Hyacinth breeding pair for sale

[SilleIN]

I live in Denmark and work with a zoo here.

Until a month ago, there was only one breeding pair of hyacinth macaws in Danish zoos. Unfortunately the only breeding pair got stolen a month ago

I am therefore seeking a breeding pair of hyacinth macaws basically worldwide for a Danish zoo.

Since they are for a zoo, they will be on display for the public and will enter into a breeding programme.

There are therefore these minimum requirements;
Both birds needs to be fully feathered and be structurally intact (no broken wings or toes)
They have to be unrelated
If they have mated, they need to have been able to rear their young themselves.
If they have not yet raised chicks, they have to be parentreared.

If you have any contacts to anybody, who would have a breeding pair, they are willing to sell, I would be very interested. Further details about the zoo can be given in private communication.

 

[SailBoat]

There is an international Parrot Trader in the New York area that ships and received internationally. As I recall, they also deal with Mating Pairs.

It would likely be better to deal directly with them. No, I do not have their Name, but I believe it was Wrench13 that provided their name in another Thread.

In my ever thinner knowledge of the rapidly changing business of international trade of exotic Parrots. The Danish Zoo will need to work with such an organization to assure that all the paperwork is completed correctly and the medical examinations /tests are completed by a Certified Avian Vet.

Pulling from a private individual or a small Breeder may complicate matters as the Import /Exporter will need detailed information that they may not have.

Please do not let this hold anyone back from passing on sourcing information as any information on a proven pair will likely be helpful!

I hope this helped!

 

[SilleIN]

There is an international Parrot Trader in the New York area that ships and received internationally. As I recall, they also deal with Mating Pairs.

It would likely be better to deal directly with them. No, I do not have their Name, but I believe it was Wrench13 that provided their name in another Thread.

In my ever thinner knowledge of the rapidly changing business of international trade of exotic Parrots. The Danish Zoo will need to work with such an organization to assure that all the paperwork is completed correctly and the medical examinations /tests are completed by a Certified Avian Vet.

Pulling from a private individual or a small Breeder may complicate matters as the Import /Exporter will need detailed information that they may not have.

Please do not let this hold anyone back from passing on sourcing information as any information on a proven pair will likely be helpful!

I hope this helped!

The director of the zoo has contacts in the US to help with the paperwork, but thanks for mentioning it :emoticonc

We have had contact to several breeders, but none have panned out yet, so I thought to try a different method to find breeders, who are willing to part with a breeding pair

 

[SilverSage]

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the world of Aviculture, but finding someone willing to part with a producing pair of hys is pretty much unheard of. I suggest you revise your search to something more realistic and start searching for individual birds.


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[SilleIN]

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the world of Aviculture, but finding someone willing to part with a producing pair of hys is pretty much unheard of. I suggest you revise your search to something more realistic and start searching for individual birds.


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Breeding pairs are sold from time to time. I know posting here is a long shot, but "you miss 100% the shots not taken"

We are in contact with several international bird dealers, but they want commission. If I could find a breeder, who is planning to downsize, the zoo would safe a bunch in fees.

As this is a breed, that is not that many of and who are difficult to pair, the zoo is not interested in getting individuals and risking, they don't like each other. They would rather wait, than get the wrong birds.

 

[SilverSage]

You are correct that occasionally pairs are for sale. However as a breeder myself I can tell you, when you downsize you get ride of the LEAST profitable birds, not the most profitable. A breeding pair of hys being sold is probably only being sold because they aren't producing anymore. If they were, they would likely be sold to a trusted friend or colleague.

Also, parrots come in species, not breeds.




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[SilverSage]

Also, I have to be honest; your story seems pretty fishy to me.

zoo breeding programs usually tend toward conservation efforts. Conservation programs focus on genetic diversity, health, etc. I can't imagine a decent conservation program turning down ANY individuals who might make viable breeders. All this emphasis on convenience and cost sounds much more like a for-profit breeding operation.

two parrots of any kind being stolen from a zoo would be big news in the global avian community, much less such an endangered species, and especially if your claim is true that this was the ONLY pair in the zoos of Denmark. A month is a long time; yet a google search reveals no drama over this. The entire world knew when Presley the Spix macaw died; yet supposedly these two disappeared without so much as a Facebook click-bait story? Oh but wait, there IS a story about this... from 9 years ago...

In addition, zoos have ways of acquiring birds. If such a travesty had occurred, they would reach out to OTHER ZOOS and conservation programs in a coordinated effort to put together the best pair possible to contribute to the genetic stability of the species. It isn't hard to pair birds when you get them young and know what you are doing, which a zoo with a breeding program for a highly endangered species SHOULD.

Yet you are insisting they just want a random pair as long as they are bonded? Whaaaaaat? With no knowledge of their genetic background? I'm a "for profit" breeder and I wouldn't even do that with a pair of blue and gold macaws, since I know the chances are high that they are related. This is even more probable with such a rare species.

Also with a parrot theft of that magnitude the European Aviculture community would be in an uproar. Those of us involved in the global community, specifically breeding programs, would have heard about it right away. I'm in dozens of world wide groups of breeders and there has been NOT A WHISPER of this.

Edit:
It could be that there is some sort of miscommunication on some level here, it's just that these facts don't seem to add up.


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[SailBoat]

D,

I think she is a volunteer with the Zoo and trying to help them. Experiences to date have been positive and I believe that to be possible this time also.

You are correct that there should be all kinds of noise about that kind of an event, as are your other determinations.

Steven,

 

[SilverSage]

I would be happy to be wrong in this case.


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[SilleIN]

Also, I have to be honest; your story seems pretty fishy to me.

zoo breeding programs usually tend toward conservation efforts. Conservation programs focus on genetic diversity, health, etc. I can't imagine a decent conservation program turning down ANY individuals who might make viable breeders. All this emphasis on convenience and cost sounds much more like a for-profit breeding operation.

two parrots of any kind being stolen from a zoo would be big news in the global avian community, much less such an endangered species, and especially if your claim is true that this was the ONLY pair in the zoos of Denmark. A month is a long time; yet a google search reveals no drama over this. The entire world knew when Presley the Spix macaw died; yet supposedly these two disappeared without so much as a Facebook click-bait story? Oh but wait, there IS a story about this... from 9 years ago...

In addition, zoos have ways of acquiring birds. If such a travesty had occurred, they would reach out to OTHER ZOOS and conservation programs in a coordinated effort to put together the best pair possible to contribute to the genetic stability of the species. It isn't hard to pair birds when you get them young and know what you are doing, which a zoo with a breeding program for a highly endangered species SHOULD.

Yet you are insisting they just want a random pair as long as they are bonded? Whaaaaaat? With no knowledge of their genetic background? I'm a "for profit" breeder and I wouldn't even do that with a pair of blue and gold macaws, since I know the chances are high that they are related. This is even more probable with such a rare species.

Also with a parrot theft of that magnitude the European Aviculture community would be in an uproar. Those of us involved in the global community, specifically breeding programs, would have heard about it right away. I'm in dozens of world wide groups of breeders and there has been NOT A WHISPER of this.

Edit:
It could be that there is some sort of miscommunication on some level here, it's just that these facts don't seem to add up.


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I don't have to explain myself to you, but I will do so anyway.

I have no idea why the world media haven't written about the theft, but here are a few links ind the Danish media:

Odense Zoo: Vi har fået stjålet dyr - dusør udloves | BT Danmark - www.bt.dk

Chok i Odense Zoo: Milliontyveri af papegøjer | Odense | Fyens.dk

Fire store papegøjer stjålet fra Odense Zoo | TV 2 Fyn

Odense Zoo udlover stor dusør: Hvem har set vores papegøjer? | TV 2 Fyn

Chok i zoo: Papegøjer for millioner stjålet i nat ? Ekstra Bladet

I hope google can translate them for you.

As Mr Boat correctly says, I am a volunteer at another zoo, who are now trying to find sponsors to buy a pair of Hyacinths. The cheaper the cost, the easier they have in getting enough sponsors for the purchase of the birds. If they go want birds via the regular zoo breeding programme, they usually wait years and years to be considered for Hy's. As this is not a government sponsored zoo, they are free to seek outside sponsors to buy additions to the zoo.

If you also read my post, it states they have to be unrelated. If this was "for profit", they could just have bought the breeding pair for sale less than 2 months ago, however they were not fully feathered and therefore not an option, as they will be on display for the public.

To be honest, you can think what you like. If you don't have any contacts, fair enough. Just don't try to make a conspiracy, where there is none.

And even if the purchase were "for profit", why would you care? And why would I even mention a zoo? I guess if someone is interested in selling their birds, then who ever pays the price, will be the one to purchase them.

I usually don't get tickedd off of people on the internet, so congrats, you managed to do so...

 

[Scott]

Is there a possibility the zoo could exchange a breeding pair of Hyacinth's with another facility? This seems to be common with zoo mammals for genetic variation, overbreeding, etc. This would presume your zoo has something to equitably trade either for short or long term.

 

[SilleIN]

I wish there was. Unfortunately I don't think the director of the zoo, would ask me to try and find a breeding pair for sale, if he would be able to trade with another zoo. I would think buying a pair would be his last option.

To be honest, I am not in the know of the inner workings of the zoo, I am just trying to help out. My guess is, that due to the recent theft, that they are hoping to attract extra sponsors??? They have been looking for a pair for some time now, it just seems the search has intensified.

And I just thought of another thing; there would be no point for a "for profit" breeder to look for any CITES app. 1 birds in the US, as the US Fish and Wildlife Services will NEVER issue export licences to anything other than zoos.

 

[Konrad]

Hello, check here

Ary Hiacyntowe na sprzeda? | Centrum hodowlane

 

[SilleIN]

Hello, check here

Ary Hiacyntowe na sprzeda? | Centrum hodowlane

Thank you very much for the link. We are generally looking for parentreared adults. We have young handreared hy's on offer from Sweden (or Malta, can't remember which).

It is very important to the zoo, that the hy's will be able to parent their chicks themselves. This is important if the chicks will be able to go into breeding programmes to eventually be set free, that they have as little need for human contact as possible.

If the parents are handreared, the risk is higher, that they will not able to rear their young and the whole point with the birds is sort of lost.

It is therefore quite important to get the right birds.

The minimum requirements;

Both birds needs to be fully feathered and be structurally intact (no broken wings or toes)

They have to be unrelated

If they have mated, they need to have been able to rear their young themselves.

If they have not yet raised chicks, they have to be parentreared.

Thank you again for information. I would be very happy to receive other optoins

 

[Djnightfire]

I live in Denmark and work with a zoo here.

Until a month ago, there was only one breeding pair of hyacinth macaws in Danish zoos. Unfortunately the only breeding pair got stolen a month ago

I am therefore seeking a breeding pair of hyacinth macaws basically worldwide for a Danish zoo.

Since they are for a zoo, they will be on display for the public and will enter into a breeding programme.

There are therefore these minimum requirements;
Both birds needs to be fully feathered and be structurally intact (no broken wings or toes)
They have to be unrelated
If they have mated, they need to have been able to rear their young themselves.
If they have not yet raised chicks, they have to be parentreared.

If you have any contacts to anybody, who would have a breeding pair, they are willing to sell, I would be very interested. Further details about the zoo can be given in private communication.

Hi I have a bonded pair I may consider selling to the right home at the right price they are bonded perfect feather and health and all relevant cities paperwork also micro chipped they have not yet bread but are showing signs of mating already which is very promising for two 5 year old birds

 

[ChristaNL]

I think you should try sending her a PM, bacause she is not posting much/ anything here.


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The only thing that confuses me about the original story: how in the world will you combine the peace and quiet a breeding pair needs to succesfully raise young with "being on display for the public" but at the same time work towards young that will be released in the wild (so should be weary of humans) ...

(so I am with Silversage at this - I can understand trying different ways of finding birds, but what they want with the birds is impossible ...)

I've met with only one guy the last few years that admitted to raising hya's (he inherrited them and a load of other parrots from his father) and no way does he let anyone even near the place where they live and breed.
(no use asking, I lost his phonenumber the last time I moved house...)

 

[BluenGold_Congo]

There is an international Parrot Trader in the New York area that ships and received internationally. As I recall, they also deal with Mating Pairs.

It would likely be better to deal directly with them. No, I do not have their Name, but I believe it was Wrench13 that provided their name in another Thread.

In my ever thinner knowledge of the rapidly changing business of international trade of exotic Parrots. The Danish Zoo will need to work with such an organization to assure that all the paperwork is completed correctly and the medical examinations /tests are completed by a Certified Avian Vet.

Pulling from a private individual or a small Breeder may complicate matters as the Import /Exporter will need detailed information that they may not have.

Please do not let this hold anyone back from passing on sourcing information as any information on a proven pair will likely be helpful!

I hope this helped!

I think you might be talking about Marc Marrone...I bought my Blue and Gold from him, last March.

https://parrotsoftheworld.com/