a half to learn to step up consistently. and only now, at 2 years old, in the last few months has she actually ASKED us to pet her. we could pet her occasionally before, but she had never put her head down for us to pet her. so it's major progress. but its all on her terms. she doesnt tolerate anywhere else touched but her head, and she even sat in my hand and let me get her pin feathers a few weeks ago.

some days her cage aggression and hormones are just too much for me and i just step back and ask my husband to put her food and water inside her cage, since her bites dont bother him (he has thicker skin than i do). he lets her out and puts her back. she has gotten better some days with the cage aggression, but when she has her "nest" (cage corner, whatever she chose at the time, etc) all gloves are off and you better move fast before she goes in for the kill.




i think what my main points are here... sometimes i get frustrated with the hormones. mostly because i worry and fuss too much about her.



i am extremely leery on hormonal treatments like lupron and implants. i dont trust them well enough, as i personally have had problems with nearly every hormone treatment there is. to me, it's just too risky. this implant is way too new in the bird world, and implants in people cause problems too. i just don't trust it.


a thought, this article says afternoon fasting as a hormone deterrent for some species...

HORMONES: The Downside of the Good Life - Phoenix Landing Blog ? Phoenix Landing Blog

thoughts?
 
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