Is he sick?

[noodles123]

See, NORMALLY they do lay a clutch, and based on the weight. I would bank on there being more in there. There is a small possibility that your bird gained weight and that this is a one and done but I doubt that very much. The only reason I mention is that Noodles has laid 1 egg only on a few occasions (which is fairly odd....) I think that in your case, the odds of there being only one are quite low.


If you don't have the next egg soon, you will just have to take her in because you need to know whether there are other eggs in there.

 

[nicolee0085]

See, NORMALLY they do lay a clutch, and based on the weight. I would bank on there being more in there. There is a small possibility that your bird gained weight and that this is a one and done but I doubt that very much. The only reason I mention is that Noodles has laid 1 egg only on a few occasions (which is fairly odd....) I think that in your case, the odds of there being only one are quite low.


If you don't have the next egg soon, you will just have to take her in because you need to know whether there are other eggs in there.

She just had it! My fake eggs came today too. Do I put all 4 in there or just 2 to replace the ones she had?

 

[noodles123]

Just replace the ones she had when she isn't looking. Do they look like a good match? I would guess she probably has one more to go after this, but could be wrong.

 

[nicolee0085]

Just replace the ones she had when she isn't looking. Do they look like a good match? I would guess she probably has one more to go after this, but could be wrong.

They look like a perfect match. She also laid the second one in the sleep cage away from the first one. Last night she was playing with the first one and rolling it around in there like she does with one of her toy balls lol

 

[noodles123]

Just replace the ones she had when she isn't looking. Do they look like a good match? I would guess she probably has one more to go after this, but could be wrong.

They look like a perfect match. She also laid the second one in the sleep cage away from the first one. Last night she was playing with the first one and rolling it around in there like she does with one of her toy balls lol

Glad they matched well!!! Mine plays with hers too - but I would still consider that a sign of interest (mine is like the world's worst mom lol!!!) Sounds like yours has similarly confused parenting skills. It doesn't hurt to leave them in once they are dummies. Remove them once she isn't messing with them for a few days. Note their location at night too.

 

[noodles123]

Laurasea generally believes people should remove the eggs if there is they re not sitting. I have had a hard time telling with my bird (who never sat, but WAS interested), but for some, it will be different. I am not saying yours is like mine for sure, but it can be hard to tell (as we went 6 years post sexual maturity with no eggs at all). In Laura's case, she had luck both times removing eggs when the bird didn't sit. I did not have that experience and found that leaving one curtailed some of this behavior. That having been said, we are both right for our situations, so you will have to make the call based on your gut.

 

[Laurasea]

The eggs being so far apart. She is still making them. So its not that this latest egg was inside her formed, she formed it, as is still being triggered. Im trying to read up and understand egg production. I haven't found the information im seeking yet on this.

But I would be trying to through her out of breeding now that that eggs have come and aren't stuck. So I would move her cage. I moved my girls cage. After she laid. And rearrange it. She seems to have stopped being hormonal.....so?...im thinking it worked

 

[noodles123]

The follicles/ yolks were likely actively producing/already forming-- hence the massive weight gain. If it had just been one egg, that massive weight jump wouldn't be there (it would have also gone back to normal after that first egg). However, weight remained elevated, and we know that the shell is the last to form. Before egg 1 cam out, there was still a massive weight gain and even in the absence of the first egg ,weight very high when compared to baseline (implying that they were there, but that the shells just hadn't formed).

 

[Laurasea]

Right. But they will re absorb the yolk and not form the egg. So if stressed or triggers removed they can stop.

That egg article covers some of that. That's why you can double clutch, the ovary is stay active in the egg yolk phase. But yiu can try and throw them out out of that. Then they re absorb the egg.

I'm still looking for better info

Tadah gained wright soooo much that she was in reproduction, enlarge ovary e t.. ( working theory with vet) I moved her cage and changed everything, before she started laying eggs. As I knew was best bet to stop the cycle

 

[noodles123]

Right. But they will re absorb the yolk and not form the egg. So if stressed or triggers removed they can stop.

That egg article covers some of that. That's why you can double clutch, the ovary is stay active in the egg yolk phase. But yiu can try and throw them out out of that. Then they re absorb the egg.

I'm still looking fir better info

Tadah gained wright soooo much that she was in reproduction, enlarge ovary e t.. ( working theory with vet) I moved her cage and changed everything, before she started laying eggs. As I knew was best bet to stop the cyckr

I wondered about this too, but again, when I removed mine too "early" I ended up with more than when I did not. I get what you mean though, for sure. Keep me posted on what you find-- all I know is that via experimentation, I arrived where I am. The weight gain for Noodles was always equal to the one egg she passed.

Here is a quote from a veterinary website:
"Once the eggs of a clutch are all laid and exchanged for fake or sterilized eggs, leave them with the birds, regardless if they are nesting them or not, for approximately 3 weeks. Then, remove them one at a time every other day until they are gone. This will hopefully give the female the time she needs to understand that those eggs are not viable and will not hatch. In most cases the birds will abandon the eggs after a period of time." <-- https://avianandexoticvets.com/what-do-i-do-my-bird-laid-an-egg-what-do-i-do


Also, from what I have read, they often do not start sitting until the full clutch is laid, so judging based on interest may be counter-productive too early.

 

[Laurasea]

yes you are correct, they often don't sit till second or 3rd egg.

Also some bird species are obligate to lay a set number of eggs, other species determine through many factors like food availability how many to lay, a d if a predator destroyed the eggs they will re clutch or double clutch. So their follicles stay active..


There is much to learn , even for scientists.

For me, if noodles was my girl , I would stop covering her. Too see if that helped, because
yiu are already so careful with everything else. She is definitely a more notoriously difficult species. You have my sympathy..

 

[nicolee0085]

Thank you everyone! She finally sat on the two eggs for like 2 seconds then she started rubbing her butt on them and making her horny noises Also I can tell she has another egg in her so I'm thinking it will come out today or tomorrow.