clipped wings

[sparky_bird]

my pearly conures wing were clipped by the previous owners.but after i got him i was told he would never fly again because his feathers were clipped past growth plates

 

[sparky_bird]

please someone help me out

 

[riaria]

As long as they're moulted out, I can't see why new ones wouldn't grow in? Unless the follicles have been damaged, but I'm not sure that can happen if you just clip the wings? Someone else probably knows more

But, you can always contact your vet about it?

 

[Featheredsamurai]

Could you take a photo of one of the wings spread?

As long as the skin wasn't clipped, or the tip of the wing bone wasn't amputated, there's no reason why the feathers won't molt out and be replaced.

 

[sparky_bird]

thank you for your answer. I cant show you his wings because he doesn't like people touching them. I was told by my uncle he has to do the same thing to his ducks. If i pat his wings he usually squeaks and moves his wing. he hasn't had any growth in the feathers since i got him. this was done by his previous owners. i got him at 6 months of age.

sincerely benjamin wohlfeil (sparky_bird)

 

[MikeyTN]

If you could get someone to help you to take some pictures of the wings, it would be rather helpful so we can help you further, without seeing it, it's hard to help you. Otherwise consult with an avian veterinarian who can assist further with your questions as they can examine for you in detail. We can only speculate as we're not there to see nor are we avian vets.

 

[MonicaMc]

How old is he now?

Pet birds, you only *trim* the flight feathers, not pinion them.


Here's photos of birds that have been pinioned (permanent)

http://www.captiveanimals.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/5.png
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/spectrumranch/waterfowl/1wfflap.jpg
http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/285x214/395283_1.jpg
http://cdn.backyardchickens.com/6/67/350x233px-LL-6760c604_pinionedflamingo.jpeg


Vs birds who have been clipped (temporary)

 

[sparky_bird]

he is about 10-11 months

 

[MonicaMc]

Then he may not be old enough yet to go through a molt and replace clipped feathers. Here are photos of Jayde growing out her primary feathers.

You can kind of see the progression in the photos... and she's still growing them!

 

[sparky_bird]

thanks again but i was talking about his wings but i was told they have damaged the joint.

 

[jugoya]

They Pinioned him them :c.

Poor little guy D=

 

[SpotsandSally]

May I ask, what's so wrong with pinioning a parrot (aside from the fact they'll never fly again). Wouldn't it be simpler and more comfortable (i know that some birds find clipped wings uncomfortable)? Personally I don't agree with pinioning (or even clipping) any birds wings (would you cut off your dogs foot so he couldn't run as fast?), but why isn't it usually done to parrots? If someone did it to a flamingo then why not a parrot?)

 

[jugoya]

Pinioning is usually regulated for zoos with open aviaries... and mostly Water Fowl that don't do as much flying.

Geese, Chickens, and Ducks.. along with Turkey and Swans are the most commonly pinioned birds.

Basically birds that spend most of their time on the ground anyway, domesticated to the point that flight isn't usually possible savefor more than several meters.

I grew up on a farm and though we didn't pinion our birds we did clip one wing. Farm birds don't often need that balance that parrots do; say you have a pinioned bird... (Pinioning is usually only done on one wing.)

And your parrot is up high... well with a pinioned bird that lack of balance means most of the time the bird is going to fall.. and fall hard. Where as with a properly clipped parrot they tend to glide.

If a bird falls it is likely to be on the chest; and then the breast bone will likely break.

Death.. fatalities, that you don't see in hardier farm animals; because they have been BRED for hardiness; musculature as food animals.

Parrots haven't been.. and so the flight response instinct is still intact.

Besides the feathers never grow right afterwards and you end up with a chronically problamatic bird with seasonal wing pain. Not to mention a higher chance to have a plucker as a pet.

Pinioning in Parrots is not advised.. for most of those reasons.

Not to mention its like taking off your arm at the wrist.. what is a bird without wings?

A person without a hand.

 

[SpotsandSally]

Pinioning is usually regulated for zoos with open aviaries... and mostly Water Fowl that don't do as much flying.

Geese, Chickens, and Ducks.. along with Turkey and Swans are the most commonly pinioned birds.

Basically birds that spend most of their time on the ground anyway, domesticated to the point that flight isn't usually possible savefor more than several meters.

I grew up on a farm and though we didn't pinion our birds we did clip one wing. Farm birds don't often need that balance that parrots do; say you have a pinioned bird... (Pinioning is usually only done on one wing.)

And your parrot is up high... well with a pinioned bird that lack of balance means most of the time the bird is going to fall.. and fall hard. Where as with a properly clipped parrot they tend to glide.

If a bird falls it is likely to be on the chest; and then the breast bone will likely break.

Death.. fatalities, that you don't see in hardier farm animals; because they have been BRED for hardiness; musculature as food animals.

Parrots haven't been.. and so the flight response instinct is still intact.

Besides the feathers never grow right afterwards and you end up with a chronically problamatic bird with seasonal wing pain. Not to mention a higher chance to have a plucker as a pet.

Pinioning in Parrots is not advised.. for most of those reasons.

Not to mention its like taking off your arm at the wrist.. what is a bird without wings?

A person without a hand.

I see. I didnt quite understand pinioning, thanks.
We don't pinion any of our birds here, so I suppose I'm just a bit ignorant. I just think, if you have a good area for your birds, they shouldn't be able to fly out (like chickens, ducks, etc), and if they do fly out, wouldn't you want them to be able to get away from predators? I dunno.
Thanks,

 

[jugoya]

Exactly.

My dad used to clip for that reason; and chickens are oddly resiliant and smart birds despote what others say.

Ours learned how to CLIMB the trees.

We did however have an incident with a dog that got into the fenced area and killed most of them. Only the ones that weren't clipped made it high up in the trees.

We only clipped two primaries after that.

Also Clipping is also done for easy capture.. Seriously.. chasing after dinner with a broom gets old after a while... lols.
(Chickens of course.)

 

[SpotsandSally]

Exactly.

My dad used to clip for that reason; and chickens are oddly resiliant and smart birds despote what others say.

Ours learned how to CLIMB the trees.

We did however have an incident with a dog that got into the fenced area and killed most of them. Only the ones that weren't clipped made it high up in the trees.

We only clipped two primaries after that.

Also Clipping is also done for easy capture.. Seriously.. chasing after dinner with a broom gets old after a while... lols.
(Chickens of course.)

Wow, climbing trees?
Poor chickies, glad to know some made it. We had a leghorn who could fly like a songbird, never could catch her but she lived in the woods, never lost her to a predator, either. Finding her eggs was a bit of a PITA.
lol, we use a net, and corner them.

 

[jugoya]

Our chickens were in a acre and a half enclosure fully forested .. catching the one we wanted was often times hard.

 

[ParrotsParrotsParrots]

What an interesting thread I have never heard of pinioning before. In any type of bird. Always nice to learn something new

 

[MikeyTN]

And again I mention this! To clip or not to clip is a personal opinion and choice! Clipping feathers is far from chopping off foot of an animal. Feathers can grow back!

 

[ShellyBorg]

This is from Wiki for those who do not know what pinioning is.


Removing the pinion joint of a bird stops the growth of the primary feathers, preventing the acceleration required for flight.[1] Pinioning may be done by a veterinarian or by a trained breeder, and is similar to other forms of modification of domestically raised animals, such as docking the tail of a dog.
In general, there is thought to be little to no long term negative effect from pinioning if performed correctly and at a young age.[2] However, the animal welfare impact of pinioning is debated, with some evidence that is unnecessarily painful even in young birds, and that it may cause a phantom limb syndrome similar to what is observed in human amputees.
Pinioning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia