Feet! To worry or not to worry?
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Applo, he can be happy and affectionate and stressed .
I say this, chances are low, but we have had happen more than once here. That a spouse doesn't like the parrot, and torments tge the parrot when the other spouse isn't around. Or we hsve had room mates and even neighbors do this.
It could be the stress bars over preening are before you got him. But because of what you talk about with feet, which can be a stress thing....I think he doesn’t deal with stress well. Im sure how he was raised and weaned played a role in this.
I just want to help your bird. And prevent him from becoming a plucker. I know its kinda a switch for you, since you asked about feet. But the extreme feather over preening in tge pictures, made me want to help.
Before your baby starts plucking, which is much harder to turn around.
You were able to see my pictures? My quaker has a milder over preening issue, you can see the black edges on some if his feathers.
Hopefully I've made it clear that I'm not accusing you of anything . I'm just trying to help find the stress source, lower your birds stress, and help him cope with stress better.
But I don't want to waste my time, if you aren't recognizing your parrot has a issue. Stress, nutritional, or liver, or kidney problems are showing up in his feathers.
https://www.birdsandexotics.com/2020/01/stress-bars-that/
https://hari.ca/avian-care/early-pa...nion-parrot-owner/misting-preening-education/
I say this, chances are low, but we have had happen more than once here. That a spouse doesn't like the parrot, and torments tge the parrot when the other spouse isn't around. Or we hsve had room mates and even neighbors do this.
It could be the stress bars over preening are before you got him. But because of what you talk about with feet, which can be a stress thing....I think he doesn’t deal with stress well. Im sure how he was raised and weaned played a role in this.
I just want to help your bird. And prevent him from becoming a plucker. I know its kinda a switch for you, since you asked about feet. But the extreme feather over preening in tge pictures, made me want to help.
Before your baby starts plucking, which is much harder to turn around.
You were able to see my pictures? My quaker has a milder over preening issue, you can see the black edges on some if his feathers.
Hopefully I've made it clear that I'm not accusing you of anything . I'm just trying to help find the stress source, lower your birds stress, and help him cope with stress better.
But I don't want to waste my time, if you aren't recognizing your parrot has a issue. Stress, nutritional, or liver, or kidney problems are showing up in his feathers.
https://www.birdsandexotics.com/2020/01/stress-bars-that/
https://hari.ca/avian-care/early-pa...nion-parrot-owner/misting-preening-education/
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Not at all and I appreciate the note because I didn't even know there was something wrong with his feathers. And I'm new to the gcc thing and just trying to make sure I'm not doing something seriously wrong. And Its my husband's bird he loves parrots I'm really the only one who doesn't like birds. And the little turd has wiggled into my heart and MADE me like him hahaha. I did TONS of research after getting him and joined this forum for this exact reason so people with experience can tell me when I'm messing up.
Yiu can try making a new thread and address questions about feathers, it might lead to more responses.
Are there other pets in the house?
If you can offer more ways fir him to choose, that might be part of his issues with stress. Link together perch areas so he can move himself. The below is from Pamela Clark, a very renowned parrot behaviorist.
Below from Pamela Clark
" Control is a Biological Need
We know that all animals exercise control by making choices. I have argued for years that by increasing the number of choices that our parrots are able to make, we are increasing their quality of life.
Lauren A. Leotti and her co-authors expand upon this idea by saying, “Belief in one’s ability to exert control over the environment and to produce desired results is essential for an individual’s well-being. It has been repeatedly argued that the perception of control is not only desirable, but it is likely a psychological and biological necessity.” They go on to state that “the restriction of choice is aversive.” (Leotti, 2010)
Lack of Control is Aversive
Not only is it aversive, it can result in the condition of learned helplessness. This is a state of behavior in which the animal stops even trying to make choices. How many times have we described a parrot as a “perch potato?” The perch potato is manifesting a version of learned helplessness.
Expanding upon this idea, they write: “In the absence of other stressors, however, the removal of choice, in and of itself, can be very stressful. It has been found that the restriction of behaviors, particularly behaviors that are highly valued by a species, contributes to behavioral and physiological manifestations of stress. It seems that the aversive effects of captivity may depend upon the extent to which behavioral choices have been reduced relative to what could be performed in the natural environment.” (Leotti, 2010)
New Perceptions
In the past few years, I have come to see our parrot-keeping practices in a new light. We have taken flighted spirits, clipped their wings, and put them in cages. Many parrots spend all of their time in their cage, or have at most, one or two hours out each day. We have taken away their liberty, which is essential for exercising choice.
If we kept dogs in a similar manner, rendering them unable to move in a way natural to them and keeping them in kennels for 22 hours every day, it would be considered abuse. However, these practices are still commonplace in the parrot world, rarely being brought into question. We appear unable to judge the inappropriateness of these practices since they have been accepted as normal for so long."
https://blogpamelaclarkonline.com/tag/parrots-and-flight/
Are there other pets in the house?
If you can offer more ways fir him to choose, that might be part of his issues with stress. Link together perch areas so he can move himself. The below is from Pamela Clark, a very renowned parrot behaviorist.
Below from Pamela Clark
" Control is a Biological Need
We know that all animals exercise control by making choices. I have argued for years that by increasing the number of choices that our parrots are able to make, we are increasing their quality of life.
Lauren A. Leotti and her co-authors expand upon this idea by saying, “Belief in one’s ability to exert control over the environment and to produce desired results is essential for an individual’s well-being. It has been repeatedly argued that the perception of control is not only desirable, but it is likely a psychological and biological necessity.” They go on to state that “the restriction of choice is aversive.” (Leotti, 2010)
Lack of Control is Aversive
Not only is it aversive, it can result in the condition of learned helplessness. This is a state of behavior in which the animal stops even trying to make choices. How many times have we described a parrot as a “perch potato?” The perch potato is manifesting a version of learned helplessness.
Expanding upon this idea, they write: “In the absence of other stressors, however, the removal of choice, in and of itself, can be very stressful. It has been found that the restriction of behaviors, particularly behaviors that are highly valued by a species, contributes to behavioral and physiological manifestations of stress. It seems that the aversive effects of captivity may depend upon the extent to which behavioral choices have been reduced relative to what could be performed in the natural environment.” (Leotti, 2010)
New Perceptions
In the past few years, I have come to see our parrot-keeping practices in a new light. We have taken flighted spirits, clipped their wings, and put them in cages. Many parrots spend all of their time in their cage, or have at most, one or two hours out each day. We have taken away their liberty, which is essential for exercising choice.
If we kept dogs in a similar manner, rendering them unable to move in a way natural to them and keeping them in kennels for 22 hours every day, it would be considered abuse. However, these practices are still commonplace in the parrot world, rarely being brought into question. We appear unable to judge the inappropriateness of these practices since they have been accepted as normal for so long."
https://blogpamelaclarkonline.com/tag/parrots-and-flight/
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