Big problems with little Kumar :(

Kalidasa

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I took Kumar to the vet Friday for an x-ray and Giardia test (& test kit), which would complete his exams. He's been having some seasonal hormonal issues, which is another issue. Apparently there is a policy about non-staff being in the x-ray room. I almost bolted then, and wish I did now :( they assured me it would only take a minute as these were digital x-rays. I handed him over and waited...for 26 minutes. He came back a mess. There was a scrape on his shoulder, a few feathers were bent, and he was badly shaken and very thirsty. He crawled under my shirt and hid. The vet came in and I ripped him a new one. Mind you, it was 2 techs that took him (young girls) and the vet was in the x-ray room. 3 people. He apologized and said he was fighting it (duh!). His x-rays were normal he did show and explain.
Fast forward, following morning. His appetite is down and he's depressed. Then I notice he can't fly! 2 flaps and he's down, like a clipped bird. Holding his wings out. I'm realizing his wings hurt. He stays snugged against my chest all morning. I canceled all my appointments. I gave him a bath later that morning, and as he's sitting wet under a light on his stand, I see more abrasions on both wings, and under his armpit there is a deep bruise.
This will never ever happen again, he will never be trusted around strangers again. I feel horrible, like I betrayed him
I called the vets and left a message. He calls right back and says these things happen, and offered to give me some anti-inflammatory mild pain meds for him. He kept saying how he was fighting. OF COURSE HE WAS FIGHTING!!! This is beyond the pale. I'm going in Monday to drop off the samples (stool) and will have to keep my cool and not talk to anyone or I might explode. I want the results without having the police called on me. Then, I'm done with this vet office. If they would have let me in, it would have been an amazingly easy thing that would have taken about 2 minutes. He will go into any position I put him in for a scratch. I should have never handed him over, and now I'm eaten by guilt:(
Now today is Sunday and he still can't fly. Two flaps and he's down, so no more heights until he can. He's currently sitting atop the drier (I'm drying clothes) and enjoying the warmth. I'm getting that anti-inflammatory because I don't want him to stiffen up. I'm amazed how he just is pure forgiveness after I handed him over to get beat up like that. He ate a little more, and will play with his rollerball a little. I just hate that he can't fly! I left him on my bed for one minute, and he tried to fly to the dresser and he fell. One of my budgies (gadget) flew down to the floor and hung out with him until I picked him up. Even he knows something bad happened. :(
 
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Oh poor Kumar!!! That happened with my Zon. When I purchased him he was only 3m and I took him in for the normal physical. They took him back for a blood samlpe that took 15min and he came back in a horrible mess and just hid under my shirt too. A year later he had to have xrays done and they let me in and I laided in down and he was fine and then the vet tried to hold him to the table with scotch tape! My poor guy freaked out and I ended up having to hold him on the table. It is so freakin scary how many 'avain vets' have no idea how to handle a bird, all they know is the physiology.
I really hope he feels better soon and that his wing doesn't have something worse like a fracture. I am so glad that you are able to take the day and cuddle with him, he needs that more than anything today. [[[hugs]]]
 
Oh no!! Poor baby! What kind of a vet is that! If that happened to Lilo I would go nuts! And how dare he blame it on the bird! What the heck! Ya the bird said hey why don't you terrify me and brues me just for fun! Aw I am so sorry that this horrific event happened! I hope that there is a speedy recovery and that he calms down from that! And dont feel bad, it's not your falt! You should be able to bring your pet to a vet without needing to go to two years of therapy after! :(
 
Oh my gosh! How horrible!!! If that was my Indy I would go crazy on some people in there!! I'm so sorry this happened to you guys :( I hope your baby has a speedy recovery and that you both feel better soon!
 
Oh no!! Chris, I am so sorry to hear that this happened to little Kumar. Obviously you would change vet offices after that absolutely unacceptable experience. Over the years I've noticed that just because a vet advertises that they work with birds, it doesn't mean that they should! It's truly a specialty as we know.

The reason I'm sure you could guess they don't want you back in x-ray is liability. The employees wear protective gear and a dosimeter badge to measure cumulative exposure to radiation. Still, it would help if the people trained to use
x-ray were competent with the animal they're working with! I agree that is a complete outrage.

I'm glad to hear Kumar is being trusting and resilient despite what happened, but it is because he loves you and knows you will take good care of him :) take care, good luck, and please keep us posted!
 
Do you have an avian vet in mind to try next? If not, of course it always helps to have recommendations. Why not try Yelp.com for consumer reviews of vets in your area?
I've used Yelp for restaurants, retail, etc. and reading real people's reviews proved quite helpful instead of blindly stabbing in the dark hoping what you find is a good business.
 
Oh no, poor Kumar! I am so sorry this happened to you both:(
If I had been in your shoes, I would have done the same thing. You assume that people who care for birds are going to know what the heck they are doing! I will make sure to remember this is I am ever asked to leave them at the vet. My fids have not needed xrays, but my dogs and cats have at one time or another, and I was allowed back with them, thank goodness.
I hope that Kumar starts feeling better quickly, and that you don't kill someone on Monday until after you get the test results back:)
 
This makes me so mad hearing what happened to Kumar. You'd think if they were having so much difficulty, they'd ask assistance from the one person who could help - the owner. It makes you wonder what goes on in there. I experienced something similar with boomer as you might recall.

I hope it is just bruising. He is attempting flight and is eating which are good signs that it might not be too serious as broken bones. I'm glad your taking him in just the same. You have every right to be angry. You don't have to make a scene at he office of course but make your displeasure known.

Will be sending Kumar warm thoughts. He will be okay!
 
May I ask why they felt inclined to give him an xray for a giardia test?
 
Oh no! I hope he is okay and nothing serious is wrong. I would hope/expect my vet would let me in the back if they were having issues getting any of my birds to stay calm. I hope you can find another avian vet near you that will be much better than the current one!
 
That's awful, I know when I took Nelson in and they were planning x rays they mentioned he would be sedated or under general anestheticm obviously it bumps the price up but it should have been an option at least!
 
Oh Chris....I'm so mad at how they could let this happen. I feel so badly for you and Kumar. poor Kumar, what a terrible experience.
such a sweetheart to NOT hold a grudge, he really does love you!!

is it possible he gave him metacam for pain?

Chris, is your vet an A-vet?? I'm sure he is, I just don't remember.
you might want to lower his perches in his cage for the time being, to prevent him from wanting to fly until he's more comfortable.
everyday he should be more improved....btw, take pictures!!! of his injuries, that way you have proof if you ever need it.
 
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Oh no!! Poor baby! What kind of a vet is that! If that happened to Lilo I would go nuts! And how dare he blame it on the bird! What the heck! Ya the bird said hey why don't you terrify me and brues me just for fun! Aw I am so sorry that this horrific event happened! I hope that there is a speedy recovery and that he calms down from that! And dont feel bad, it's not your falt! You should be able to bring your pet to a vet without needing to go to two years of therapy after! :(

I know that's how I felt, like they were blaming the bird. It's the birds fault for struggling. He's supposed to struggle, he's a bird that was being molested by 3 strangers!
 
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This makes me so mad hearing what happened to Kumar. You'd think if they were having so much difficulty, they'd ask assistance from the one person who could help - the owner. It makes you wonder what goes on in there. I experienced something similar with boomer as you might recall.

I hope it is just bruising. He is attempting flight and is eating which are good signs that it might not be too serious as broken bones. I'm glad your taking him in just the same. You have every right to be angry. You don't have to make a scene at he office of course but make your displeasure known.

Will be sending Kumar warm thoughts. He will be okay!

Actually while I was waiting I thought of boomer, and as it was taking so long I thought to myself "I hope he doesn't come back with his tail gone"! I know his bones aren't broken because I saw (and have a disc) if the x-rays. This is bruising and scrapes and abrasions.
 
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May I ask why they felt inclined to give him an xray for a giardia test?

Ok, here's the deal. His initial exam had those tests included, but we didn't do them then (November) because it would have been too much on him. As you know he had problems with plucking, which is turning out to be seasonal/hormonal. But to determine that illness and blockage has to be ruled out. His hormones are in full swing, the air is drier, and he plucked a heart-shaped spot on his chest. He was itchy, and in cases like that Giardia has to be ruled out. I've had him 10 months now and am seeing patterns with seasons and hormones. The patch is already growing in, but he's still itchy. I've started with colloidal oatmeal baths which helps alot as colloidal oatmeal is very moisturing while leaving little residue and non-toxic. 2moro I'm collecting the last morning fecal sample then bringing the samples in. Don't worry I'm not going to cause a scene (I've already done that). I want the results and then I'm done with them. I gave then an appropriate review, and it's a stain on their online bio that will never wash off.
 
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Oh Chris....I'm so mad at how they could let this happen. I feel so badly for you and Kumar. poor Kumar, what a terrible experience.
such a sweetheart to NOT hold a grudge, he really does love you!!

is it possible he gave him metacam for pain?

Chris, is your vet an A-vet?? I'm sure he is, I just don't remember.
you might want to lower his perches in his cage for the time being, to prevent him from wanting to fly until he's more comfortable.
everyday he should be more improved....btw, take pictures!!! of his injuries, that way you have proof if you ever need it.

He didn't give him anything for pain, but there will be something there for him when I drop off the samples tomorrow. I put a bunch of newspaper in a paper shredder and put it at the bottom. He's nestled in and sleeping.
He's definately an a-vet. I truly believe this was because of the 2 stupid young girls who took him and "assisted". The vet is bound by policy, he just works there and doesn't make the rules. I don't think he's a bad vet, but he'll never be a vet for me again. Screw me once, shame on you, do it twice, shame on me. I will never put Kumar in that situation again where I'm not present. He doesn't deserve this :(
 
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Today he spent the day in my bedroom on my bed with all his toys, and his backpack, and me. He spent the majority of the day sleeping (he never even naps) on my chest. When he would wake he would want scratches on his head and to play a little rollerball, then back to sleep. His appetite is a little better. He still can't fly and I'm not letting him try for now, and he's ok with that. I'm picking up his pain meds tomorrow. Who ever heard of needing pain meds after an x-ray?:(
 
Sorry to hear of your A-vet problems....Where in Michigan are you located? Since I'm in Michigan also......The rescue that BruceV got Simba from recommended the A-vet in Toledo. Supposed to be first exit off 23. (exit 1) There's an avian enthusiast that shows birds (has the too that took nationals) from Eaton Rapids and she takes her birds there also....
Bird & Exotic Pet Wellness Center
Susan Orosz
5166 Monroe St.
Toledo, OH 43623
419-843-3217
birdexoticpetvets.com
 
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Sorry to hear of your A-vet problems....Where in Michigan are you located? Since I'm in Michigan also......The rescue that BruceV got Simba from recommended the A-vet in Toledo. Supposed to be first exit off 23. (exit 1)
Bird & Exotic Pet Wellness Center
Susan Orosz
5166 Monroe St.
Toledo, OH 43623
419-843-3217
birdexoticpetvets.com

I'm in Troy (Oakland county) a little north of Detroit. Thanks for the info, I've stored it. The vet he was at was Parkway small animal and Exotic Hospital. It's located in Mt. Clemens, Mi.
 
This particular vet is supposed to be well known...I was under the assumption that this vet is famous in the avian world....
 

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