And something to consider. . . even birds known to be "quiet" and "good apartment birds" sometimes just aren't. I cringe every time I hear that terminology applied to African Greys. Mine is as loud as a macaw, and he's not distressed; he's happy, swinging like a monkey, playing, vocalizing, beating up his toys. I can hear him driving up the street with the windows down. You know those party air horns? How loud those are? Well, my Grey honks like that at just about the same loudness. Not all day, certainly, but he CAN do that, and does at least once or twice a day for about 5 to 15 minutes at a time.