Dashiki (Venus) Has Defeated Lupron????

I swear this girl has super power hormones! Venus received a Lupron shot on Friday March 7th and she is still having hormone issues. This week she has been very aggressive and has tried to attack Buzz through the cage bars three times. She's fluffed up, beak open looking like a red devil and tries to attack me because I'm interfering in her plan to get Buzz. Buzz doesn't understand what is going on.

Today she assumed the "do me" position, then burrowed herself between my side and the chair, puts her tush up and looks at me. I ignored her and she gave up. She gets down, makes a b-line to Buzz's cage and proceeds to start a new attack. She has been extra mean today, scary mean so much she tried to run up the perch I had her step up on when saving Buzz and she tried to attack me. Friday she goes to the vet for her follow up so it'll be interesting to hear what he says.


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Well, that just about brings me upto speed on Venus! I've not been on the forum for a while and was wondering how she was getting on 'hormone-wise'. I've still got all of this to look forward to with my Bella... so I do like reading about your experiences to prepare me for what's to come! Keep us updated

Oh sorry to hear this, had such high hopes this was going to be the answer. Keep us updated what the AV has to say please. Be careful of those bites!

In following this from afar, the passage of time, the great efforts on your part, and that of the CAV, it leaves me to ponder what's going on. Yes, physical /chemical issues as part of the body are possible and therefore the use of medication(s), possibly surgery. But, as you have likely also pondered what would this looking like, result in, in her natural setting? Is there anything in the natural setting that would benefit her in being Hormonal to such a level?

A single Parrot, from time to time, i.e. a rare event, okay a missed step of natural selection. But, its not that rare! There is a reason that medications and other procedures are available, there is a need.

So, it is either something that as 'Companion Parrot' results in a certain percentage of the Population to be chemically over driven -or- its a natural percentage of the overall population? If natural, possibly a driver that reacts to low numbers of the species, hence chemically forcing the need to increase the population?

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You really need to ask your vet about a deslorelin implant, designed for excessively hormonal egg laying females. It's like a slow release version of Lipton that lasts 6 months-1year. You may be a prime candidate.

This is kinda following on from Chris's post, we hear of dietary complications in humans and wonder if this has any bearing in our birds?

Birds focus on daylight, warmth and abundance of food to start their breeding season so what would happen if you put her on a strictish diet? Talking weighed food, not starvation but enough which is different to abundance right? Little or few treats to try and trick her brain that perhaps the time isn't right to be able to raise some young?

https://frombeakstobarks.me/2013/04/28/reducing-hormonal-behaviors-in-parrots/

Great idea, K.

Also, shifting Venus to a natural day's light schedule. Gail is using this with her rooster RickeyBird, to limit his 'increased' aggression to only a couple of months. Using this approach has the Parrot connected into the same day light hours as the birds outside our homes are on! This naturally places them on a year calendar with regards to the amount of Sun light and sleep! The hope is that the Hormonal Event would than cycle naturally! PM Gail to get more information.

The combination of both could set Venus of a more natural schedule of diet and Sun light!

We have move our DYH Amazon to a natural day sleep schedule and if he wants to head-off to sleep early, he can. He has been more of a joy to be around over the last six months.

SailBoat said:

In following this from afar, the passage of time, the great efforts on your part, and that of the CAV, it leaves me to ponder what's going on. Yes, physical /chemical issues as part of the body are possible and therefore the use of medication(s), possibly surgery. But, as you have likely also pondered what would this looking like, result in, in her natural setting? Is there anything in the natural setting that would benefit her in being Hormonal to such a level?

A single Parrot, from time to time, i.e. a rare event, okay a missed step of natural selection. But, its not that rare! There is a reason that medications and other procedures are available, there is a need.

So, it is either something that as 'Companion Parrot' results in a certain percentage of the Population to be chemically over driven -or- its a natural percentage of the overall population? If natural, possibly a driver that reacts to low numbers of the species, hence chemically forcing the need to increase the population?

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This whole thread is so interesting.
Missed step in natural selection or useful genetic variant for evolution, right?
The Rickeybird falls in this category of questions, too, I think.
Fascinating!

Interesting indeed..What I have always read about Venus,she was always a sweetheart..poor baby...she is probably wondering whats going on with herself too



Jim

Wow, Trace. Venus has a powerful drive, huh? That's one determined girl.

Let me ask, though, did the doctor indicate how long it might take the lupron to have a discernible effect? Is it cumulative? Does it slowly rein in the hormonal levels? Or should the effect have been more or less instantaneous? I only wonder if perhaps the process is still ongoing.

In my own personal experience with Depot Provera and with Lupron, it does take a cycle for it to completely stop things. Lupron is essentially chemical castration, as it stops production of all sex hormones and ovulation completely. But it depends on when during her cycle the shot was given as to when everything will shut down, and more importantly how long it will take for all of the already circulating hormones to be metabolized. So while she isn't making any new hormones right now, she will still have some to get out of her system.

I had a complete hysterectomy with both ovaries and fallopian tubes removed as well when I was 32. I had it done on October 31st (yes, Halloween hysterectomy). I was advised that some women get lucky as their Adrenal Glands as well as other glands sometimes start producing sex hormones after the ovaries are removed or stop producing hormones themselves (something else to consider, though rare). So by January I still had not had any menopausal symptoms at all, and I'm thinking that I'm one of the few lucky women who don't feel the menopausal stuff. Yeah, that was great until the end of January when all of a sudden it felt like I was on fire from the inside, and that night I woke up so drenched that it literally looked like I had jumped in a pool with my clothes on. So it took almost 3 months for all of the already circulating estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone in my body to be metabolized and I had no menopausal symptoms until that happened, even though both of my ovaries were completely surgically removed.

It hasn't been long at all since your bird got the Lupron shot, and my guess is that it will work fine once all of the already circulating hormones are out of her system. I don't think you can "beat" Lupron, they're actually using is in some places as a chemical castration punishment for sex offenders...It stops EVERYTHING, so it will work, trust me. I called it "The Devil's Drug", lol...Damn 3 month shot, I don't miss that at all!

"Dance like nobody's watching..."

There was an interesting thread on FB this week about an egg bound ekkie and discussion of lupron as well as cutting the tube/sac? that carries/forms the egg? May have this a bit wrong in terms of wording but was one of the few sensible threads on FB that was an actual discussion and not random opinion.

Chronic Egg-laying What You Can Do | Harrison's Bird Foods

Came across this information in particular the Releaves and Light Therapy and wondered if it is any good with Venus?