Force Ciko to out of cage for training bad or good ?

[ottoman]

Hii dear Grey owners
Ou know i have a grey ciko we are doing his trainings out of cage he comes to my arm from t perch easily but he doesnt come out from cage. I force him everyutime to out is it true what should i do dear friends help me i dont want afraid him

 

[Sterling1113]

It's always best to let your bird come out when THEY are ready. If you force them, you risk making them afraid of you, and hurting your bond. They need to be able to feel like their cage is "safe" for them.
Try just having his cage open, talk to him, spend time near his cage. You can offer treats and even ask him to step up, but if he doesn't want to, then he will come out of his cage when he is ready.

 

[ottoman]

It's always best to let your bird come out when THEY are ready. If you force them, you risk making them afraid of you, and hurting your bond. They need to be able to feel like their cage is "safe" for them.
Try just having his cage open, talk to him, spend time near his cage. You can offer treats and even ask him to step up, but if he doesn't want to, then he will come out of his cage when he is ready.

ok thanks for tips
when he is outside he step up to my arm or something like this but in cage noo
ok so we have to time out for training. is that right?????

 

[Sterling1113]

I'm not entirely sure I understand your last question, but you don't have to stop training when he's in the cage! Have you done target training with him? If he will take treats from your hand(or even a small bowl on the end of a stick) then you can start target training with him.
If you want me to I will link a couple of threads that explain it very well, or you can search it on youtube! Lots of good videos.
Target training inside the cage is good fun for both of you. Just a few 10-15 minute sessions a day, and then you can start asking him to follow the target out of the cage, onto a perch, or onto your arm/hand. It's a great bonding exercise for you both.

 

[ottoman]

I'm not entirely sure I understand your last question, but you don't have to stop training when he's in the cage! Have you done target training with him? If he will take treats from your hand(or even a small bowl on the end of a stick) then you can start target training with him.
If you want me to I will link a couple of threads that explain it very well, or you can search it on youtube! Lots of good videos.
Target training inside the cage is good fun for both of you. Just a few 10-15 minute sessions a day, and then you can start asking him to follow the target out of the cage, onto a perch, or onto your arm/hand. It's a great bonding exercise for you both.

We havent start target training yet only step up .
Is that true i have to start target training with him in the cage ??
And then out of cage .. so i have to stop force him to out. and give up outside training when he settling % 100 start again??

 

[labell]

I really don't believe there is a set or pat answer to your question. Training, handling and acclimating your bird has much to do with their body language, personality and age. How old is your grey? Is he acting aggressive or just afraid?

I think that sometimes when people wait too long (giving them space) you miss that window or honeymoon phase and then it becomes a little more difficult, not impossible of course but once the bird becomes more comfortable they also tend to become a little more bold, turning slight fear or nervousness that could have been alleviated calmly and in short positive sessions into a bolder aggression that then takes a little longer to work through.

The male and female eclectus I got from a bad situation were brother and sister but due to their body language and attitude I dealt with both of them very differently. So to help I think we need to know more about your bird and how he is acting. How old is he? Is he shaking and afraid? Is he lunging, growling, biting at you? Is the problem only while he is in the cage, how does he respond to you out of the cage? Will he step onto a stick from inside the cage and come out to you? When you say force him out for training what does that mean, are you able to grab his feet and remove him from the cage without getting bit? Or are you using a towel or perch to get him out of the cage?

 

[JerseyWendy]

Laura, his Ciko is under a year.

 

[labell]

Oh well that makes a difference in my mind for sure!

Get that baby out and train, cuddle, socialize. With greys you want to expose them in small doses to other people, new toys, different rooms as much as you can. Short, positive, calm, frequent training sessions and interaction will make it so he can handle new strange things when he is older.

"Baby" a baby grey too much and the first time you have to move their cage or move them or you add a new toy, you have a plucking necrotic scared bird on your hands. Socialize him well now to handle changes later. Good luck with your baby!

 

[ottoman]

Labell firstly thanls a lot for give your time my question.

1-ciko is less then 1 year
2-not an angry bird never bites once try but now never.
3-not agressive just afraid..
I wonder that ciko and me make 2 trainings but he never go outside cage himself .
Always i take him with perch while going out from cage. But nowadays when i open cages door he starts climbing diffrent places i cant take him to the perch and cant take him outside. Should i force him or not??
Because since 3 days we cant doing trainings question is this what should i do

 

[labell]

He is young and you are building your relationship but yes you should be doing short, frequent, positive training sessions, don't let him dictate when or when he won't come out of the cage. If you want him out you need to follow through and take him out, either on your hand or a stick. If you let him bluff you and call the shots now as a baby you will pay for it later when he is an adult.

If he isn't on a harness I wouldn't take him outside just yet, you don't want him flying off. Work in different rooms in your house so he is comfortable in controlled different surroundings.

Inside you can work on step up and step down both to your hand and a perch. Touch or clicker training if that is something you want to include. Right now the most important thing you are teaching him is that it is more fun and includes yummy treats to spend time with you rather than stay in his cage.

When I was working with Gomez (very frightened boy) it was MANY short frequent sessions each day. I wanted to first have him understand that time spent with me was enjoyable and that he could feel safe even if he was out of his cage. Right now is the time to build love and trust. Take him into different rooms while verbally reassuring him that he is okay.

Any hardcore training other than not biting and step up and step down can wait until he is more comfortable with you and his surroundings. It is important that new things, new rooms, and being with you are seen as fun and like an adventure to him first before any real trick like training starts.

 

[ottoman]

okeeey force him yep i understand ..
tomarrow i wil take him out of cage and start training again he learned step up step down but first i have to take him out from cage

he dont eat food from my hand is there any tips ??

 

[Sterling1113]

Birds like to share food. If he isn't interested in the fruit/veg/seed you're offering, take a bite! I bet it'll spark his interest.
Whenever I'm eating, even if it's something my birds don't like, they still want a nibble to remember they don't like it. All because I'm eating it and making it seem like it's the most delicious thing in the world.
Just try to avoid giving pieces that made contact with your mouth. (I.E eat a grape then offer him his own grape) just to avoid any bacteria in your mouth that is harmless to us but may be risky for birds.

 

[ottoman]

il try again thanks
2 days ago i try but he didnt eat

 

[MikeyTN]

Yes please do get him out of the cage cause some birds will become cage potatoes and won't come out period so you'll have to force him out and then start the training process.

 

[ottoman]

thanks that was very helpful

 

[MonicaMc]

I agree with the advice to leave him in the cage! He doesn't need to be forced out!


I just saw two avian trainers these past two weekends, one of which is internationally known (she holds seminars around the world!) and both trainers highly suggest target training as a first behavior!


If your bird is target trained while inside the cage, you can then target the bird to come out of the cage! No force required!!!! And hey, guess what?!?!?!?! If that bird knows how to target, you can then teach step up and step down!

 

[Birdman666]

My take on this is a bit different.

First of all, as long as he isn't a plucker, it isn't going to damage his psyche to make him do something, if other forms of "persuasion" fail. (Try those first. If not. It's gonna happen.)

To this day, and to think we've been doing this for almost 12 years now, I still occasionally have to go get the towel, and show it to my CAG to get him to step up at bath time... IT WORKS because he knows full well I will use it if he doesn't... and he's going to get his bath whether he likes it or not.

Young CAGS are notoriously clumsy, awkward, and can lack confidence. THEY GAIN confidence by doing it, and figuring out that it doesn't kill them... AFTER THAT they step up readily. Until then, they act like they are going to die...

So, the more you allow them to fester, the greater the chance they think they're going to die. The more you get them out, the sooner they get used to it, and the more confident they become.

 

[MikeyTN]

Where the heck have you been Birdman? I've been needing you to explain a few other threads as I stink at explaining.....lol.....Thank you for explaining this one!

 

[MonicaMc]

IMO, it's better to back off if you get bitten rather than to push into it. The only bite that can't be rewarded is the one that never occurs, so if you learn to read your birds body language well enough, you should know when to back off, thus avoiding the bite. If the bird does end up getting you, then you should try to calmly get the bird off of you, then take a moment and think where you went wrong. Did you push too hard? Was the bird not ready? Did you move too fast? Did something else within the environment cause the bird to lash out?

One of Barbara Heidenreich's favorite phrases to use is to "Go slow to get there fast".

https://www.facebook.com/GoodBirdInc/posts/10151485225142781


IMO, using a towel to force a bird to step up is not the same as the bird stepping up willingly. One causes fear while the other results in trust building exercises.

 

[ottoman]

Dear members i want to say that..

When i take him out of cage to diffrent room for training we start training it tooks nearly 1 hour and then i leave him on t perch free and when sleep time i get him on my arm and take him in cage for sleep
Is that true or
I have to take him back to the cage after training? ?

I so you understand my bad english