Writing a report....

[ConureCrazy]

...on cat, dog, and parrot mills. It is going to be a persuasive essay on animal rights, and I thought this would be a good and interesting argument. Anyways, I would really appreciate if you guys can shed some light on this topic. This is why I'm against chain pet stores, etc., but what goes on in an animal mill? Any information on this... I'm doing thorough research and IMO I find some stuff down right horrifying. I ended up crying last night at some stuff I saw. Maybe they all aren't like that (are they?) but some pictures are just....

If you guys know anything, thank you!

 

[Birdlover11]

I did a personal narrative on why you should adopt from a shelter , I did a paragraph in mills and thats how most petshops get they're animals . It was pretty long. I was horrifyed too when i was looking for a picture for my cover page , it drove me to tears. I decided not to one.Most of mills are like that, they are kept in horrible environments. They are sometimes emotionally unstable so the animals could sometimes be hard to train. In mills they are not in separate cages so they breed even when the owner of the mill did want them to. Most mills are hidden so they are hard for police to find . When a animal isn't sold it is either killed or sold for a cheap price. When they kill an animal it is not done humanly, they do shooting, drowning, throw it into a fire, or dump it outside in the rain .

 

[ConureCrazy]

I have heard that mills are hidden. It's just.., Illegal!!! I can't believe that people would even do that and not feel anything. Just drown a litter (?) of cats and think it was because you didn't get money off of them. Some people these days. Heartless.....

 

[Birdlover11]

The world is a unforgiving place. If you go on ASPCA website they have a bunch of videos and articles on mills . I was looking for my narrative so I could give you some info from my article but I just rememberd that I gave it to my uncle so he could frame it.Many animals need regent medicle care, this is a surprise to many people who buy iy and then the next week they found out it needs surgery

 

[ConureCrazy]

The world is a unforgiving place. If you go on ASPCA website they have a bunch of videos and articles on mills . I was looking for my narrative so I could give you some info from my article but I just rememberd that I gave it to my uncle so he could frame it.Many animals need regent medicle care, this is a surprise to many people who buy iy and then the next week they found out it needs surgery

Went on their website! Thank you! ASPCA | Puppy Mills

I think I may donate something.

 

[mtdoramike]

...on cat, dog, and parrot mills. It is going to be a persuasive essay on animal rights, and I thought this would be a good and interesting argument. Anyways, I would really appreciate if you guys can shed some light on this topic. This is why I'm against chain pet stores, etc., but what goes on in an animal mill? Any information on this... I'm doing thorough research and IMO I find some stuff down right horrifying. I ended up crying last night at some stuff I saw. Maybe they all aren't like that (are they?) but some pictures are just....

If you guys know anything, thank you!

Animals do not have right under the law. They are classified as property. I don't ever see this changing no matter how much is written about it. Unless everyone becomes a vegitarian I see this issue not changing. As for me, I like a nice steak or baked chicken, so no vegitarian here.

Now to me, they have more rules and regulations regarding the care and conditions of cows, chickens and hogs than they do for breeders or pet shops. But that is due to the USDA and more for food regulations.

 

[ConureCrazy]

...on cat, dog, and parrot mills. It is going to be a persuasive essay on animal rights, and I thought this would be a good and interesting argument. Anyways, I would really appreciate if you guys can shed some light on this topic. This is why I'm against chain pet stores, etc., but what goes on in an animal mill? Any information on this... I'm doing thorough research and IMO I find some stuff down right horrifying. I ended up crying last night at some stuff I saw. Maybe they all aren't like that (are they?) but some pictures are just....

If you guys know anything, thank you!

Animals do not have right under the law. They are classified as property. I don't ever see this changing no matter how much is written about it. Unless everyone becomes a vegitarian I see this issue not changing. As for me, I like a nice steak or baked chicken, so no vegitarian here.

Now to me, they have more rules and regulations regarding the care and conditions of cows, chickens and hogs than they do for breeders or pet shops. But that is due to the USDA and more for food regulations.

I'm slowly becoming vegetarian... I'm just eating turkey as of now. Going to kick that off soon.

I don't see that law changing either. It's been that way for a while.... Apparently, pet mills must be OK'd with the USDA (?) to sell animals to a petstore. Or, else it's illegal. There are so many illegal ones... More than the okay ones, I believe.

 

[Birdlover11]

You know, Theyres a chance petco or petsmart get they're animals from mills. Not the cats or dogs but the small animals,reptiles and birds.

 

[ConureCrazy]

You know, Theyres a chance petco or petsmart get they're animals from mills. Not the cats or dogs but the small animals,reptiles and birds.

Oh, I'm sure they do. (Or so I think) They just buy them from legal mills, the ones checked in with the USDA. It's still bad, but not illegal.

 

[Birdlover11]

I've seen videos on u tube about ASPCA investigating it and it's horrible, the way the catch finches , and how they toss rats into one place for pet stores while the others get killed for reptile food

 

[ConureCrazy]

I've seen videos on u tube about ASPCA investigating it and it's horrible, the way the catch finches , and how they toss rats into one place for pet stores while the others get killed for reptile food

What people will do for money! I also cry at animal hoarding, but I understand that this can be an illness, unlike mills where people are doing it for a buck....

 

[Rana]

I think it's great that you're doing this! eventhough i don't doubt it's hard to be confronted with some hard facts...
Puppy mills and infact any kind of animal mills are a terrible terrible thing, but - call me bias - i feel parrots and other birds are still a much more overlooked species than dogs or cats in this regard.

 

[henpecked]

It's great you are doing a paper on something that you are interested in. I would caution using one source or a source that has a reason for bias reporting:ie, SPCA fund raising efforts. When your comment after viewing the site is"i think i'll donate" a red flag should go off, that was the purpose of their information. It is a fund raising vehicle put together by a high paid advertising firm. I'd use sources that don't have an alternate/hidden agenda. Or at least visit a commercial breeding operation and get the "whole"story. There are bad cops, bad teachers, bad politicians, bad breeders, but does that mean that they all are bad? Are all commercial operations a mill? Maybe defining "Mill" would help clarify what your paper is about, and your objectivity. Just my .02 worth, as i become older and hopefully wiser, i realize just how much garbage is passed off as gospel. I try and keep an open mind , or at least expose myself to many different sources of info.

 

[ConureCrazy]

I think it's great that you're doing this! eventhough i don't doubt it's hard to be confronted with some hard facts...
Puppy mills and infact any kind of animal mills are a terrible terrible thing, but - call me bias - i feel parrots and other birds are still a much more overlooked species than dogs or cats in this regard.

I know... Puppy and cat mills there are TONS of information on. Bird/parrot mills I'm lucky for them to be mentioned. Stop puppy mills, stop cat mills..... I LOVE cats (have one) and dogs, just they often overlook non furry animals....

 

[BirdSquawk]

I would recommend reading Of Parrots and People by Mira Tweety (i think), it's loaded with info and facts.

 

[ConureCrazy]

It's great you are doing a paper on something that you are interested in. I would caution using one source or a source that has a reason for bias reporting:ie, SPCA fund raising efforts. When your comment after viewing the site is"i think i'll donate" a red flag should go off, that was the purpose of their information. It is a fund raising vehicle put together by a high paid advertising firm. I'd use sources that don't have an alternate/hidden agenda. Or at least visit a commercial breeding operation and get the "whole"story. There are bad cops, bad teachers, bad politicians, bad breeders, but does that mean that they all are bad? Are all commercial operations a mill? Maybe defining "Mill" would help clarify what your paper is about, and your objectivity. Just my .02 worth, as i become older and hopefully wiser, i realize just how much garbage is passed off as gospel. I try and keep an open mind , or at least expose myself to many different sources of info.

I am attempting to use more than one resource. I'll be talking to vets to just answer some of my questions and such, about health in puppy mills, diseases, etc. I've been watching 'Animal Cop' type shows as well. Maybe I can talk to an animal shelter? Is that a good ... I feel too sad looking at the ASPCA mills and ads. 'Save them from the bitter cold streets.They need you.' I just want to donate all my money to them lol....

 

[Abigal7]

...on cat, dog, and parrot mills. It is going to be a persuasive essay on animal rights, and I thought this would be a good and interesting argument. Anyways, I would really appreciate if you guys can shed some light on this topic. This is why I'm against chain pet stores, etc., but what goes on in an animal mill? Any information on this... I'm doing thorough research and IMO I find some stuff down right horrifying. I ended up crying last night at some stuff I saw. Maybe they all aren't like that (are they?) but some pictures are just....

If you guys know anything, thank you!

Animals do not have right under the law. They are classified as property. I don't ever see this changing no matter how much is written about it. Unless everyone becomes a vegitarian I see this issue not changing. As for me, I like a nice steak or baked chicken, so no vegitarian here.

Now to me, they have more rules and regulations regarding the care and conditions of cows, chickens and hogs than they do for breeders or pet shops. But that is due to the USDA and more for food regulations.

I think at the end of the day animals can be treated respectfully vegitarian or not. Who wants to consume chickens or chicken eggs if chickens are stuffed in a tight space and not allowed to walk on grass? Who doesn't want to an animal to be killed quickly and humanely. If you look at old hunter society like in naitive American culture they took the idea of appreciating a animal's sacrifice so they could live seriously. And doesn't it show strange behaviour if people like to hurt of abuse animals that we as a society claim as pets? I am not a Petta member so I do not agree with them. I grew up on a small farm where cattle roamed in pastors, chicken hens walked around the yard and went back to the chicken coup to roost at night. Or chickens that were designed to be eaten were in a big pen, walked on grass and even have a couple of dog houses, and tarped cover area where they could have shade (not to mention fresh water and food). Cows and chickens would not survive the wild and hogs would be a disaster to the ecosystem (some might have heard of the phrase and show the pig bomb).

 

[faeryphoebe1]

Have you seen the documentary, "Earthlings"? Joaquin Phoenix narrates this. It's on YouTube. Just prepare yourself. It is very raw and shocking. I cried for days. Literally. It touches on everything from the meat industry to puppy mills. I am a former vegetarian. I became very ill last year (not from being vegetarian) and my physician has instructed me to re-introduce meat into my diet. When my health improves, I do plan on going back to being a veggie.

 

[Featheredsamurai]

I found a few articles for you about parrot mills, there are a ton of them if you search on google.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-bird-rescue-20110814,0,2417976.story

The Problem with Bird Mills | Parrot Parrot

Bird Mills

I never knew this, it's really sad

Unfortunately, the Animal Welfare Act doesn't cover birds. So, unlike puppy mills, the USDA has no authority over bird mills. But there are still a few actions you can take against bird mills:
* Never buy a mass-marketed bird from a chain pet store! These companies will not stop mass-producing and selling birds until it is no longer profitable to do so.
* Encourage pet stores to provide the same adoption services for parrots that they do for dogs and cats instead of selling birds in their stores.
* If you see a bird being neglected or abused, report it to your local humane organization or animal control agency; or contact the local law enforcement office or nearest humane agency.

 

[Featheredsamurai]

You know, Theyres a chance petco or petsmart get they're animals from mills. Not the cats or dogs but the small animals,reptiles and birds.

Oh, I'm sure they do. (Or so I think) They just buy them from legal mills, the ones checked in with the USDA. It's still bad, but not illegal.

Most of the reptiles from petco and petsmart are wild caught animals. Any reptile, unless it says captive bred, is a wild caught animal. The ball pythons are captive hatched. Captive hatched means they find eggs/gravid females and once the hatchlings come out of the egg they ship them from Africa to all over the world. The ball python industry is huge, they will ship thousands of babies all over to breeders only looking for the next big gene. The Jackson's chameleons, tortoises, water dragons, anoles and long tailed lizards are all wild caught, and many other reptiles excluding corn snakes, leopard geckos, and "fancy"/ball python morphs, and king snakes who are always captive breed.

I'm unsure of what type of conditions the small animals and birds come from, all I can say is the suppliers have improved a lot after being busted a few years back.