Food pieces in poop

[SunnyTheConure]

Thier are pieces of poop in my sun conures poop. Is this normal, I wouldn't have realized if I haven't picked the poop up in a tissue paper. I believe he had a yeast infection and was sitting in one place all day and not eating and vomiting I gave him AVC for four days or so and he has been better since that was a few weeks ago I am now giving him probiotics hopefully he gets better. Where I live there are no avian vets or any vets in general.

 

[noodles123]

This is a very bad sign..
PDD often will cause undigested food in poop...but there can be other issues that cause it too (that is just the first thing that came to mind).
I am not a vet, but I wish you could get him to one....
Here are some thoughts on PDD from someone who dealt with it--I skimmed it and it looks decent, but you can do further research to confirm what this person is saying...
https://stuff.mit.edu/people/rei/bi...y birds (not,PDD - one that primarily attacks

If you don't mind sharing your rough location, we could possibly help you find someone..

 

[SunnyTheConure]

I live in a village in Pakistan I did some reserch the nearest vet is a 5 hour drive and they cost an extreme amount.

 

[noodles123]

Is there a zoo nearby that has large birds? Sometimes zoo vets will see birds for people.

If you know any breeders, you might ask what they do when their birds get sick...they might have ideas....

The thing is, your bird may be very very sick.....I know that the vet may not be an option, but that would be the safest thing because they are going to be the only ones who can tell you for sure what is going on. Other people can guess, but only a vet is going to be able to run tests (IF they see birds and specialize in them enough for that sort of thing)...so just know that there is a significant risk if you don't get veterinary assistance (again though-I understand that may not be possible financially).

One really important thing to note is that this is likely contagious to other birds---so do not bring any other birds around or into your home until you have a better idea of what is making your bird sick...and you should not handle other birds after handling yours or wearing the same clothes around it. Certain dangerous viruses can live on surfaces in a home for a LONG time and infect other birds through feather dust in the air, clothing, carpet, curtains etc...if you already have other birds, assume that they could also be infected until you know what this is, because some viruses show no symptoms in one bird, while still spreading to and producing symptoms in others...so just because an exposed bird seems healthy, does not mean it couldn't spread illness.

Did you read that woman's suggestions in the link I sent you?

I'm hoping yours has some sort of parasite or bacterial issue and not PDD...but she does have some suggestions about things to rule out...and then supportive care.
The problem is, you don't want to try to treat something unless you are pretty sure you know what it is...and if someone gives you advice, before you medicate your bird or take action, DO LOTS OF RESEARCH because sometimes, even experienced bird people will tell you the wrong thing because they are set in their ways.


Do you smoke, vape or burn incense at all in your home? If you do, stop because it can make a sick bird much sicker--I just wanted to mention that....you want the cleanest and most chemical-free air possible for a sick bird.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

I dont have any other birds and understand all the dangers like smoking, teflon and candles. I'm pretty sure it is bacterial or yeast because he got really sick first the pieces in poop then he got tired and wouldn't move eventually he started to do sick. After a few hours of giving AVC in water he got much better and has been since the only issue is that the pieces remain in the poop.

 

[noodles123]

I just found this online:

"

The presence of whole, undigested seeds in a parrot’s stool is cause for concern. It is usually associated with hyper-motility of the gastrointestinal (digestive) tract — in other words, food is passing too quickly through the system, and digestion is not taking place. The problem usually centers in the glandular stomach (proventriculus) or the gizzard (ventriculus).

A gram-negative bacterial infection, which may be caused by organisms such as Enterobacter mega-bacteria or various spirochetes, is often involved. Fungal infections, and parasites such as Giardia or roundworms, are also possibilities that must be considered. Less frequently, gastrointestinal hyper- motility can arise due to cancer, or to problems in the functioning of the crop and pancreas. The possibility that your bird has contracted the very serious Proventricular Dilation Disease (PDD, or “Macaw Wasting Disease”) must also be investigated (please see reference below).

You should contact your veterinarian if undigested seeds show up in the feces of any species of parrot that you might keep. The first step is usually to submit a fecal sample. This may be followed by a radiograph or, if necessary, a biopsy of the area in question.
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Giardia is something that I keep finding....How is your water supply there?
I lived in India for a chunk of time, and the tap water where I was made lots of people sick (that may not be the case where you are though) . I am not sure if you feed your bird tap water, but if you do and it isn't the safest, that is something to consider...

This is a stretch, but if you have any friends in the health-care world or those who are scientists (or even studying to biologists etc), maybe they could look at the poop under a microscope and tell you is they see any gram negative bacteria or yeast...even a human doctor could TECHNICALLY identify a lot of those things under a microscope in a lot of cases...Obviously they aren't going to do that unless you know them personally (and it would have to be off -the-record) lol, but just thought I'd mention it.

Do you ever share food with your bird after eating from a plate or dish? Do you let your bird touch your lips etc? Your spit can be very harmful to birds, as people carry gram-negative bacteria that birds cannot handle.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Not to good but i give bottled water so I doubt its that.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Thanks for all this info

 

[SunnyTheConure]

If it is pdd is there anything that can be done with vet care. Also my birds only 1 year old so could it be pdd I though it affects older birds.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

He is moulting as well and growing new feathers

 

[noodles123]

If it is pdd is there anything that can be done with vet care. Also my birds only 1 year old so could it be pdd I though it affects older birds.

PDD can remain dormant for a long time (usually in the form of ABV). It can be spread mother-to-egg or bird-to-bird..So, it depends...
Sometimes a bird will carry it for years and then it will flare up as they age or if their immune system is stressed.
It's a fatal disease once it gets bad, but it's weird because some birds are still able to live with it for a long time after symptoms show, while others die right away. NSAIDs can slow the progression of the disease too...It's pretty new in terms of what vets understand about it and it's really tricky...Highly nutritious food and a very clean environment is very important for infected birds. They think it starts as something called ABV and progresses to PDD in some (but not all) cases---very confusing virus for vets.
https://www.petcarevb.com/bird-vete...is largely,reduce the amount of regurgitation.

The fact that your bird seems to be improving is good--- it just worries me because they are good at hiding illness as a way of surviving. If it were PDD, I don't think you would be seeing improvement from ACV, but it's so hard to know what is going on without testing etc.

Remember, PDD was just the first thing that popped into my head, but other infections/parasites/ pancreas problems etc can also cause undigested food in poop.

Did you see what I said about sharing food/spit? I edited my post and you may have already responded when I added those comments to the post above.

Moulting puts added stress on a bird's body, so during a moult, their immune systems are lower, so they can catch things more easily than they normally would.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Also why I think it's a yeast infection is before I rarely gave mango them I started giving mango everyday and he got this problem after that so I think it's a yeast.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Yep I dont share saliva or put my bird at risk of infection by doing anything unhygienic

 

[noodles123]

Also why I think it's a yeast infection is before I rarely gave mango them I started giving mango everyday and he got this problem after that so I think it's a yeast.

Did you give the skin of the mango at all? Like, was there even a slight bit of skin or green on the fruit after you peeled it? because it is toxic (as is the pit--so you don't want to give fruit from near the skin or pit to a parrot).


Mango is certainly sweet...so I can understand why you would say that. I guess maybe a really bad yeast issue could cause food to move through undigested, but I haven't really heard of that (it's possible I guess, if it were bad enough..maybe? --again, I don't know)

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Nope no skin just frozen mango thawed in the fridge for 6 hours and then given to him could the increse in sugar cause problems I gave mangos and blueberries and he has dried fruit in his mix. I think it's the incrse in sugar that has caused whatever this is before he was absolutely fine.

 

[noodles123]

IDK if it could cause the extreme issues you were seeing (maybe if it were an extreme yeast issue ?)...A lot of added sugar is what yeast needs to eat/grow...and mango certainly has that...but again, not sure if an overload of yeast could cause what you are seeing or not...I feel like it could be something more than that, but you make some good points, and like I said, I am not a vet. Have you considered calling a vet to ask them some questions?

You don't want to give a bird too much sugar..think more veg than fruit. Fruit in moderation...if a portion is the size of their head, that is way too much, so just keep that in mind.

Again, I have no idea what is going on with your bird (but the symptoms you described imply that something is quite wrong--vomiting, passing bits of food etc), and if you can get medical intervention, that would be best, but I am just telling you what I have read/heard etc. I wish I could help more!

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Thanks he hasn't been vomiting anymore for a few weeks now the last time he vomited is the day before I gave AVC in water since then the only issue I having are the pieces in the poop and it's not everypoop maybe out of 3 poops one has pieces in it I will keep him on probiotics for the next week and if I dont see improvement I will have to do something.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Thanks again

 

[SunnyTheConure]

I have been researching for weeks and found on this site about someone who had a yeast infection and one of the main symptoms was pieces in poop. If nothing improves I will look for someone who can help.

 

[noodles123]

No problem- not sure I helped much, but I wish you luck!
If you see continued improvement over the next few days, I would keep doing what you are doing...just remember that when birds get really sick, things can get worse quickly.
Are you tracking his weight?
Have you been monitoring his water and food consumption etc?
Are you giving ACV and a separate probiotic?