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[jousze]

Hi guys,
Well as I had said I was supposed to get a Senegal parrot next week... well the breeder called me and told me they haven’t been borned. Apparently the eggs were not fertilised (I’m not sure if we call it like that)..

I’m really sad so I started searching for more parrots. I don’t really care what type of parrot but just not too noisy, and not a budgie or a cockatiel.

Do you guys have any idea of what parrot could fit? (For an apartment).
I’ve seen some Galahs and eclectus but I just don’t know how noisy they are.

Well I hope you can help me find the specie [emoji4]
Thank you!



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[noodles123]

Sorry it didn't work out.


ALL parrots are noisy--- especially cockatoos, macaws and amazons...the rest are still loud...LOUD....Now, my cockatoo or a Macaw can scream like a jet-engine (up close)..That doesn't mean that the others aren't loud. They are.
I would be cautious about getting a bird in an apartment--- it can be done, but it is often an impediment to training (if your bird screams for attention, it is much easier to ignore in a house when you don't have eviction hanging over your head).


Have you had birds before?


Here is a list of the "quietest" parrots---that having been said, we have a Parakeet growing up and she could tear apart the mental state of everyone on the same floor when she wanted to (yes, you could still clearly hear her upstairs...it just wasn't as mind-numbing)


https://www.thesprucepets.com/quiet-pet-bird-species-390545

 

[itzjbean]

Aw, sorry to hear your original Senegal didn't hatch or end up as planned. Sometimes these things just happen.

Take some time to really think about what you want to do. It may seem like a long time but waiting for the right bird is sometimes the best solution. You don't want to act rash and end up with a bird you completely don't understand or aren't equipped to handle. Why not wait? What's the rush? I waited over a year for my puppy, wait was so worth it to get my dream dog! I would do the same for my birds.

Eclectus aren't known to be particularly noisy, especially the females, but all individual birds are going to be different. It also depends a lot on your budget. Just because you can afford a Senegal, doesn't mean you can handle an Eclectus, (usually $1500 for a baby, not to mention their delicate diets!) Just a thought.

 

[jousze]

Sorry it didn't work out.


ALL parrots are noisy--- especially cockatoos, macaws and amazons...the rest are still loud...LOUD....Now, my cockatoo or a Macaw can scream like a jet-engine (up close)..That doesn't mean that the others aren't loud. They are.
I would be cautious about getting a bird in an apartment--- it can be done, but it is often an impediment to training (if your bird screams for attention, it is much easier to ignore in a house when you don't have eviction hanging over your head).


Have you had birds before?


Here is a list of the "quietest" parrots---that having been said, we have a Parakeet growing up and she could tear apart the mental state of everyone on the same floor when she wanted to (yes, you could still clearly hear her upstairs...it just wasn't as mind-numbing)


https://www.thesprucepets.com/quiet-pet-bird-species-390545

Yes yes! I’ve always had, the only difference is that I was living with my parents in a villa so we didn’t have neighbors. Last year I moved to another country and I live in an apartment, and I just feel so empty without a bird :/


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[jousze]

Aw, sorry to hear your original Senegal didn't hatch or end up as planned. Sometimes these things just happen.

Take some time to really think about what you want to do. It may seem like a long time but waiting for the right bird is sometimes the best solution. You don't want to act rash and end up with a bird you completely don't understand or aren't equipped to handle. Why not wait? What's the rush? I waited over a year for my puppy, wait was so worth it to get my dream dog! I would do the same for my birds.

Eclectus aren't known to be particularly noisy, especially the females, but all individual birds are going to be different. It also depends a lot on your budget. Just because you can afford a Senegal, doesn't mean you can handle an Eclectus, (usually $1500 for a baby, not to mention their delicate diets!) Just a thought.

I know, I think I’ll wait but I wanted to know other species in case I can’t find a Senegal [emoji16][emoji16]
Thanks for the information about the eclectus[emoji4]
And there’s no budget so I’m open to all suggestions!


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[GaleriaGila]

The quietest parrot I've ever known was a female cockatiel. And what a cuddler.

Meanwhile, here are some readings I usually offer to new folks. I know you have previous experience, but just to cover some basics

I'm so sorry for your disappointment.

I like your style... reaching out, planning...

Okay, here we go.


Here's some reading on bonding for you.
http://www.parrotforums.com/general-parrot-information/49144-tips-bonding-building-trust.html
General Parrot Information - Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community
http://goodbirdinc.blogspot.com/2012...n-parrots.html


Most of us swear by our avian vets in the event of health concerns. I don't know where you are, but here are some links. I only have USA info...
Certified Avian Vets
https://abvp.com/animal-owners/find-an-abvp-specialist/
If none are near you...
Avian Veterinarians
http://www.aav.org/search/custom.asp?id=1803
In my opinion, any of the vets listed here should be better than a regular vet.

What's the diet? That's critical for health. Too many are kept on seeds or other poor-nutrition things. They need veggies, legumes, grains... pellets are a good staple. Here's what I use.
Harrison's Bird Foods
I feed Harrison's, supplemented by fresh healthy treats. My first, and later, my current avian vet recommended it. My bird loves the pellets now, but to get him converted, my avian vet suggested putting pellets out all day, and putting seeds (his old diet) out for two 15-minute periods a day. That would sustain him but leave him hungry enough to try new stuff. I presume the same technique could be used to get him to eat other healthy stuff, like fruits and vegetables! My guy was eating pellets in a couple of days, and now I can feed a good variety of other stuff, knowing he has the pellets as a basic. Pellets are out all day... fresh treats a few times a day. I also like Harrison's via mail because I never have to worry about out-of-date products.

I'll just drop a note about avoiding teflon pans, which, even when slightly overheated, are lethal to birds.

I'm glad you're here. Lots to learn and share and enjoy!

 

[Aratingettar]

Have you considered a Green Cheek Conure? Smart, friendly, cuddly, not _that_ loud.

 

[jousze]

The quietest parrot I've ever known was a female cockatiel. And what a cuddler.

Meanwhile, here are some readings I usually offer to new folks. I know you have previous experience, but just to cover some basics

I'm so sorry for your disappointment.

I like your style... reaching out, planning...

Okay, here we go.


Here's some reading on bonding for you.
http://www.parrotforums.com/general-parrot-information/49144-tips-bonding-building-trust.html
General Parrot Information - Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community
http://goodbirdinc.blogspot.com/2012...n-parrots.html


Most of us swear by our avian vets in the event of health concerns. I don't know where you are, but here are some links. I only have USA info...
Certified Avian Vets
https://abvp.com/animal-owners/find-an-abvp-specialist/
If none are near you...
Avian Veterinarians
http://www.aav.org/search/custom.asp?id=1803
In my opinion, any of the vets listed here should be better than a regular vet.

What's the diet? That's critical for health. Too many are kept on seeds or other poor-nutrition things. They need veggies, legumes, grains... pellets are a good staple. Here's what I use.
Harrison's Bird Foods
I feed Harrison's, supplemented by fresh healthy treats. My first, and later, my current avian vet recommended it. My bird loves the pellets now, but to get him converted, my avian vet suggested putting pellets out all day, and putting seeds (his old diet) out for two 15-minute periods a day. That would sustain him but leave him hungry enough to try new stuff. I presume the same technique could be used to get him to eat other healthy stuff, like fruits and vegetables! My guy was eating pellets in a couple of days, and now I can feed a good variety of other stuff, knowing he has the pellets as a basic. Pellets are out all day... fresh treats a few times a day. I also like Harrison's via mail because I never have to worry about out-of-date products.

I'll just drop a note about avoiding teflon pans, which, even when slightly overheated, are lethal to birds.

I'm glad you're here. Lots to learn and share and enjoy!

Thanks for that looong reply!!
I’ve had a 2 cockatiels, they were just irritating. They were out of their cage most of the time and they would scream the whole day (and in a really high volume). A lot of people told me they are not loud or noisy... but as far as I saw they were like cockatoos!!![emoji23]


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[jousze]

Have you considered a Green Cheek Conure? Smart, friendly, cuddly, not _that_ loud.

Yes I thought about it, and I’ll maybe give it a try. The only reason why I didn’t search some information is because the breeder who had the Senegal had also one of these. I handled her and she bit me like 10 times haha it actually annoyed me so I didn’t look anymore for information [emoji23]


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[noodles123]

Just know that when the "quietest" bird is annoying, anything else will be more annoying lol. YES--- birds are annoying, I said it. I love them, but dang...I was ready to strangle my dear cockatoo this morning (she was none the wiser lol)

 

[SilverSage]

You thought your cockatiels were too loud? Then really... you probably shouldn’t get a parrot. Maybe some finches or canaries instead.


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[WVBirdWhisperer]

Noise level varies by individual. A lot. I've even known loud Senegals - there was a pair that used to come in for grooming who could make quite a ruckus.

As said, avoid the big parrots - macaws, zons, toos. All loud.

I'd look for a breeder/shop/rescue with conures and other small/medium parrots, then visit regularly. Staff may be able to pinpoint an individual that is a bit quieter. A rescue could be best because they will have some idea of the birds adult personality and noise level.

The quietest birds I've known were a pionous and caique. Not all are as quiet but might be options depending on the individual.

My white fronted amazon is quiet and could do apartment life. But they aren't all so quiet and can be tough to find. They are also a smaller zon, comparable to a senegal.

Sorry that the baby bird didn't work out. I know thats disappointing.

But as folks have said, try not to rush. With the apartment concern and you saying that even the cockatiels were too loud, it's going to take just the right bird.

Good luck!

 

[Sunnyclover]

My little girl Paris is literally the most quiet being on this Earth. Even when her big brothers start up for a scream fest she remains cute and quiet. Paris is a GCC.

 

[jousze]

You thought your cockatiels were too loud? Then really... you probably shouldn’t get a parrot. Maybe some finches or canaries instead.


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I’ve got a lilac crowned and a moluccan. I didn’t say they were too loud but they were screeching the whole day. They were even more annoying that the cockatoo


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[Laurasea]

You seem easily annoyed. Have you consider how annoying cleaning the cage every day for the next 30 or more years will be? Or cleaning flung veggies off the wall after you spent 20 min cleaning and chopping the veggies. Or how annoying it is to have your birds poop on you favorite shirt, pants, couch, carpets, how annoying it is for those molted featheres to go all over the house, let alone how annoying it is to be wocken st the crack of dawn, as most parrots love to great the new day, for the next 30 or more years.....how annoying will it be if your significant other now or later decidesvthey hate/are afraid/or jealous of your parrot. Yes I laid it on thick, you've been annoyed by cockatiels, and bites from GCC, and I worry about your frustration level with keeping an intelligent demanding messy pet for the next three decade's.....

 

[EllenD]

I agree, if a Cockatiel was "too loud" and "annoying" and "screeched all day" for you, then I don't know what species of parrot would fit what you're looking for. I have a female Cockatiel and she is the quietest bird I've ever know, hardly a peep from her...My male Senegal on the other hand is not at all quiet, so I don't know where you got that idea from, lol. I love Kane to death, but he gets going into these squawking episodes all day long, every day. He's well-behaved and very intelligent, and even cuddly to a point, but quiet he is not!

All I can tell you for certain is #1) Don't ever get a Quaker Parrot, not ever!, and #2) You're best to adopt an adult bird instead of a baby, because you'll then be able to spend some time with them and at least see what their personality is like, what their volume level is, how talkative/noisy they are, etc. That's the only way you're going to be able to even get close to what you're looking for, because if you bring home a baby parrot of any species, you will have no way of knowing what it's going to be like. Either that, or you must change your expectations and accept whatever personality you end-up with in a baby bird.

 

[jousze]

You seem easily annoyed. Have you consider how annoying cleaning the cage every day for the next 30 or more years will be? Or cleaning flung veggies off the wall after you spent 20 min cleaning and chopping the veggies. Or how annoying it is to have your birds poop on you favorite shirt, pants, couch, carpets, how annoying it is for those molted featheres to go all over the house, let alone how annoying it is to be wocken st the crack of dawn, as most parrots love to great the new day, for the next 30 or more years.....how annoying will it be if your significant other now or later decidesvthey hate/are afraid/or jealous of your parrot. Yes I laid it on thick, you've been annoyed by cockatiels, and bites from GCC, and I worry about your frustration level with keeping an intelligent demanding messy pet for the next three decade's.....

Im not easily annoyed.
I’ve have had parrot since I was borned because my parents love them. I was just annoyed with the cockatiel because she would literally scream 22h a day. I had other parrots that didnt scream more than 20 min a day.
And about cleaning I don’t care, ive been doing it since I’m 12 so I’m used to it.


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[jousze]

I agree, if a Cockatiel was "too loud" and "annoying" and "screeched all day" for you, then I don't know what species of parrot would fit what you're looking for. I have a female Cockatiel and she is the quietest bird I've ever know, hardly a peep from her...My male Senegal on the other hand is not at all quiet, so I don't know where you got that idea from, lol. I love Kane to death, but he gets going into these squawking episodes all day long, every day. He's well-behaved and very intelligent, and even cuddly to a point, but quiet he is not!

All I can tell you for certain is #1) Don't ever get a Quaker Parrot, not ever!, and #2) You're best to adopt an adult bird instead of a baby, because you'll then be able to spend some time with them and at least see what their personality is like, what their volume level is, how talkative/noisy they are, etc. That's the only way you're going to be able to even get close to what you're looking for, because if you bring home a baby parrot of any species, you will have no way of knowing what it's going to be like. Either that, or you must change your expectations and accept whatever personality you end-up with in a baby bird.

Thanks Ellen.
I have the feeling everybody is mad at me because a cockatiel was annoying me [emoji27]. You really should have seen how Pucca (she was called like that) was. She would scream at the loudest she could for literally 22h a day. That’s why it was annoying. Even if she was with me she would be screaming. So I don’t care if an amazon for example shouts 2–3 times ( a lot louder than a cockatiel) cause I know that they will stop.
I think I just had a really annoying cockatiel, I liked her but she would NEVER be quiet.
And about getting an adult it’s a good idea, I’ll maybe do that!!


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[EllenD]

I agree, if a Cockatiel was "too loud" and "annoying" and "screeched all day" for you, then I don't know what species of parrot would fit what you're looking for. I have a female Cockatiel and she is the quietest bird I've ever know, hardly a peep from her...My male Senegal on the other hand is not at all quiet, so I don't know where you got that idea from, lol. I love Kane to death, but he gets going into these squawking episodes all day long, every day. He's well-behaved and very intelligent, and even cuddly to a point, but quiet he is not!

All I can tell you for certain is #1) Don't ever get a Quaker Parrot, not ever!, and #2) You're best to adopt an adult bird instead of a baby, because you'll then be able to spend some time with them and at least see what their personality is like, what their volume level is, how talkative/noisy they are, etc. That's the only way you're going to be able to even get close to what you're looking for, because if you bring home a baby parrot of any species, you will have no way of knowing what it's going to be like. Either that, or you must change your expectations and accept whatever personality you end-up with in a baby bird.

Thanks Ellen.
I have the feeling everybody is mad at me because a cockatiel was annoying me [emoji27]. You really should have seen how Pucca (she was called like that) was. She would scream at the loudest she could for literally 22h a day. That’s why it was annoying. Even if she was with me she would be screaming. So I don’t care if an amazon for example shouts 2—3 times ( a lot louder than a cockatiel) cause I know that they will stop.
I think I just had a really annoying cockatiel, I liked her but she would NEVER be quiet.
And about getting an adult it’s a good idea, I’ll maybe do that!!


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I don't think that anyone here is "mad" at you because of your feelings on Cockatiels, I think that we're simply confused because in-general, Cockatiels are not AT ALL noisy, nor do they typically scream at all, let alone all day long. In fact, if you had not mentioned anything about Cockatiels in your initial post but had kept everything else the same and listed the same wants/needs for a bird, the very first species of parrot that I would have suggested for you (and that others actually did) would have been a Cockatiel, specifically a female Cockatiel! I grew-up in a house where both my grandmother and my mother bred many different species of parrots, but the main ones were Budgies and Cockatiels. So at any given time we had dozens of Cockatiels in our home, including breeders, babies, and pets. And then I started breeding birds at the age of 16, and I started-off with some breeding pairs of my mom's that included American and English Budgies, and Cockatiels. And I can honestly tell you that just as the other members have mentioned above, the Cockatiels were always BY FAR the quietest species of parrot all-around.

So what I'm trying to say here is that based on my long experience with Cockatiels (both sexes and all ages) and also on the experience of many other members, I don't think you should rule-out getting another Cockatiel based on your experience the female you had, as it sounds like something else was going on with her. I think that's something that you really need to consider, that for whatever reason or cause, something was causing that Cockatiel to act completely out of character. It certainly could have been caused by (and often is) an undiagnosed congenital condition/illness/disease, but quite honestly, in my experience as a breeder, it very much sounds like your prior Cockatiel was actually suffering from a neurological/behavioral issue that stemmed from the way she was weaned by her breeder. There's no way to verify this of course, but I'd bet the house that this was at least part of the cause. The constant and unrelenting "screaming", noise, etc. fits a bird who was improperly weaned, most likely force-weaned. Either way, no matter the cause, that particular bird's behavior doesn't fit that of a Cockatiel. So try to keep an open mind. It would be different had you owned multiple Cockatiels and every single one of them behaved the same way, but that isn't the case, and it's not the norm...Just something to think about.

***Adopting and adult bird who you can first spend periods of time with is always the best idea whenever someone has behavior/personality expectations for whatever bird they bring home, because you'll be able to observe the bird over time and get a really good feel for what the bird is like. And when I say an "adult" bird, just make sure that the bird is old enough that they've already gone through puberty, as often their personalities/behaviors change after their hormones kick-in. Most Avian Rescues allow you to come and stay with the birds for hours at a time, and you're usually more than welcome to come whenever you want to during their visitor-hours, every day of the week if you want to. That's the best way, really the only way to be able to find a bird that is going to meet your expectations, and even with an adult bird you still need to keep in-mind that their behavior will still most-likely change once they are in a new environment with new people, new schedule, routines, etc.

 

[jousze]

I agree, if a Cockatiel was "too loud" and "annoying" and "screeched all day" for you, then I don't know what species of parrot would fit what you're looking for. I have a female Cockatiel and she is the quietest bird I've ever know, hardly a peep from her...My male Senegal on the other hand is not at all quiet, so I don't know where you got that idea from, lol. I love Kane to death, but he gets going into these squawking episodes all day long, every day. He's well-behaved and very intelligent, and even cuddly to a point, but quiet he is not!



All I can tell you for certain is #1) Don't ever get a Quaker Parrot, not ever!, and #2) You're best to adopt an adult bird instead of a baby, because you'll then be able to spend some time with them and at least see what their personality is like, what their volume level is, how talkative/noisy they are, etc. That's the only way you're going to be able to even get close to what you're looking for, because if you bring home a baby parrot of any species, you will have no way of knowing what it's going to be like. Either that, or you must change your expectations and accept whatever personality you end-up with in a baby bird.

Thanks Ellen.

I have the feeling everybody is mad at me because a cockatiel was annoying me [emoji27]. You really should have seen how Pucca (she was called like that) was. She would scream at the loudest she could for literally 22h a day. That’s why it was annoying. Even if she was with me she would be screaming. So I don’t care if an amazon for example shouts 2—3 times ( a lot louder than a cockatiel) cause I know that they will stop.

I think I just had a really annoying cockatiel, I liked her but she would NEVER be quiet.

And about getting an adult it’s a good idea, I’ll maybe do that!!





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I don't think that anyone here is "mad" at you because of your feelings on Cockatiels, I think that we're simply confused because in-general, Cockatiels are not AT ALL noisy, nor do they typically scream at all, let alone all day long. In fact, if you had not mentioned anything about Cockatiels in your initial post but had kept everything else the same and listed the same wants/needs for a bird, the very first species of parrot that I would have suggested for you (and that others actually did) would have been a Cockatiel, specifically a female Cockatiel! I grew-up in a house where both my grandmother and my mother bred many different species of parrots, but the main ones were Budgies and Cockatiels. So at any given time we had dozens of Cockatiels in our home, including breeders, babies, and pets. And then I started breeding birds at the age of 16, and I started-off with some breeding pairs of my mom's that included American and English Budgies, and Cockatiels. And I can honestly tell you that just as the other members have mentioned above, the Cockatiels were always BY FAR the quietest species of parrot all-around.



So what I'm trying to say here is that based on my long experience with Cockatiels (both sexes and all ages) and also on the experience of many other members, I don't think you should rule-out getting another Cockatiel based on your experience the female you had, as it sounds like something else was going on with her. I think that's something that you really need to consider, that for whatever reason or cause, something was causing that Cockatiel to act completely out of character. It certainly could have been caused by (and often is) an undiagnosed congenital condition/illness/disease, but quite honestly, in my experience as a breeder, it very much sounds like your prior Cockatiel was actually suffering from a neurological/behavioral issue that stemmed from the way she was weaned by her breeder. There's no way to verify this of course, but I'd bet the house that this was at least part of the cause. The constant and unrelenting "screaming", noise, etc. fits a bird who was improperly weaned, most likely force-weaned. Either way, no matter the cause, that particular bird's behavior doesn't fit that of a Cockatiel. So try to keep an open mind. It would be different had you owned multiple Cockatiels and every single one of them behaved the same way, but that isn't the case, and it's not the norm...Just something to think about.



***Adopting and adult bird who you can first spend periods of time with is always the best idea whenever someone has behavior/personality expectations for whatever bird they bring home, because you'll be able to observe the bird over time and get a really good feel for what the bird is like. And when I say an "adult" bird, just make sure that the bird is old enough that they've already gone through puberty, as often their personalities/behaviors change after their hormones kick-in. Most Avian Rescues allow you to come and stay with the birds for hours at a time, and you're usually more than welcome to come whenever you want to during their visitor-hours, every day of the week if you want to. That's the best way, really the only way to be able to find a bird that is going to meet your expectations, and even with an adult bird you still need to keep in-mind that their behavior will still most-likely change once they are in a new environment with new people, new schedule, routines, etc.

Thanks so much Ellen! Me too I think that my cockatiel has something wrong but well :/
Yes I think I will search an avian rescue and go and look what I can find. I hope there are some in Belgium [emoji23]


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