Just wondering, why are you against DNA sexing? All they do is take a drop of blood from a clipped toe nail and tell you for sure what sex the bird is, and its cheap now compared to years ago. I understand not really caring the gender - Ive had tbe opportunity to have Loco sexed when blood was drawn, but it really didnt matter much to me plus the bill was already up so another $50 didnt really work for me. It is important to know so you are prepared for egg laying and any precautions for adverse events, but it isnt something that would change my relationship and love for Loco if he wasnt a boy. Years ago they had to surgically sex birds to tell, so its really great that all they need to do is take a little drop of blood almost like a finger prick at the doctors for certain tests.