Trusting and training my little biter

mysteryfoxes

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Basil - Turquoise Green Cheek Conure :)
Basil is definitely a curious (and firm) biter. I have been teaching him step up (he wasn't taught at the breeders, unfortunately.) It was challenging at first, but he's progressed really well in the past few sessions! :)

My question is what is your best way of deterring nippiness? He isn't quite 100% with Step Up yet, so asking him to do that doesn't knock him out of his 'zone' haha.

I've heard several ways (applying light pressure to the beak and saying, "No bite," blowing slightly on their face, jiggling my hand to upset his balance, etc)

I've tried these all, and while they seem to work, I wanted to know what you all thought or what ways you have tried that worked! :)

Also, just to note, he and I have been using clicker training to gain trust. He definitely is more comfortable around me, and even comes to the front of the cage when I'm around. :p I'm so happy I've finally got him. haha


Obligatory, "I'm about to eat your camera case" picture. ;)

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Avoidance.

Birds love to bond, and will not do what deprives them of their flock.

My Rusty was a horrible biter, but - and this took a couple years and it's still a process in the making - whenever he gets too bitey or hyper, he's either left alone or put back in his cage. I'm at fault because I adored his beaking when he was 4 months old, and never trained him to not beak beyond a certain pressure point. But he's gotten better, and he'll cuddle next to my hands...

When he got put back, he started to see a correlation - biting was bad.

Zoe, a senegal parrot I had for 10 years, started out as a nipper as well - after a year, the biting ceased.

If you have one, use a time-out cage instead (and don't use for more than 10 minutes.) Putting a bird back into its big fun toy-filled cage might send the wrong message by mistake: 'Bite the human and have fun in more ways than one!'

Applying positive reinforcement for things the birds do right helps; they're more inclined to do what you reward them. (So when the bird bites, take NO dramatic action, not even pulling your finger away, or yelling. The drama of these actions is seen as a reward by the bird.)

I love the photo, BTW - Basil looks so innocent...
 
I personally like the "blowing" technique, it works every time. I've read about applying pressure on the beak but I am against anything that would hurt them the slightest little bit.
 
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Thanks for advice! :) I'll give those a try.

I'm getting very frustrated. :(
 
My two young greencheeks are at the teenage biter stage and it is almost impossible to ingore as some have advised in the past. the flip unbalance works so times. But I am going to try the blowing method when they come out tonight !!
 
Don't give up. Have lots of patience and take your baby out every day. I've had my approximately 1 1/2yr old GCC Trixie for 8 months and I can definitely say that GCC have a short fuse, lol. It's so adorable, though. She's easily offended and will bite on purpose if her anger is provoked. What's helped me is paying attention to her body language and having toys to distract her if she does become provoked. If she fluffs up during our interactions, I back down and stop trying to touch her. Instead, she's allowed to hop and explore while I sit beside her. In the mornings, she's less tolerable of handling and more apt to bite, therefore I take her out in the afternoons when her energy level is not at its peak. She's extremely cuddly after the sun goes down. Trixie loves her head and her beak gently massaged and even enjoys light kisses on her wings. She will hop on my shoulder and give me kisses on my cheeks and talk in her gravely voice. Of course, I've taken her out of the cage every day for the last 8 months (unless I was ill) and she spends a good 2 hours out of the cage. If I'm off work, she's out even longer. Trixie may be a boy. She hasn't laid any eggs and she's quite the talker.
I'm going to try that "blow on the bird" technique and see how it works. Green Cheeks are wonderful fun. Your baby is beautiful, by the way!
 
This started August of 2012. It was something like June or July that I gave my number to someone, and it was at the end of July that I went to go see the bird, so the message below I created August 1st of last year.

I guess this is where we'll have to agree to disagree! I know that with clicker training (and no, a clicker is *NOT* required! It just helps to bridge the gap between a *good* behavior and the *reward* from the human), it's possible to teach a bird not to bite, not to scream and to become more socialized. Clicker training is based on the foundations of Positive Reinforcement Training.

A month or so ago, a customer where I work asked me if I wanted another bird. She knew someone who had a green cheek parrot of some sort that she was needing to rehome. I would love another bird, but at the same time, I do not feel financially ready for one, but I gave the customer my information to pass it along.

Last Thursday, said owner of the bird called me and asked me if I wanted the bird. Her and I discussed a few different options and I told her I'd come over when she has an available time.

Last night (Tuesday), I went over to see this green cheek conure of hers. Now, here's Winston's story. Winston is about 3 years old, and he was shipped to a local pet-store, sick. The owners daughter worked there and spent 3 or more months getting Winston back into good health. Then, mothers day came around, and the daughter bought Winston for her mother. Typical story, bird loves daughter, hates mother. Daughter goes off to college, mom is stuck with a bird she cannot handle!

When trying to handle Winston, she gets bit! Take her out of the cage, bite before coming out, and if she manages to come out, bite on the way out. Bite when up on the shoulder, random bites when handling her. The last straw came when Winston bit her owner's lip, and ever since then, she has had *NO* trust in Winston.


So okay, I go over, I listen to her, put my hand up against the cage and ya, Winston is interested! Nibbling hard, but not quite biting with force. I watch as the owner tries to get Winston out of her cage. Winston wont come out, but she'll do anything for a sunflower seed! So... I start feeding Winston sunflower seeds and she takes them from me - with some hesitation. Then got her used to taking the sunflower seeds off the back of my hand (skin semi-tight). Eventually, I had my left hand in a "half" fist (fingers curled at the first digit away from the knuckles) and I was placing the sunflower seed near my wrist. Placed in such a manner, she'd have to put at least one foot onto my hand in order to reach the seed. Place a little further back, there's two feet on my hand and she's out of the cage!


I sat there with Winston, feeding her seeds, occasionally getting her to switch hands and she was not biting! Not evening nibbling! Every once in a while she made to fly off, but being unable to fly, didn't actually try. She just leaned and opened her wings a little. As I was talking to the owner, I was telling her how simple it would be to train her, and kind of demonstrated by using a sunflower seed to turn Winston around in a circle - and treat! Did this a few times to show them her willingness.


Winston's owner also told me how difficult it is to remove Winston from her shoulder. When she's up there and they want her down, she avoids them, bites them and they have to chase her around. I willingly, to an unknown and strange bird, allowed her, Winston, to climb up to my shoulder. I then used the sunflower seeds to get her to step up *WILLINGLY* back to my hand. The bird only listened to the daughter - no one else could handle her.

After a bit, I even had Winston step up onto her owners hand and she hung out there for a few moments, but I didn't leave Winston there for long as I know the owner is still afraid of getting bitten, and we didn't want Winston traveling up to her shoulder.

Now, Winston did end up biting me, and biting me *REAL* good! But this was due to the fact that she has a leg band that is too big for her and she managed to get one toe stuck inside of it. I didn't hold her in a grip that would have prevented her from biting period, but then her bites really don't hurt compared to bites I've received from other parrots! Managed to move the band back up her leg and after that she wasn't too happy with me, but it was the first time she was allowed out of her cage in who knows how long!



Although I did not use a clicker, clicker training is essentially the same concept... and it can be used to teach parrots to play with toys, teach them that going to other people is a *good* thing, and it's also a great, and fun way for owner and bird to bond! The bird learns that good behaviors get rewarded and the owner learns how to better communicate with the bird, thus learning to avoid getting bitten in the first place!



When I left, Winston's owner was so appreciative of the fact that I had come over. She is not a person to give up on an animal, but she ended up with a bird she had no clue how to handle. (she's owned several cockatiels in the past!) She views pets as having them for life! So she felt pretty bad about the thought of having to give up Winston, even though she can't handle her... and today, she's excited to start training Winston!


Last month (January), I asked for an update on Winston. This is the reply I received.


Winston is my favorite topic these days. Since I have graduated and am spending a considerably greater amount of time home, she seems to be happier. Also, while i have encountered two intense bites due to her sudden fright while out, she seems more amenable to being out and in turn is much quieter - as I suspected she would be since she is getting time out of the cage every day. I am now working as a nurse - yay - therefore I will be out of town 3 days a week and she will spend time with my husband and nephew, Tim. Tim has developed a trusting relationship with her so she lets him take her out also. In all, she is out of her home usually every day. As soon as I have my first paycheck we are taking her to the vet to have her nails and beak trimmed, as well as having that silly ring taken off her leg and having her first physical in two years. I am excited about having more time with her and am hopeful she continues to be nicer. Although as spring approaches I wonder if she will be just as cranky as she has been every spring.

Once I settle into my new job and have a set schedule I figure I could attend the local bird meeting - the one you spoke of in one of your emails. I just need the details of where and when!

I am so grateful for your concern and information and support. Winston has not made it easy that is for certain. My desire to keep her has increased considering how she has recently calmed down and I have been able to regularly take her out without fear of being bit. I never took anything she did personally it was just that I really dislike being bit, and she is quite good at that task.

My goal continues to be learning more about training her so I can accomplish general care tasks such as clipping nails and such, and so she can be safe while out since I am not clipping her wings. Eventually I hope to have her out most of the time while we are awake so she can obediently sit on a perch or play yard, without fear of the cats getting to her. We shall see.
 

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